What's an H worth?

[RufusTheDufus]

My Troopy arrived today. It's got a H (not 2H) with a 4 speed. I haven't put a compression tester on it yet but it fires up almost instantly with minimal smoke. I bet the smoke will go away after a diesel purge treatment.

I'm really not interested in keeping the H in the truck. I'd like to sell it but have no idea what these things are worth. I did a quick search here but it's hard to separate topics about the H and 2H with the way the search terms work.

Anyone have any idea? From what I've read these engines are getting harder and harder to find which is part of the reason I'd like to sell it.

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by RufusTheDufus

My Troopy arrived today. It's got a H (not 2H) with a 4 speed. I haven't put a compression tester on it yet but it fires up almost instantly with minimal smoke. I bet the smoke will go away after a diesel purge treatment.

I'm really not interested in keeping the H in the truck. I'd like to sell it but have no idea what these things are worth. I did a quick search here but it's hard to separate topics about the H and 2H with the way the search terms work.

Anyone have any idea? From what I've read these engines are getting harder and harder to find which is part of the reason I'd like to sell it.

If it has good compression I would ask around $2k for a complete turn key engine ,fan to flywheel,inc pump.
If you test the compression and display the figures it will move much faster

[RufusTheDufus]

Originally Posted by roscoFJ73

If you test the compression and display the figures it will move much faster

I plan to. I'm going to record the tests on video too.

I'd hopefully end up selling the engine, tranny and Tcase.

[crushers]

curious, what do you plan on replacing it with?

[RufusTheDufus]

Most likely a 13b-t w/5 speed.

[canucksafari]

Glad to hear your rig arrived. Why not put in a 1HDT or a 1HZ with an aftermarket turbo if you are going to go to all that work?

[RufusTheDufus]

Cost. Those engines are a bunch more money. I'd like to stick with B series 4 bangers in my two cruisers if I can. I have 2 3Bs already but I'm getting close to buying a 13b-t. I just need to go through the Troopy a little more before to see what's wrong with it before I commit to an engine.

[crushers]

simple answer, i like that...

[Tapage]

Originally Posted by RufusTheDufus

Most likely a 13b-t w/5 speed.

Nice .. I thought the badas would be the 12H-T but you choose an excelent combo ..

[RufusTheDufus]

I shot a video of the Troopy while running some Diesel Purge through it. If you're curious: YouTube - 1980 HJ45 Troopy is here

[joshoisasleep]

Here's a question... why go to the effort of importing a diesel cruiser into the US if you're just going to do a full engine/tranny swap anyway?? From what I've read b's and h's don't share any engine mounts or anything... and aren't you also swapping from 24V to 12V now? As far as I've noticed around the americas at least, diesels are generally harder to come by, so I'd be curious about why you've gone the route you have?

[RufusTheDufus]

45s of any type, diesel or gassers aren't easy to come by. It's true that Bs and Hs don't share anything. I can fab the engine mounts and do all of the work myself for the conversion.

I want a turbo B series diesel for fuel efficiency. A properly driven 3B can get close to 30 MPG. The H series doesn't come close to that. Before I got started on Cruisers I looked around to buy a new 4WD truck or SUV that gets 30 MPG. They don't exist in the U.S. market.

BTW, the diesels from AU/NZ are 12v. No electrical conversion necessary.

I'm not going to immediately yank the engine. I'll use it for a while. However I will buy the replacement drive train sooner than later and just sit on it until I'm ready to do the swap. I started this thread just to get an idea of how much $$$ I might be able to recoup after the swap.

But all of these reasons are just rationalizations. I'm doing it this way because it's the truck I want and my wife likes Cruisers. She thinks the Troopy is one of the coolest trucks ever produced. She saw one in good shape and said "Why didn't we buy one of those?" So we did.

[joshoisasleep]

Hey you'll get no argument from me on the 3b... I've owned one now and it's enough to make me swear by them! In Canada I always thought the rule was more or less that b's were 12V and h's were 24V... and I was under the impression that 24V was pretty common for aussie trucks (wrong I guess).

That's a point the 45's are rare whatever engine, and I guess by importing a diesel you may have actually saved money in this case by selling the engine off! If nothing else it should be fun to play with the H before you do the swap. Cheers!

[BreckenridgeCruiser]

Truck that were destined from the factory for Aus/NZ were 12v. The ones that were JDM imports were 24V. I know that's not much of a difference but keep in mind that toyota didn't make a ton of trucks for the Aus/NZ market back in those days. They did however have a raging trade of low mileage JDM rigs like my BJ44. In that cae you have a Aus/NZ rig and not an import. One way to tell is is the glove box decal is in english. Mine is in Japanese.

[crushers]

in the end it is the owner that decides what works best for him. personally a 1HZTI would be the best swap for the troopie but the 1HZ is hard to find, period and one in good shape even harder.
the 13BT will move the troopie nicely down the road but 30 mpg is unrealistic, 25 mpg is more likely. the truck will be very driveable.

but

you could also look at turboing your H and drive it that way for a few years, that will make the truck response much better, cheaper and easier than swapping drivetrains and a H/2H will return the same milage as the 13BT.

not trying to tell you what to do, just makeing a suggestion.

i LOVE them old troopies, congrates.

finally, a H is only worth what a buyer will pay...i am guessing with the 4 speed about $1500...

cheers M8

[prado t]

A13B-t powered troopie, will give more like 22mpg

[joshoisasleep]

Originally Posted by prado t

A13B-t powered troopie, will give more like 22mpg

I didn't want to rain on anybody's parade, but yeah I notice the more weight and drag I add to my 60 the further and further I get from the 10L/100km (25mpg?) that others are getting. I think I've gotten almost as low as half that in "full expedition mode". Perhaps on the heavier, less aerodynamic troopy it might be worth investigating the old H.
Methinks an underpowered engine can hurt fuel economy just as badly as a too-large one. The 3b is wonderful in an empty, aerodynamic, roofrack-free 60, but I always wonder if when I'm heavily loaded down I'd have better fuel economy with the bigger 2H... less revving and lugging and all that...

Bah don't listen to me, I'm just curious about the H series and would love to have the chance to try one like you!

[matt.mcinnes]

The last 1H I sold was for $250 runnig when removed but I'm cheap

Matt

[bigluxs]

Originally Posted by matt.mcinnes

The last 1H I sold was for $250 runnig when removed but I'm cheap

Matt

yes but your in oz where no one cares about the 1H and if your lucky you can pick up a good running 2H for 1000

[matt.mcinnes]

Originally Posted by bigluxs

yes but your in oz where no one cares about the 1H and if your lucky you can pick up a good running 2H for 1000

Yes but i sold it in the US for $250 including shipping

[RufusTheDufus]

I do appreciate all of the feedback. I thought the H/2H engines get 16 - 20 MPG.

I'll run the H as-is until I finish the body and suspension work. Eventually I'll swap the engine. Someone will want this H someday, maybe for a Cruiser, maybe for a forklift. It will be sitting in storage waiting for them. Or maybe I'll just use it on a log splitter.

[roscoFJ73]

Australias most famous 13BT powered 45 troop
YouTube - 4WD Action 112 DVD - LandCruiser Mountain Park

[Tapage]

Originally Posted by roscoFJ73

Australias most famous 13BT powered 45 troop
YouTube - 4WD Action 112 DVD - LandCruiser Mountain Park

And the driver .. ?

[matt.mcinnes]

Originally Posted by Tapage

And the driver .. ?

Roothy, but I though he ran a 1HZ-T but I could be wrong

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by matt.mcinnes

Roothy, but I though he ran a 1HZ-T but I could be wrong

No its definately a 13BT. Its being rebuilt after the filter box got a crack in it and let some serious dust in on a desert trip(although it was already blowing oily smoke before that)
It was in the August DVD

[crushers]

nah, the 2H in good condition gets roughly 25 mpg and i have seen better of course this depends on yoru right foot... the 13BT will get the same or worse.

Originally Posted by RufusTheDufus

I do appreciate all of the feedback. I thought the H/2H engines get 16 - 20 MPG.
.

[matt.mcinnes]

Originally Posted by roscoFJ73

No its definately a 13BT. Its being rebuilt after the filter box got a crack in it and let some serious dust in on a desert trip(although it was already blowing oily smoke before that)
It was in the August DVD

I have meet Roothy as i freelance for 4WD Monthly from time to time but never really looked under his bonnet.
Such greats as "Who the Hell is Ellis". So strap on your big rubber and we will show you where to look.