HDJ81 oil filter question

[allofthisforyou]

Hi, I'm just wondering if anyone knows if the oil filter found at this site L/C 80 - Oil Filter - $28.00 : Japanoid Auto Store has a "dual element"??

Also, I read that oil filters should be changed every 10,000kms, or if the oil is contaminated in some way. I also read that diesels produce a lot of soot and that clean oil will turn black very soon after an oil change. Does soot = contamination / should the filter be changed with the oil if the oil is black??

Thanks for any input,
Rob

[Joe Egolf]

I am not sure about your HDJ84 or what ever it is ,But I do know that fresh oil will get black in as little as 5ookm after oil and filter change on a3B engine. I also believe 10,000km is a very long interval? I change my oil and filter and fuel filter every 3000 or not more than 3500km,just my opinion.

[Joe Egolf]

There have been a number of filter studies here, try a search? .I think NAPA filters are as good as any in most cases and I use NAPA Fleet [diesel rated]15w40 oil.To me the important thing is frequent oil and filter changes as I stated in my previous post

[mac]

You'll find that with a 1HD-T the oil stays fairly clean through 5000kms which is when you should change both the oil and the filter. Direst injection diesels do not "blacken" their oils as quickly as their pre-cup brethren.

[83bj60]

Originally Posted by allofthisforyou

Hi, I'm just wondering if anyone knows if the oil filter found at this site L/C 80 - Oil Filter - $28.00 : Japanoid Auto Store has a "dual element"??

Also, I read that oil filters should be changed every 10,000kms, or if the oil is contaminated in some way. I also read that diesels produce a lot of soot and that clean oil will turn black very soon after an oil change. Does soot = contamination / should the filter be changed with the oil if the oil is black??

Thanks for any input,
Rob

OK, here goes.

The 1HD-T produces much less soot than the 3B. It's direct injected and turbocharged and burns more efficiently than the older 3B engine design ever did. It will take a few thousand km before the engine oil is as sootty as on a 3B after a few hundred, which required an oil change every 5,000 km.

You are right about the 10,000 km interval for oil changes on this engine. It's cleaner so the oil lasts much longer, and you will feel it as well by how long the engine keeps quiet after a fresh oil change. Now you'll be able to afford that synthetic oil you wanted, as you wont have to change it as often, you will even save some fuel and notice it runs a bit peppier.

The OEM oil filter is dual element, and that's waht you want to keep the oil clean as long as it does. You don't have to buy an aftermarket one to avoid the outrageously high prices charged by Canadian dealers. Simply buy OEM filters from a Toyota dealer in the US, they are 2-3 times cheaper there.

[Tapage]

I never allow my 1HD-T engine good much far from 3000 km on the same oil .. sure I always trust/like/use mineral oils ..

[sandcruiser]

I run into time issues before kilometer issues on things like oil changes.... but I would still be leery of 10,000km change intervals, especially if you spend any time offroad or working the motor (towing, lots of stop & go, etc)

[83bj60]

Well that would be considered 'severe service' and although I don't know the interval for severe service on this engine, I would assume they would recommend halving the normal interval under theses circumstances...

I wish there was a way to test oil inexpensively...

[mac]

Originally Posted by 83bj60

The OEM oil filter is dual element, and that's waht you want to keep the oil clean as long as it does. You don't have to buy an aftermarket one to avoid the outrageously high prices charged by Canadian dealers. Simply buy OEM filters from a Toyota dealer in the US, they are 2-3 times cheaper there.

I just ordered up 6 from Toyota in WA state- 15 bucks each.

[83bj60]

Great to know it's pretty much the same in the west as in the east...

I wonder how the dealers in Canada come up with the $32 to $38 figure, knowing one can simply walk in a dealer's on the other side of the border and pay between $15 (retail) and as little as $10 if you're lucky... Heck, to charge $35 they must be buying them from a dealer down south, pay shipping then add 100% markup on the total!...

[allofthisforyou]

Thanks guys, I've driven mine about 3000kms now and the oil is black so it might be due (I think the oil change I did 3000 kms ago was the first one that it had since it got off the boat...).

I was just wondering if anyone knew what the oil filter change intervals were for these things since the manual of my buddy's ('97?) Honda Accord says to change the oil + filter in it every 12,000 kms/(x months). In the Max Ellery repair manual for this engine it says to change the filter "every 10,000 kms, or if the oil is contaminated in some way," but since I haven't been able to get my hands on a translated owner's manual for these vehicles yet I can't confirm this with Toyota's recommendations... I used to think that the "standard" oil, and oil filter, change interval, for most vehicles is every 5000 kms/3 months (and I think that some lube shops probably still recommend this) but it seems that in newer vehicles this interval has increased. I'll probably stick to every 5000 kms/3 months for the oil (unless I finally manage to get a manual, or if someone on this forum has a manual and lets me know what how often Toyota recommends changing the oil in these vehicles) but if 10,000 kms/x months is okay for the oil (filter?), as long as the oil is still clean, that's great to know (it'll save me a few bucks each year )

Thanks for the heads-up too mac, that defintately beats the $35 I'm paying at Toyota Surrey...

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by 83bj60

Great to know it's pretty much the same in the west as in the east...

I wonder how the dealers in Canada come up with the $32 to $38 figure, !...

Same in oz. So I use aftermarket ones. Toyota dealers usually have to buy off the owner of the franchise in that country.

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by allofthisforyou

I was just wondering if anyone knew what the oil filter change intervals were for these things ...

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[83bj60]

Originally Posted by roscoFJ73

Same in oz. So I use aftermarket ones.

Are the aftermarket filters dual-element like Toyota's?

Originally Posted by roscoFJ73

Toyota dealers usually have to buy off the owner of the franchise in that country.

I wonder if that franchise/protectionist thing is typical of the (formerly) 'british' way of doing business? Why is it so different in the US? the dealer I go to in Maine also sells Nissan, BTW... Wouldn't happen here for sure!!!

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by 83bj60

Are the aftermarket filters dual-element like Toyota's?

I dont know ,but hardly anyone uses Toyota filters here and we dont have engines dropping like flies.

I wonder if that franchise/protectionist thing is typical of the (formerly) 'british' way of doing business? Why is it so different in the US? the dealer I go to in Maine also sells Nissan, BTW... Wouldn't happen here for sure!!!

Well its probably fair to say that the British empire introduced modern international trading principles (even if it was at the point of a gun)but I doubt the americans have a problem with closed markets when its suits them.
Try selling Coca Cola in someone elses Coke franchise

I would say its a case of american dealers havent woken up yet to what other markets charge
Some of the dealerships here are owned by finance companies and they also sell Nissan ,VW,Ford but not under the one roof like in Maine.

Some of the parts stores here have been able to bypass Toyota Australia and get their parts at a lower cost direct from Japanese dealers.

[canucksafari]

I know in my case that the OEM filters are still the best. Currently running Fleetguard filters but the oil seems to get dirtier sooner and it takes about 1.5-2 seconds longer for oil pressure to build. But yes, they are near 1/2 of OEM filters and are supposed to be better at filtering. So why the **** does my oil seem to get dirty quicker?

[83bj60]

That would probbaly be because it's not a dual element filter... I checked my oil after a recent oil change (500 km), undistinguisgable from new.

[Towpack]

Just checked mine after 1500m,650 of which has been heavy towing work @ 60-70mph,the rest stop/start urban work and the oil is still 'transparent' on the dipstick.Just leaves a dark brown stain on a white rag when I wipe it.I've heard tell thet the fuelling on the 1HD-FT's was set very conservatively in an attempt to meet the ever tightening emmisions regulations.In the UK the 24 valver was not officially imported with an auto box as it couldn't meet the new (back then) regs.It was either a 5 sp H151F or the petrol FZJ80 if you wanted auto.

[matt 105]

According to Caterpillar, Donalson, Cummins and Fleetguard - duel eliment filters are not the latest and greatest. - or more equiptment manufacturers would use them. I ask every time I do a course. They are an old tech idea - having half the filter with infereor filter medium.
What would you put better oil filtration on? - a car with service interviles by the km, or a gen set that powers a town, or a ship, or a hospital, or some mining equiptment that costs thousands every time you pull it up to service?
What other vehicle uses them?
The 1VD? - no - and it has a 20 000km service intervile!
Any other new clean burning diesel?
We use what ever is cheap - or wipe the old filter clean.
Enjoy your expencive filters.

[83bj60]

Originally Posted by Towpack

Just checked mine after 1500m,650 of which has been heavy towing work @ 60-70mph,the rest stop/start urban work and the oil is still 'transparent' on the dipstick.Just leaves a dark brown stain on a white rag when I wipe it.I've heard tell thet the fuelling on the 1HD-FT's was set very conservatively in an attempt to meet the ever tightening emmisions regulations.In the UK the 24 valver was not officially imported with an auto box as it couldn't meet the new (back then) regs.It was either a 5 sp H151F or the petrol FZJ80 if you wanted auto.

Quite possible... But what filter do you use? I checked the oil today, 1000 km, still transparent gold... Ain't that great? On the old 3B powered bj60, it'd be totally black by now.

Seriously, I've seen a few pictures of the insides of that filter and it's quite a sophisticated apparatus! For me, there is no other filter like it

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[Towpack]

Originally Posted by 83bj60

Quite possible... But what filter do you use? I checked the oil today, 1000 km, still transparent gold... Ain't that great? On the old 3B powered bj60, it'd be totally black by now.

Seriously, I've seen a few pictures of the insides of that filter and it's quite a sophisticated apparatus! For me, there is no other filter like it

I always rely on the OE Toyota filters.I've tried 2 pattern filters and the biggest issue for me was the apparrent absence of a drain back valve with the resultant 2-3 second increase in the time it took for the OP to appear on the (mech) OP gauge.2-3 seconds may not sound a lot but it bothered me so I don't use those filters any more.

[cruiser_guy]

Originally Posted by allofthisforyou

I'll probably stick to every 5000 kms/3 months for the oil (unless I finally manage to get a manual, or if someone on this forum has a manual and lets me know what how often Toyota recommends changing the oil in these vehicles) but if 10,000 kms/x months is okay for the oil (filter?), as long as the oil is still clean, that's great to know (it'll save me a few bucks each year )

For my money, I NEVER put clean oil through a dirty filter even though it's written in many manuals that way. For the few dollars, relatively speaking, that a filter costs, it may as well get changed too.

[allofthisforyou]

Yeah, I definately wouldn't put clean oil through a dirty filter but I was just wondering when a filter qualifies as "dirty" (whether it is when the oil is dirty, or sooner than that).

Rob