Alternative diesel fuel?

[MiniPigg]

When we were driving in the 62 from Cheyenne WY to Spokane WA, one of the fuel stations mentioned using a diesel alternative fuel that was well under 2 bucks a gallon. I asked if it was biodiesel and she said it was something else. She told me there was a supplier in her area. That was somewhere in Montana. Would not be cost effective for us to travel all the way down to buy fuel.

Any one know what this stuff is and where to buy it?

[inkpot]

Howdy! I wonder if they meant "farm" diesel? Down here it is called Red diesel, and it is about 1/2 the price of Green diesel. NThey are the same thing, only NO taxes. John

[MiniPigg]

Originally Posted by inkpot

Howdy! I wonder if they meant "farm" diesel? Down here it is called Red diesel, and it is about 1/2 the price of Green diesel. NThey are the same thing, only NO taxes. John

Yeah but it is illegal to use that on the road. She said it wasnt diesel fuel that it was made differently with some other chemicals. I also asked her if it was veggie oil and/or veggie bio diesel and she said it wasnt that either. Was some sorta alternative and was approved.

So I am lost.... I wish I had wrote the number down to the place that I got fuel at.

[inkpot]

Howdy! There is 100% pure bio diesel, and then there is a blend that has a small amount of regular diesel in it, I think. I know it' about $1 a gallon cheaper, because my daughter uses it for a Pyro display she does. Only other thing I can come up with is Aviation Fuels. John

[MiniPigg]

Originally Posted by inkpot

Howdy! There is 100% pure bio diesel, and then there is a blend that has a small amount of regular diesel in it, I think. I know it' about $1 a gallon cheaper, because my daughter uses it for a Pyro display she does. Only other thing I can come up with is Aviation Fuels. John

Ive used B20 on a regular basis prior to selling our diesel. But I am going to be getting another diesel and was curious about this alternative fuel. Its not the bio or bio blend. She said it was something totally different made from other products then animal, dino, or veg oils.

I should have asked her more info. This has been driving me crazy for the past two weeks.

[RHINO]

i dont know of anything you can buy at a pump that costs $2 gallon. i am betting one of two things here,,,, some folks think biodiesel is just the stuff made from french fry oil,,, and dont think about aggri bio that you can buy at a pump. i bet its aggri bio made from soybean oil and her price is not accurate. its what i use in the pig and its about $1 less than regular diesel,,, the other thing i can think of is she doesnt know what shes talking about or just filling your head with fooey.

there is also an additive making the rounds a while back that claims all kinds of things including lowering the price of diesel because you dont burn as much, blah blah,, its been pretty much put to bed.

[inkpot]

Howdy! Yea, lets see now, there's coal oil, but that's really dino, and CNG, and there's whale or fish oil, but that's kinda animal, potato oil would still be vege, well I'm running out of ideas that burn, so to speak. Well, of course, there is Solar Oil. Yea, that's the ticket. If it's not animal, vegetable, or mineral, that's all that's left. I think Rhino's got it right about the Fooey Oil. Don'tcha just hate when people tellya stuff like that. John

[MiniPigg]

Originally Posted by inkpot

Howdy! Yea, lets see now, there's coal oil, but that's really dino, and CNG, and there's whale or fish oil, but that's kinda animal, potato oil would still be vege, well I'm running out of ideas that burn, so to speak. Well, of course, there is Solar Oil. Yea, that's the ticket. If it's not animal, vegetable, or mineral, that's all that's left. I think Rhino's got it right about the Fooey Oil. Don'tcha just hate when people tellya stuff like that. John

Lets not forget about the German dude that makes diesel fuel from local cats and road kill.

Oh and lets not forget this:

Motor Fuel Taxes

[inkpot]

Howdy! Well, that new German fuel would technically qualify as animal matter, the only difference is we usually think of dino instead of fresh and warm!! John

[canucksafari]

Well it isn't German. I suspect you all are refering to thermo-depolymerization (TDP), a USA technology. Check this 2003 National Geographic article out: Turkey Fuel? Factory to Turn Guts Into Crude Oil. However, doubt you would see any difference in price at the pumps - unless trhe governement allows it to be sold tax free.

[toynut]

it could be gtl diesel
Gas to liquids - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

turkey guts is still considered bio , gtl is converetd from natural gas .

[toynut]

looks like its being cracked from coal bed deposits R-Squared Energy Blog: Oil from Montana Coal

Green Car Congress: Montana Governor Testing GTL-Powered Pickup

[canucksafari]

Originally Posted by toynut

it could be gtl diesel
Gas to liquids - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

turkey guts is still considered bio , gtl is converetd from natural gas .

Actually TDP light crude is not bio. Biodiesel is from veggie or animal oils. TDP can be made from any complex carbon waste. This includes all materials made from dino oil and of course animal and plant materials.

[toynut]

Semantics , i guess ? i believe turkey is considered biomass not bio as in waste vegtable , gtl is from coal bed or natural gas this comes directly from this article : wikipedia .

[edit] Synthetic diesel
Wood, hemp, straw, corn, garbage, food scraps, and sewage-sludge may be dried and gasified to synthesis gas. After purification the Fischer-Tropsch process is used to produce synthetic diesel.[11] This means that synthetic diesel oil may be one route to biomass based diesel oil. Such processes are often called Biomass-To-Liquids or BTL.

Synthetic diesel may also be produced out of natural gas in the Gas-to-liquid (GTL) process or out of coal in the Coal-to-liquid (CTL) process. Such synthetic diesel has 30% less particulate emissions than conventional diesel (US- California).[12]

[toynut]

by the way john i love your new avatar .

[canucksafari]

Originally Posted by toynut

by the way john i love your new avatar .

Wish I had reason to change it. Get ready for another 2.5 cents / liter carbon tax increase in a week. A Happy Canada Day present from your friendly BC Liberals who seem to love spending our money. Tax nuetral and carbon nuetral what a bunch of media BS. Makes me feel so good that the governement will also have to pay the Carbon Tax and it will motivate them to use less fuel. Ya right, they won't change cause we are footing the bill. The only thing green about Gordie and his pals is from a rough flight on Helijet. Watch for provincial and munciple taxes to rise to pay for the increase fuel costs. I for one will be using my carbon tax dividen to help fill the tank with diesel so I can drive somewhere for a vacation with the family. And it will probably be south in to Washington State where diesel is cheaper along with almost eveything else. Happy Canada Day. Eleven more months till the next BC election, least we forget.

Rant out...

[toynut]

do you think the provincial ndp would be any better , you could expect a larger carbon tax from them and no bribery check to offset it , at least i got for hundred bucks from gordie carol would of taken the four hundred bucks and given it to some no gooder sitting on granville st with a sign that says he cant work and needs money for food !

[MiniPigg]

BERLIN (Reuters) - A German inventor has angered animal rights activists with his answer to fighting the soaring cost of fuel -- dead cats.
Christian Koch, 55, from the eastern county of Saxony, told Bild newspaper that his organic diesel fuel -- a home-made blend of garbage, run-over cats, and other ingredients -- is a proven alternative to normal consumer diesel.
"I drive my normal diesel-powered car with this mixture," Koch said. "I have gone 170,000 km (106,000 miles) without a problem."
The website of Koch's firm, "Alphakat GmbH", says his patented "KDV 500" machine can produce what he calls the "bio-diesel" fuel at about 23 euro cents (30 cents) a litre, which is about one-fifth the price at petrol stations now.
Koch said around 20 dead cats added into the mix could help produce enough fuel to fill up a 50-litre (11 gallon) tank.
But the president of the German Society for the Protection of Animals, Wolfgang Apel, said using dead cats for fuel was illegal.
"There's no danger for cats and dogs in Germany because this practice is outlawed in Germany," Apel told Bild on Wednesday in a story entitled "Can you really make fuel out of cats?"
"We're going to keep an eye on this case," Apel said.

[toynut]

maybe peta members could use it in thier vehicles !

[Enigma]

My dad always fills up his diesel tractors using house stove oil, as they still have the oil fired furnace. Less taxes or something, and it gets delivered
I have no idea how that stuff would work in a more "refined" vehicle, or what the differences in the fuel are.

[MiniPigg]

Originally Posted by toynut

maybe peta members could use it in thier vehicles !

Yes... lol... I actually posted it as a joke as I thought it was hilarious that someone was using dead pets as fuel.

But you know... if this is true and not some scam.... you know it is going to get consumed by the big companies and lost in a dark dark closet never to be found or seen again.

Anyone remember that guy, I think he was in Texas, that was taking trash, recycling the plastic's, metals, etc... then taking the rest and using a bacteria to eat the trash. Their by product was made into small pellets and used to burn in steam generators. Where is that technology now?

[canucksafari]

Originally Posted by toynut

do you think the provincial ndp would be any better , you could expect a larger carbon tax from them and no bribery check to offset it , at least i got for hundred bucks from gordie carol would of taken the four hundred bucks and given it to some no gooder sitting on granville st with a sign that says he cant work and needs money for food !

They are still a party who's bread and butter supporters are unionized workers in heavy industries. All the tree huggers have gone to the Green party bor are sitting with the Liberals. Gordie is just trying to keep his rich urban tree huggers with this tax. The NDP know it would be political suicide for them to do this carbon tax. The Liberals don't give a damn for the heart land of this province. IMO, the Liberals are stupid, because it is the resource based industries running on diesel machinery which keep the government accounts a float. Of all the devils out there (political parties), I'd take the NDP over the Liberals any day. At least I could be sure there might be some benefits from my tax money besides some stupid Olympics I won't even be able to afford to take my family to see. They should be user cost recovery just like they instituted for BC Parks and Forest Service sites and camp grounds. So add the moronic carbon tax to the Liberals attempt to legislate FSR closed to 4wheelers and you know who I will be voting for next election.

Thread related content: The Liberals could have taken the money we will all loose from this tax (whether you drive avehicle or not) and used it to promote TDP plants being built in the province. They could have been smart and solved the Lower Mainland's land fill garabage and sewage sludge problem and made us some nice oil and some new jobs down here. They could have promoted the use of slash and wood waste in TDP plant for the interior. That would have meant more jobs in the forestry industry. And on the environmental side, any idea how much CO2 is emitted from slash piles and beehive burners? Any idea how how much CO2 will be emitted when all that standing bug kill goes up in forest fires over the next few years? The Liberal morons are acting worse than the NDP ever did.

[toynut]

when ever i think of the ndp i remember the fast ferries

[inkpot]

Howdy! At least there is a little bit of progress being made in this area in Arizona, of all places. Several years ago we had a huge forest fire, like 1.500,000+ acres. I think it was private enterprise, not state/federal/tribal government, built an electric plant that uses the burned forest products. The local utilites are buying power at a fair price from a renewable resource. At least it's not all going to waste. John