Toyota diesel for a small vehicle

[joshoisasleep]

When I saw the recent thread about the Toyota Blizzard I thought "wow that's cool", but alas I hate the idea of RHD. So I thought what about taking a Toyota diesel engine and putting it into a similarly sized vehicle, like say a suzuki samurai.

The obvious choice would be the 2L I guess for this size of vehicle. I've read of numbers around 35mpg for a Blizzard/rocky/whatever with that engine... do you think you could get the same with a 2L in a samurai?

Would a 3b maybe get close to the same mileage in such a light vehicle? I only say that because a Prado with a 2L apparently gets similar mileage to a BJ60, which has a 3B. Sure it's a bigger engine, but with such a light vehicle you'd barely even touch the pedal to make it go. And you could dial the fuel back. It would be nice to have the more power if so...

What do you all think?

[roscoFJ73]

For a Suzuki,the easiest would be its own diesel that comes in the Samurai in some markets. I dont know anything about them except they exist.
Toyota also make the C class diesels for the Corrola and Townace. I think they are around 1800cc
Isuzu also make some excellant small diesels

This is a complete list of Toyota diesels. Note the output on the Finnish market only 1CD FTV

Diesel engines

[lumpy70]

Apparently the engine to put into a Sammy is one of the older (non-computerized) Volkswagen TDI engines. 1.6L, turbo.

There are kits out there that adapt the VW drivetrain to Suzuki for just that function.

I think a 3B would twist the heck out of a Sammy just for the weight of it alone. It is big and heavy. Plus the 2L is notorious for cracking heads and isn't super widely available where the diesel VW's are everywhere.

Try here:
Suzuki Samurai Turbo Diesel

Craig.

PS
Good to hear from you Josh, hope the tranny is doing well.

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by roscoFJ73

For a Suzuki,the easiest would be its own diesel that comes in the Samurai in some markets. I dont know anything about them except they exist.
Toyota also make the C class diesels for the Corrola and Townace. I think they are around 1800cc
Isuzu also make some excellant small diesels

This is a complete list of Toyota diesels. Note the output on the Finnish market only 1CD FTV

Diesel engines

That 1CD-FTV ain't much.
This avensis has been out for about 4-5 years.
180hp, 400Nm from a 2.2L, this is the engine they "twinned" to make the 200 series V8 diesel.
Toyota Avensis - hatchback, saloon & tourer or estate

Methinks they copied Honda's 2.2L diesel. Given Isuzu helped honda and Isuzu now help Toyota.

[crushers]

stay away from ANY of the Toyota diesels smaller than the 3.4L... they are all crap engines.
poor fuel milage for their size
piss poor performance
crack heads
drop valve seats
drop valve guides

i second Lumpy, when i was looking at the Sammy a few years back the VW diesel was the cat's ass. there are kits already to go, WICKED performance, WICKED fuel milage (i bought the Mits J53 Jeep instead)

the 3B will be way too heavy for the Sammy.

[brownbear]

HZJguy has a sami on here with a 2l-t. If you search his name he has posted pics of it lots.

So Crushers...smaller than 3.4? What about the 2b, b etc?

[Hilux]

1st off, I'd want to know the weight of the 3b (then compare to whatever came out of it)

2nd, As powerfull (for its size) as the 3b is, it's almost too powerful.

It doesn't take a rocket science degree to figure out that: 1, if you want it and it wont squat the front suspension,,,go for it!

And 2, if the output makes the existing gears too tall, and MPG is what you want in the 1st place. I say put the highest gears you can find in it


High gears on such a lightweight rig, and your torque curve will be in the wrong place, hence "It's too much engine." Move your gears down from a "puller" to a "pusher" and you'll have all your torque where it can be max effective...I.E, HIGH gears.

This is VERY important.

Get the gear calculator and the most effective RPM for the 3b. Factor in weight and what you can do without (pulling a log truck). Then hunt for the gear and tire combo you need. Then you can see where the rpms will be before you do all this.


And tall tires on stock gears ALWAYS accents the weakness of the particular axle. FFT. Think about a stronger axle. Most Sammy's run Toyota mini axles anyway. Moving up to the V6 center section IMO would be enough.


But remember its not a drag car, and all that torque plus the resistance of twisting forces will be ell on them axles....


Unless it's double the weight, and I couldn't figure out a way to get the final drive up. I'd say gopher it!

[joshoisasleep]

rosco: Diesel samurais... I knew there had to be one! My googling didn't find them though... crushers have you ever imported one of these??

Yeah I've read a bit about the VW diesels and that does sound like the straightforward option, I love the sound of one of those Acme kits. The reason I was thinking maybe a 2L was that with most of the VW engines until the 1.9 the numbers didn't seem to show much of a power improvement, and as for mileage... well stock gasser sammy mileage is pretty hard to beat as it is.


Crushers: the 38mpg claimed in the blizzard thread I mentioned is as good or better than what a lot of people are saying for the VW swaps. These are just numbers that I've seen floating around online though so I don't really know what the real world difference would be between the two.

So the point for me putting a diesel into a sammy would be to increase power and just not decrease the mileage. I know the 2L has it's problems, but I've heard you can get a nickle head for it or something... and really on such a light vehicle you're not exactly going to be straining it any way especially compared to a much heavier prado wagon. I also thought since a blizzard is around the same size that makes it a sensible match. Going back to the 3B... how much heavier could it be than the 2L??

The other point that attracted me to the 2L is that 22R conversions are common on samurais (Acme makes a kit for it), and I read somewhere that a 2L and 22R will bolt onto the frame in the same way... are they compatible in other ways also??


Don't mean to be arguing for the Toyota engines here, just thinking outloud.

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by crushers

stay away from ANY of the Toyota diesels smaller than the 3.4L... they are all **** engines.
poor fuel milage for their size
piss poor performance
crack heads
drop valve seats
drop valve guides

That's a rather poor generalisation.
While it's true the 2LT's are best avoided.
The 2L and 3L's do fine without a turbo.
The 5L appears to have no problems
The 1KZ's are good engines
The 1KD's are truely fantastic.

Toyotas larger engines aren't without problems. Big end bearings anyone?

[crushers]

i have never imported a diesel sami.
the 3B wieghs in right around 800 lbs and you will need the larger H41/42/55 tranny for behind it.
38 mpg?? lets put it this way "if it is on the internet then it must be true" LOL!!
a 3B in a light sami will have very little rolling resistance and with the proper gearing should return plenty of grunt and excellent fuel milage... if you can keep axles under it... the 3B turns out a lot of torque at low RPMs.

i spoke my mind about the smaller Toyota diesels, you do what you feel is good for you...

a stock gasser sami returns wicked fuel milage, and if you need more torque but like the highway preformance then a set og custom t/case gears is your answer. cheap, turn key and reliable... what more do you want or need?

Originally Posted by joshoisasleep

rosco: Diesel samurais... I knew there had to be one! My googling didn't find them though... crushers have you ever imported one of these??

Yeah I've read a bit about the VW diesels and that does sound like the straightforward option, I love the sound of one of those Acme kits. The reason I was thinking maybe a 2L was that with most of the VW engines until the 1.9 the numbers didn't seem to show much of a power improvement, and as for mileage... well stock gasser sammy mileage is pretty hard to beat as it is.


Crushers: the 38mpg claimed in the blizzard thread I mentioned is as good or better than what a lot of people are saying for the VW swaps. These are just numbers that I've seen floating around online though so I don't really know what the real world difference would be between the two.

So the point for me putting a diesel into a sammy would be to increase power and just not decrease the mileage. I know the 2L has it's problems, but I've heard you can get a nickle head for it or something... and really on such a light vehicle you're not exactly going to be straining it any way especially compared to a much heavier prado wagon. I also thought since a blizzard is around the same size that makes it a sensible match. Going back to the 3B... how much heavier could it be than the 2L??

The other point that attracted me to the 2L is that 22R conversions are common on samurais (Acme makes a kit for it), and I read somewhere that a 2L and 22R will bolt onto the frame in the same way... are they compatible in other ways also??


Don't mean to be arguing for the Toyota engines here, just thinking outloud.

[crushers]

my god, Roverboy, is that all you can come up with...go stick your head back in your books, real life has passed you by.

Originally Posted by Dougal

That's a rather poor generalisation.

Toyotas larger engines aren't without problems. Big end bearings anyone?

[joshoisasleep]

Originally Posted by crushers

38 mpg?? lets put it this way "if it is on the internet then it must be true" LOL!!

Well your site pegs them at 35mpg on one you've sold (I think I've got that right). I haven't found much info but what I have found has been around there. In contrast someone on the Acme Adapters website put a 2L in a LWB sammy and pegged it at 25mpg. Who knows I guess.

Originally Posted by crushers

a 3B in a light sami will have very little rolling resistance and with the proper gearing should return plenty of grunt and excellent fuel milage... if you can keep axles under it... the 3B turns out a lot of torque at low RPMs.

a stock gasser sami returns wicked fuel milage, and if you need more torque but like the highway preformance then a set og custom t/case gears is your answer. cheap, turn key and reliable... what more do you want or need?

I like the idea of using a 3b because it's a tried and true engine for me. I think it's likely that a samurai with a diesel in it has to be lifted (for a VW you need to), and so improved suspension (for that and the weight) is already a given. As far as axles... well I guess that's a problem anytime you put something bigger than a 1.3L engine in one of those little things.

As far as whether it's the torque or the highway I'd want to improve... well in my experience the samurai engines basically just kind of suck all around. A 3b would be an incredible improvement... in my mind just a question of whether the light weight of the vehicle would make the difference between the 25mpg of a stock BJ60 and what 35mpg(?) of a stock samurai.


So even with a better head put on the turbo'd 2L's are a no go?

Oh and also, if we're not talking about at least toyota engines I fear the cruiser gods may punish this thread!!

[Gold Boy]

how about some of the smaller kabuto diesels?

[joshoisasleep]

screw it what I really want is a new Jimny. Too bad some stupid consumer report killed that for North America. Check out the little 1.5L diesel option... I wonder where that's available.

Jimny:Specifications | Global Suzuki

The air locking hubs are kinda cool too!

I've seen lots of Jimny's around here... I wonder if I could find a diesel one and tow it home...

[crushers]

yep, that is a typo error.
it was to read 25 mpg but the wrong digit got hit. i had sent a couple emails to my web boy but then forgot about changing it...
since i have not sold these engine equiped vehicles for the last couple years i never bothered to change it.

Originally Posted by joshoisasleep

Well your site pegs them at 35mpg on one you've sold

[joshoisasleep]

I mistyped too. Apparently samurais do about 25mpg... at least the carbureted ones. So either way a 3b is likely to be a massive improvement, and almost definitely better fuel mileage since 25mpg is what most people get in a good BJ60 anyway.

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by joshoisasleep

rosco: Diesel samurais... I knew there had to be one! My googling didn't find them though... crushers have you ever imported one of these??


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You didnt google hard enough
It seems diesel sammys were made by Santana(who also make a Landrover) for the European market using the old Peugoet 1.9.
jaimesix's 1988 Suzuki Samurai on CarDomain - Page 2

There is also a diesel Vitara which is still on sale in oz and other markets

[sandcruiser]

keep your eyes peeled, I've seen diesel sammies here. In fact, I kick myself a little over not buying one that I saw for about 6 months straight: long wheel base, body in decent shape, hard top cab, diesel.

I need that truck not at all, but it sure looked like a decent little vehicle.

[Tapage]

A long wheel base samy would be nice with a 3L on it .. If you wanna go with bigger engine lige the 1KZ-T you will found you in instesting issues triying to math a tranny and dealing with the huge oil pan on this engine .. SO sure, BL .. sure and much more.

[joshoisasleep]

Wow sandcruiser that's pretty cool... I would definitely tow one home. Was it an older model? I think you can only import it to Canada if it's 15 years old or older...

[astr]

For Sammi diesel options, look here: Suzuki Diesel

[sandcruiser]

i'd guess it was a late-80s, so you could probably take it back.
it sold :( but I'll bet that there are others, somewhere