[cruiser_007]

I paid $3.72/gal yesterday morning. I've seen it as high as $3.95/gal in the Dallas, TX area.

[romey]

$1.22 CAN in ingersoll, west of the greater toronto area, that is nuckin futs!! i thought we were supposed to be getting a deal driving diesels!

...maybe the outcomes of the US elections will change this?

[Tapage]

Originally Posted by romey

...maybe the outcomes of the US elections will change this?

I don't think so .. I thought the petroleum barrel never go back behind the 100 USD/barrel line ..

[M John Galt]

Originally Posted by romey

...maybe the outcomes of the US elections will change this?

Only if they nationalize the oil companies and fix prices, not very likely, even if the Dragon Lady wins.

North Americans just have to get used to world prices for petro.

[brownbear]

Originally Posted by M John Galt

North Americans just have to get used to world prices for petro.

We were paying the consumer price. And taxed at that.

What Europe and GB were paying was just excessive tax. Look at prices in Mexico and other nations that don't over tax the fuel. They were even cheaper than NA.

The price per barrel is the commodity price on the markets.

Only reason for it to get so high is fear, shortage and demand.

In NA didn't move all it's manufacturing to China we'd stop making em soo rich they can all buy cars

[M John Galt]

Most N.Americans can't connect the dots to understand how buying cheap Chinese crap from MalWart makes the price of fuel increase. The news-writers and news-speakers are keeping rather silent on this issue, so most of the public are blissfully unaware that they're shooting at their feet in a boat.

One solution is to do like Norway and nationalize the oil companies. Then a govt. can fix the price and drive the greedy speculators out of the market. The speculators did the same thing with real-estate, driving up prices till the mortgage bubble burst, and now the govt is running around shoving tax dollars into gaping holes so rich CEOs and their buddies don't loose their salaries and golden pensions. So now there's a bunch of empty houses nobody can afford to buy.



More importantly it's Rudolph Diesel's 150th birthday today.

[cruiser_guy]

I bought diesel in Tapachula, Chiapas, Mexico yesterday for 5.73 pesos/liter or about $2/gallon and the price doesn't change from station to station since it is all Pemex! Needless to say I filled the truck up AND I filled all my jerry cans (not legal to cross the border but they don't often check). Here in Guatemala we're at about $3.75/US gallon.

Does anyone have the dimensions and drawings of a long range tank for a '60 or a '55? A couple of fills in Mexico and you pay for the tank if the price keeps climbing!!

[canucksafari]

If Canada nationalized the fossile fuel and other energy and gave preference to the Canadian consumer, I am sure the reaction of our good friends to the South would be swift to route out the Terrorists and Commies in Canada. If your read the NAFTA agreement, it was clearly written to ensure that Canada could not control and limit fuel in our national interests. We can not reduce supply to the US without reducing our domestic supply/consumption by the exact same amount (not proportionately). Furthermore, the government can not favor Canadian consumers by implementing a lower price for Canadian than we sell our energey for to the US. Mexico will soon find itself in the same state as Canada under NAFTA.

But as was said , the US consumption of oil will be small beans compared to China and India. That is where the real battle will be for the limited reserves. Perhaps in my lifetime we will loose the D for Diesel powered trucks but get the D for DC powered trucks. Imagine the torque you can get from a DC motor on each wheel. Say good-by to lockers.

[brownbear]

I think Nafta doesn't hold any weight anymore. The USA bureaucrats pretty much do as they please on other issues, like wood etc.

[cruiser_guy]

Well the democrats are all talking about renegotiating NAFTA. This time Canada and Mexico can hold the upper hand since we have stores of energy that the US does not!

I say it's time to really go with the bio-diesel from otherwise useless bio-mass NOT food stuffs.

[Tapage]

Pretty funny all but the petrol barrel price seemns to go down this week ( or at least monday and tuestday ) but tomorrow here in Panamá the gass and diesel wiull raise the price on .20 cents .. at least.

[amaurer]

I found a place here in Mountain View yesterday that sells B99 for $4.16/gal (55 gallon min)... sounds like in a few more months I'll be carting drums home and filling up in my garage.

[owenjam]

$3.91 usd per gallon in Birmingham Alabama.

[Arjun75]

US$0.99/litre in India.

[83bj60]

1.389 per litre at Bélisle Diésel tonight, the CHEAPEST PLACE IN THE LAURENTIANS. That's exactly 9 cents more than 6 days ago, or about ONE THOUSAND PERCENT INCREASE PER ANNUM.

Yes folks, that's exactly US$5.15 per US Gallon on this day, April 10, 2008.

Something's got to give...

[M John Galt]

Laborador City - diesel fuel
$1.46/litre $5.44/US gal

no government has the balls to do anything about it.

[87 HJ60]

Best price I saw yesterday in Toronto was $1.149/litre or roughly $4.35/US gallon.

[45Kevin]

Anywhere from $1.12 to $1.22 here in Calgary. I can buy bio for $.99 plus $.12 tax at a local health food store. The bio comes in 20l jugs that you leave a deposit for the first time. I think it is from a small commercial processer in Sparwood BC.

[Tapage]

Today the prices goes up here in Panamá for the Diesel .. from 3.62 to 3.66 USD/Gal ..

[83bj60]

Originally Posted by M John Galt

Laborador City - diesel fuel
$1.46/litre $5.44/US gal

no government has the balls to do anything about it.

Time for a public revolt, time to start using fuel oil (even if it's only a few cents less) but most importantly, time to convert to other fuel sources. I can see waste oil 'theft' on the rise...

Trouble is the average joe is already strapped and a slave to the pump and has no reserves to take any action against that.

What's up on lithium ion battery front? The only solution long term is electric, at least for those countries who generate their own. Thankfully even though electrity costs have risen substantially in the past few years, it is way lower than heating oil, I can't imagine how anyone who is on a limited budget and uses heating oil can make it through the winter fuel bill.

In 1980 I wrote a paper on the energy situation in which I advocated massive fusion research for our societal well-being with strong enphasis on solar methods for our individual needs, because according to the information availabe at the time, without serious changes, our society would pass the point of no return by 2030.

We are now in 2008 and because demand has swelled up from the emerging nations (I never factored in that element) it looks like we are going to want to have a "piece of their action" and that it's going to happen sooner rather than later...

On a personal note if I could save the extra $4000 I spend per year on energy than I did just a few years ago I would be actually able to save money for my retirement. As it is now, I can't see how I can even pay taxes. The angst of the self employed...

As for the figure of $1.46 per litre, it's, I'm sure, pretty much what the local pump will display today, as it is usually 3 to 9 cents above that of my truck stop station.

I urge civil disobedience, get your heating oil guys. Enough is enough. They can't take anything from an already squeezed lemon.

[83bj60]

Go to gasbuddy.com and state your complaint... I just discovered that the Flying J in Vaudreuil was 15 cents cheaper yesterday, and guess what, I was in that town yesterday, damit!

[canucksafari]

Originally Posted by 83bj60

Go to gasbuddy.com and state your complaint... I just discovered that the Flying J in Vaudreuil was 15 cents cheaper yesterday, and guess what, I was in that town yesterday, damit!

Flying J is a card lock so is always a lot cheaper than retail locations. Some Flying Js allow non-cardlock holders to buy fuel. There is something about the Shell diesel at the Flying Js that cause my rpm to drop by 100-150.

[jeffsclan]

Originally Posted by M John Galt

Most N.Americans can't connect the dots to understand how buying cheap Chinese crap from MalWart makes the price of fuel increase. The news-writers and news-speakers are keeping rather silent on this issue, so most of the public are blissfully unaware that they're shooting at their feet in a boat.

One solution is to do like Norway and nationalize the oil companies. Then a govt. can fix the price and drive the greedy speculators out of the market. The speculators did the same thing with real-estate, driving up prices till the mortgage bubble burst, and now the govt is running around shoving tax dollars into gaping holes so rich CEOs and their buddies don't loose their salaries and golden pensions. So now there's a bunch of empty houses nobody can afford to buy.


More importantly it's Rudolph Diesel's 150th birthday today.

Well put!! Does anyone know why diesel is so much more the regular gas? I thought diesel is the waste byproduct of refining gasoline. Is this the higher price ratio do to the ultra low sulfur fuel now mandated? Where I live I only know of two places to get bio-diesel and they are both more expensive that normal fuel (whats the point? ) Also while I'm thinking about it , Does the ULS diesel have any negative effect on our motors? I thought I heard something about not giving enough lubricants to lift pump injectors etc.

[83bj60]

Originally Posted by 87 HJ60

Best price I saw yesterday in Toronto was $1.149/litre or roughly $4.35/US gallon.

I can see from your avatar what is happening... Sad picture to see the poor thing in storage!

[83bj60]

Originally Posted by canucksafari

Flying J is a card lock so is always a lot cheaper than retail locations. Some Flying Js allow non-cardlock holders to buy fuel. There is something about the Shell diesel at the Flying Js that cause my rpm to drop by 100-150.

OK by cardlock you surely mean unattended, pay by credit card? Surely one doesn't need a special card? I went to one of these stations in the US opnce, used my credit card no problem.

As for fuel quality... This is odd! I DID notice that my fuel efficiency increased dramatically in the past month, which I attribute to switching to summer fuel and, of course, the dreadfully expensive fuel which is forcing me to drive slower. I haven't been over 120 in quite a while now.

[eleblanc]

I vote to have fuel/gas tax removed, don't repair the roads. So our diesel offroad truck will be worth alot!

[M John Galt]

Fuel tax revenue has nothing to do with repairing roads. All tax money goes into general revenue; roads compete for their budget just like everything else.

[79fj40moneypit]

Diesel in Colchester Ct. is $4.40 gal today

[83bj60]

Originally Posted by M John Galt

Fuel tax revenue has nothing to do with repairing roads.

That, my Friend, Is WRONG, morally and ethically, it is an undemocratic way to divert tax monies from where the citizen needs it to where policymakers says we need it but don't want to pay for it.

If we need more money for social services, why don't we get from income tax? The road taxes are grossly unfair and affect only the working poor. I don't see anyone in their Porsche Cayenne going at 90km an hour on the highway...

[M John Galt]

Governments do lots of things that are morally and ethically wrong.

So??

People can complain all they want about high fuel prices and government policy, and it won't change anything.