HJ60 in California

Jan-78FJ40 · 08-06-04, 09:52 AM

More title questions:
Does anyone know if there is a problem bringing a HJ60 into California, that already has a US title? Are any vehicles banned due to the rather fascist vehicle laws in this state?
thanks for the help,
J

VTCruiser · 08-06-04, 06:28 PM

if its already titled in the US i don't imagine you will have a problem, unless there is some sort of strict emissions regs.....i don't live in CA though...

beanz2 · 08-07-04, 09:08 AM

Be careful, Henry Brimmer could not register his HJ60 in CA. It had OR plates.

Dave

Cruiseraddict · 08-19-04, 10:53 PM

diesels are smog exempt in california. I had no prob registering my bj-42

Jan-78FJ40 · 08-20-04, 09:42 AM

Here is the information I gathered after 5 trips to the DMV (with pictures of the ID plates) and numerous calls to the California Air resources Board:
VIN numbers with BJ in them can be registered, since Toyota supplied a letter at some point declaring that the B and 3B engines follow US emission requirements.
Diesels are smog excempt, but that does only mean that they do not need to undergo a smog test. It does not exclude them from having to follow CA emission requirements.
VIN numbers with HJ in them cannot be titled, unless they have a letter from toyota with them, stating they follow CA emission requiremnts.
A IF plate from a registered importer in the door jam can be interpreted as such, but it seems to depend on the inspector.

This is what I gathered the last weeks, it is not necessarily true, just experience.
I wonder if there are any HJ60s in California, the owners should be able to tell how they got them in!
thanks for all the comments!

Radd Cruisers · 08-20-04, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruiseraddict

diesels are smog exempt in california. I had no prob registering my bj-42

I also imported a BJ42 into Kali with no problem.

Is your Cruiser from New York?

Mike S · 08-20-04, 04:29 PM

I saw a couple diesels at Mudrak the other day. One was the 3BT, but I believe that other was an HJ60 with CA plates. When I asked Gary about registering this vehicle in CA, he said there was "...a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo". No idea what that means, except it prolly ain't a slam dunk.

Mike S

VTCruiser · 09-15-04, 08:22 PM

welcome dogstarmessanger!

got some pics of the HJ? I brought mine down from Toronto.

drexx · 09-19-04, 06:48 PM

20Sep2004 (UTC +8)

I registered my HDJ-80 in California last year, with expired Colorado plates

after driving all the way from Denver (Hooters

) without my CA driver's license (accidentally left it, but got it by mail soon after)... no problem... just hassled the DMV folks for a little bit 'coz my VIN is not regular (no turbo-diesel 80-series appeared on their computer, so I had to get a CA Highway Patrol clearance). I immediately had a comprehensive driver's insurance (same value as an FZJ-80 only though) from AAA. My HDJ-80 is smog-exempt in CA... used to average 27mpg but now only 20mpg with the 35" MTR's, body armor, winch and many other stuff.

But after I sell my house there in San Jose (CA), it's coming home to me here in the Philippines (to be re-united with my UZJ-100).

beanz2 · 09-19-04, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drexx

20Sep2004 (UTC +8)

But after I sell my house there in San Jose (CA), it's coming home to me here in the Philippines (to be re-united with my UZJ-100).

Bwaaaaah, we are losing another rare beast....

Dave

VTCruiser · 09-27-04, 07:28 AM

Drexx, great pics in your sig

zander · 09-28-04, 01:44 PM

dogstarmessenger,

I have a BJ70 here in Sausalito (just across the bay) also on Biodiesel. Maybe we should all have a get together.

RMP&O · 09-28-04, 02:31 PM

as with everything not normal in the USA it is best to check with DMV and other depatments before buying a truck. If you find something you want but are not sure if it can be legal in your state/town/village then give the seller a deposit with written contract saying it is refundable if it can't be regged in your area. Tell the seller to give you a week or so to check up on it and hold the deposit in the mean time. It will really suck to buy something and then find out you can't reg it in your area.

Other than that I think there are ways around everything...

cruiser_guy · 09-28-04, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drexx

20Sep2004 (UTC +8)

I registered my HDJ-80 in California last year, with expired Colorado plates

after driving all the way from Denver (Hooters

) without my CA driver's license (accidentally left it, but got it by mail soon after)... no problem... just hassled the DMV folks for a little bit 'coz my VIN is not regular (no turbo-diesel 80-series appeared on their computer, so I had to get a CA Highway Patrol clearance). I immediately had a comprehensive driver's insurance (same value as an FZJ-80 only though) from AAA. My HDJ-80 is smog-exempt in CA... used to average 27mpg but now only 20mpg with the 35" MTR's, body armor, winch and many other stuff.

But after I sell my house there in San Jose (CA), it's coming home to me here in the Philippines (to be re-united with my UZJ-100).

It seems to me that if you have been able to register and title the HDJ-80 in the U.S. legally it would be worth it to sell it here where they are unobtainium and buy another in the Phillipines. You'd probably have a lot of coin left in your pocket when the dust settles.

Radd Cruisers · 10-04-04, 03:07 PM

Nice work, are you sharing the name of the RI you worked with?

Jan-78FJ40 · 10-04-04, 03:54 PM

Congrats dog!
Maybe trying is the way to go. I was discouraged by all the talk about emission standarts. I actually talked to DMV and air resource board people, but maybe just not to the right ones.
However, I will try to register a BJ70 next month. keep your fingers crossed.

henry Brimmer, the former editor of Toyota Trails, tried long and hard with an HJ60, and finally failed.

seems all pretty inconsisten, but since there are a number of HJs here, it can be done.

VTCruiser · 10-04-04, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogstarmessenger

I just got my California title for my HJ60 in the mail !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I imported it from BC about 2 months ago
Proof that its not not much trouble------just go thru a RI
it only wound up costing me 900$ CAD and that was for customs and the RI fee
not a bad deal at all-It did cost me some time though as I drove up there in my FJ62 and drove the vehicle back myself. which seems to be the way to go if you want to keep the cost down and not have a difficuct time with customs!
I would be interested to know why others have had trouble here in Cali.
Now Im getting ready to bring a BJ70 down
Diesels rule!!!!!!!

NICE, how about some pics?

keep us posted with the 70 series....do they pass the safety stds?

dogstarmessenger · 10-04-04, 04:20 PM

Just talked with my RI (PNTRI) out of Kelowna BC and he said the BJ70 VIN is good to go!!!!!!
Dont know why Mr brimmer had such problems
I think it all depends on the DMV and the RI,I guess I got a good combo!
I live in a fairly rural area of No.california in Mendocino Co. and I went to the small friendly DMV in Garberville Ca. which is an hour north of me in Humboldt Co. I dont think I would have tried a major city such as LA or SF just for the long lines alone!!
Also the first three RI's that I talked to proved themselves to be pretty worthless,talking in circles about EPA and DOT and Toyota
Then I called PNT and Trevor there hooked it up ,with no problem
I already broke down the cost but I didnt tell yall what that included-
Paperwork waiting at the border thru a brokerige house all filled out and waiting for me
Compliance letters from EPA,DOT,NHSTA and stickers stating it had been officially imported by a RI
I cant seem to post my pics --------- someone please HELP
Thanks

beanz2 · 10-04-04, 09:39 PM

Congrats dogstarmessenger, we should hold a gathering of 70 series cruisers here in Northern CA. Let's shoot for summer '05. We'll pick a trail that even a stock 70 series can tackle.

To attach pics, click the "manage attachments" button below when you reply. If it is still a problem PM me and I'll post your pics.

Dave

dogstarmessenger · 10-05-04, 09:42 AM

Hey it just wont let me load my pics or send a PM
any suggestions or could I email my photos to someone so that they could post them
Thanks
B

wesintl · 10-05-04, 09:52 AM

your attachement is probably too large.. they need to under 100 or 150 KB...

Nice work on the HJ

dogstarmessenger · 10-05-04, 10:41 AM

some pics

dogstarmessenger · 10-05-04, 10:44 AM

almost got it right

wesintl · 10-05-04, 10:50 AM

compress pixel to 640x 480 should be enough and try to keep the aspect ratio so it doesn't distort. what are they raw?

Ahh.. There you go.. just saw the last one.. SWEET!!

dogstarmessenger · 10-05-04, 10:54 AM

Thanks took a while but now I got it
wanna see more?

wesintl · 10-05-04, 11:11 AM

post em up

drexx · 10-06-04, 09:22 AM

06Oct2004 (UTC +8)

Some of my grey HDJ-80's pics are in http://www.pbase.com/drexx/pmc_swapmeet2003 and http://www.pbase.com/drexx/hdj80_hhills05jul2003

drexx · 10-06-04, 09:29 AM

06Oct2004 (UTC +8)

And then there's this guy we met at Pismo Beach: http://www.pbase.com/drexx/image/12751266 a coupla years ago...

gifu · 10-06-04, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drexx

06Oct2004 (UTC +8)

And then there's this guy we met at Pismo Beach: http://www.pbase.com/drexx/image/12751266 a coupla years ago...

yeah yeah, i just saw that guy the other day. from israel. his HZJ78(?) now sports a turbo, an OME lift, ARB front bumper, 4x4labs rear, and... he shipped it to south africa for a camper-conversion (!)... he lives on the Peninsula in the bay area.

we should have a nor-cal stinky cruiser gathering for all the oil burners.

beanz2 · 10-06-04, 04:42 PM

08-06-04, 09:52 AM	#1
Jan-78FJ40 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,439	HJ60 in California More title questions: Does anyone know if there is a problem bringing a HJ60 into California, that already has a US title? Are any vehicles banned due to the rather fascist vehicle laws in this state? thanks for the help, J

08-06-04, 06:28 PM	#2
VTCruiser IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vermont TLCA# 15472 Posts: 2,658	if its already titled in the US i don't imagine you will have a problem, unless there is some sort of strict emissions regs.....i don't live in CA though... __________________ Project Overland Build - Updated 8/1/08 UpstateCruisers.net "Goes where the golden trout are."

08-20-04, 04:29 PM	#7
Mike S IH8MUD Lifer - No Appeal Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,497	I saw a couple diesels at Mudrak the other day. One was the 3BT, but I believe that other was an HJ60 with CA plates. When I asked Gary about registering this vehicle in CA, he said there was "...a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo". No idea what that means, except it prolly ain't a slam dunk. Mike S __________________ '96 FZJ80, locked, Hanna sliders, ARB bumper, Kaymar rear with spare carrier, 45 gallon Longranger aux fuel tank, OBA, Hella 4000's, OME lift, 285/75/R16 Revos & AutoHome Maggiolina rooftop tent, etc. Custom Cruiser trailer with OverLand tent www.AutoHomeUS.com TLCA Member #14874

09-15-04, 08:22 PM	#8
VTCruiser IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vermont TLCA# 15472 Posts: 2,658	welcome dogstarmessanger! got some pics of the HJ? I brought mine down from Toronto. __________________ Project Overland Build - Updated 8/1/08 UpstateCruisers.net "Goes where the golden trout are."

09-19-04, 06:48 PM	#9
drexx IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 536	20Sep2004 (UTC +8) I registered my HDJ-80 in California last year, with expired Colorado plates after driving all the way from Denver (Hooters ) without my CA driver's license (accidentally left it, but got it by mail soon after)... no problem... just hassled the DMV folks for a little bit 'coz my VIN is not regular (no turbo-diesel 80-series appeared on their computer, so I had to get a CA Highway Patrol clearance). I immediately had a comprehensive driver's insurance (same value as an FZJ-80 only though) from AAA. My HDJ-80 is smog-exempt in CA... used to average 27mpg but now only 20mpg with the 35" MTR's, body armor, winch and many other stuff. But after I sell my house there in San Jose (CA), it's coming home to me here in the Philippines (to be re-united with my UZJ-100). __________________ Drexx Laggui - TLCA; 4x4PH UZJ-100; FZJ-80L; FZJ-80; HZJ-80L; LN-166 Metro Manila, Philippines Action and adventure pics! UZJ-100W; FZJ-80L; HDJ-80L specs

08-07-04, 09:08 AM	#3
beanz2 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,126	Be careful, Henry Brimmer could not register his HJ60 in CA. It had OR plates. Dave

08-19-04, 10:53 PM	#4
Cruiseraddict IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 102	diesels are smog exempt in california. I had no prob registering my bj-42

08-20-04, 09:42 AM	#5
Jan-78FJ40 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,439	Here is the information I gathered after 5 trips to the DMV (with pictures of the ID plates) and numerous calls to the California Air resources Board: VIN numbers with BJ in them can be registered, since Toyota supplied a letter at some point declaring that the B and 3B engines follow US emission requirements. Diesels are smog excempt, but that does only mean that they do not need to undergo a smog test. It does not exclude them from having to follow CA emission requirements. VIN numbers with HJ in them cannot be titled, unless they have a letter from toyota with them, stating they follow CA emission requiremnts. A IF plate from a registered importer in the door jam can be interpreted as such, but it seems to depend on the inspector. This is what I gathered the last weeks, it is not necessarily true, just experience. I wonder if there are any HJ60s in California, the owners should be able to tell how they got them in! thanks for all the comments!

09-27-04, 07:28 AM	#11
VTCruiser IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vermont TLCA# 15472 Posts: 2,658	Drexx, great pics in your sig __________________ Project Overland Build - Updated 8/1/08 UpstateCruisers.net "Goes where the golden trout are."

09-28-04, 01:44 PM	#12
zander IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 344	dogstarmessenger, I have a BJ70 here in Sausalito (just across the bay) also on Biodiesel. Maybe we should all have a get together. __________________ Zander Need a 12ht Vaccuum Diaphragm valve please help! - Domestic, clean, available now: Biodiesel (click for info) HJ60 12H-T, Extreme Transmission & frame swap thread Custom aluminum bumper project

09-28-04, 02:31 PM	#13
RMP&O IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: BFE Posts: 46	as with everything not normal in the USA it is best to check with DMV and other depatments before buying a truck. If you find something you want but are not sure if it can be legal in your state/town/village then give the seller a deposit with written contract saying it is refundable if it can't be regged in your area. Tell the seller to give you a week or so to check up on it and hold the deposit in the mean time. It will really suck to buy something and then find out you can't reg it in your area. Other than that I think there are ways around everything... __________________ RMP&O

10-04-04, 03:07 PM	#15
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10-04-04, 03:54 PM	#16
Jan-78FJ40 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,439	Congrats dog! Maybe trying is the way to go. I was discouraged by all the talk about emission standarts. I actually talked to DMV and air resource board people, but maybe just not to the right ones. However, I will try to register a BJ70 next month. keep your fingers crossed. henry Brimmer, the former editor of Toyota Trails, tried long and hard with an HJ60, and finally failed. seems all pretty inconsisten, but since there are a number of HJs here, it can be done.

10-04-04, 04:20 PM	#18
dogstarmessenger IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 86	Just talked with my RI (PNTRI) out of Kelowna BC and he said the BJ70 VIN is good to go!!!!!! Dont know why Mr brimmer had such problems I think it all depends on the DMV and the RI,I guess I got a good combo! I live in a fairly rural area of No.california in Mendocino Co. and I went to the small friendly DMV in Garberville Ca. which is an hour north of me in Humboldt Co. I dont think I would have tried a major city such as LA or SF just for the long lines alone!! Also the first three RI's that I talked to proved themselves to be pretty worthless,talking in circles about EPA and DOT and Toyota Then I called PNT and Trevor there hooked it up ,with no problem I already broke down the cost but I didnt tell yall what that included- Paperwork waiting at the border thru a brokerige house all filled out and waiting for me Compliance letters from EPA,DOT,NHSTA and stickers stating it had been officially imported by a RI I cant seem to post my pics --------- someone please HELP Thanks

10-04-04, 09:39 PM	#19
beanz2 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,126	Congrats dogstarmessenger, we should hold a gathering of 70 series cruisers here in Northern CA. Let's shoot for summer '05. We'll pick a trail that even a stock 70 series can tackle. To attach pics, click the "manage attachments" button below when you reply. If it is still a problem PM me and I'll post your pics. Dave

10-05-04, 09:52 AM	#21
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,487	your attachement is probably too large.. they need to under 100 or 150 KB... Nice work on the HJ __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound

10-05-04, 11:11 AM	#26
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,487	post em up __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound

10-05-04, 09:42 AM	#20
dogstarmessenger IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 86	Hey it just wont let me load my pics or send a PM any suggestions or could I email my photos to someone so that they could post them Thanks B

10-05-04, 10:41 AM	#22
dogstarmessenger IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 86	some pics Attached Images

10-05-04, 10:44 AM	#23
dogstarmessenger IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 86	almost got it right Attached Images

10-05-04, 10:50 AM	#24
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,487	compress pixel to 640x 480 should be enough and try to keep the aspect ratio so it doesn't distort. what are they raw? Ahh.. There you go.. just saw the last one.. SWEET!! __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound

10-05-04, 10:54 AM	#25
dogstarmessenger IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 86	Thanks took a while but now I got it wanna see more?

10-06-04, 09:22 AM	#27
drexx IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 536	06Oct2004 (UTC +8) Some of my grey HDJ-80's pics are in http://www.pbase.com/drexx/pmc_swapmeet2003 and http://www.pbase.com/drexx/hdj80_hhills05jul2003 __________________ Drexx Laggui - TLCA; 4x4PH UZJ-100; FZJ-80L; FZJ-80; HZJ-80L; LN-166 Metro Manila, Philippines Action and adventure pics! UZJ-100W; FZJ-80L; HDJ-80L specs

10-06-04, 09:29 AM	#28
drexx IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 536	06Oct2004 (UTC +8) And then there's this guy we met at Pismo Beach: http://www.pbase.com/drexx/image/12751266 a coupla years ago... __________________ Drexx Laggui - TLCA; 4x4PH UZJ-100; FZJ-80L; FZJ-80; HZJ-80L; LN-166 Metro Manila, Philippines Action and adventure pics! UZJ-100W; FZJ-80L; HDJ-80L specs

10-06-04, 04:42 PM	#30
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