Where to get parts for a FJ to 2H swap?......

[moondog]

So I'm getting ready to swap the drivetrain from my '87 Canadian HJ into an '84 FJ and am wondering what parts I need for the swap and where to get them? I've been reading up on the subject and am currently leaning toward going 12V after the swap....both trucks are complete so my options are open. As I understand it, to do this I need to get a 12V alternator and starter from Oz, do I need a new EDIC too? And where can I order them from? I was also wondering where to get new 2H motor mounts? Probably won't get started on the swap for another couple of months, sorta just trying to gather parts and information at this point. Any other advice, suggestions, experience anyone has would be greatly appreciated - I've never done any project this complicated on any vehicle. Thanks!

[rchalmers3]

Wayneraintree described his swap: http://forum.ih8mud.com/diesel-tech-...f-2h-swap.html

However, I believe he was performing a manual to manual swap.

I recently made the exact swap you are contemplating. ('86 HJ60 auto with 2H to '83 FJ60 with 4 speed) Currently the entire swap is photo and word documented on my business blog: Adventure Motors Costa Rica

Resizing all the photos I took for posting on the forum is a pain in the a$$. I wish the forum site would give us an automatic routine...

I used Specter Off Road for the conversion parts. I have PN#s and prices for your budget analysis... Can't say enough about Marv and company, they really take care of their clients and are interested in growing their business in the area of diesel conversions.

Best wishes to you and your Toyota enjoyment on this Christmas day. I'll be following your thread and I'll be available to you here on the forum.

Rick

[Henry James the 47th]

I have some parts for sale - check out my listing in the classifieds:

http://forum.ih8mud.com/diesel-jdm-p...ine-parts.html

I have a 12v. EDIC set up as well as the engine mounts to suit 60 series. PM me if you're interested.

If you choose to go 24v. I can obtain the relays and timer for that as well.

[circle456]

This is how we installed a 12HT into a 1986 FJ60; cut off original 2F motor mount brackets from the frame, ground smooth and primed/painted. Put Diesel motor mounts on the 12HT with frame brackets attached and set onto rear (transmission) mount while suspending the front of engine from hoist. Then installed radiator. We then positioned the front of engine to center on the radiator and tack welded the brackets to the frame. Disconnected new motor mounts from frame brackets. Next took the engine back out and finished welding the motor mount brackets, ground smooth the welds, primed/painted. Next reinstalled the engine, now properly positioned.

Our new motor mounts, 2 for the engine and 1 for the rear at the transmission, along with frame brackets, were supplied by G & S Cruisers in B.C. when we purchased the 12HT / 5 spd transmission.

I hope this helps for guidance - it worked fine on my install.

[Wayneraintree]

Great swap!

I ordered motor mounts from SOR.. decent price. They also have other parts pertinent for your app.

I converted my 12V FJ tp 24V cause I had everything to do it, as well as the time. It was not too bad, most everything was straight forward. I converted my 12V rear heater to 24V heater by swapping the blower motor...

My friend and I installed the 2H with new mounts bolted to the brackets, onto the 5-speed (that was already in my FJ), we had already cleaned and prepped the frame for welding, and then burned the braclets in with everything in place exactly where they contacted the frame. It was not too bad.

If you stay 12V, you'll need 12V glowplugs....

also, you need a standalone vacuum pump or a 12V diesel alt. with pump on the back since the 24V one has the pump.

I went 24V because I had everything to do it, parts are not too hard to source, and the pump on the back of the alt. 12V parts from OZ or S.America were expensive with shipping : (

I got bulbs from 4wheel auto from canada, belts from them too.... they even have a complete rebuild kit for the 2H I believe.

Our fellow mudders hooked me up with a spare 24V alt. w/pump and recently, the last piece to my puzzle, a 24V windshield spray motor : + )

Feel free to PM me if I can help at all. The wiring swap took two straight days, not bad at all IMHO!

[In2cruisers]

moondog,
Your easiest source is OZ. or Central America for the 12v stuff.
If you do go to 12v, I would be interested in your 24v stuff for spares. Please let me know. If you have questions on the swap let me know....did mine not to long ago

Chris

[Wayneraintree]

Originally Posted by In2cruisers

If you do go to 12v, I would be interested in your 24v stuff for spares. Please let me know. Chris

In2 was irreplaceable with advice on my swap

Tanks again mang!

Put me in line for spares if you do go hybrid harness 12V TIA...

[moondog]

Henry - Pm'd you.

Wayneraintree - Why did you decide to go 24V? Aside from starting easier in the cold, what advantages are there?

Chris - Can I just order the 12V stuff from Toyota in Oz or Central America?

The drivetrain is coming out of the '87 HJ that I've been driving for the last year - (5spd. with a rebuilt engine) so I have all of the stuff to keep it 24V, it just seems like in the long run it would be easier to have it be 12V. The reason for the swap is that the frame on the HJ is super rusty. The FJ is also complete so I have all of the 12V stuff too. I'm sure I'll have a ton more questions soon - right now I'm just trying to get everything together that I'll need to do it. There will be all sorts of parts up for grabs too....but not for another couple of months.

[In2cruisers]

Moondog
Try ebay OZ there are a few regular sellers that you can contact directly and order what you need (used) and when they get it all together they will contact you

C

[Wayneraintree]

Well, I went 24V because I had all the parts from the donor HJ and did not want to purchase 12V starter, glowplugs, and alt. w/pump. I knew I could sell the 24V stuff but the 12V stuff was adding up to well over $500. Then I would need spares, which also cost dough. So i figured since I had all the stuff, 24V stuff is available on 70 series as well as 40 and 60 series from Canada, in the long run I could make it work.

Someone told me the amperage draw is easier on the parts so they last longer in a 24V set-up also...

again, the write up http://forum.ih8mud.com/diesel-tech-...f-2h-swap.html

[moondog]

Would it be possible to use any of the 12v stuff from a 12v BJ60? Also has anyone out there ever installed a 24v to 12v switcher in an LC- so that it starts on 24v and operates on 12v?

[rchalmers3]

Originally Posted by moondog

Would it be possible to use any of the 12v stuff from a 12v BJ60? Also has anyone out there ever installed a 24v to 12v switcher in an LC- so that it starts on 24v and operates on 12v?

Why?

If you have a complete Canadian truck, why are you contemplating making an expensive hash out of it?

What are your concerns about operating a 24v vehicle?


Rick

[rchalmers3]

BTW, I found that my 24v Canadian '86 HJ60 had a 12v tap off the first battery in the series. I know the 12v tap powers at least the headlights. What more remains to be discovered. When I receive the trucks next month (they are being shipped to me) I will investigate the dual voltage further. I want to know the power capacity of the tap and what more I can use this 12v source for: (cig. lighter, radio, C/D player, ect).

Rick

[In2cruisers]

I went back and forth with this............till I finally talked with a auto electric guy..he said first...does it work well now? ...2... why fu@k with it, you can do it but when it goes wrong...you will have a terrrible time figuring out any problems...so.go all 12v or 24v.....

[Wayneraintree]

I agree, go all 12 or 24..... a hybrid harness is a departure from how Toyota intended a rig to work. For simplicity, just go one way or the other. Seems like 24V parts are not that unavailable, specifically with places like MUD, etc. I am having luck personally.

[CDN_Cruzer]

Originally Posted by Wayneraintree

I agree, go all 12 or 24..... a hybrid harness is a departure from how Toyota intended a rig to work. For simplicity, just go one way or the other. Seems like 24V parts are not that unavailable, specifically with places like MUD, etc. I am having luck personally.

X2

I have a JDM HJ60 (highroof and sunroof moondog ) and it's all 24V it's pretty easy to get 24V parts. MY friend has a Canadian HJ60 (24V except headlights) and the PO had all sorts of stuff hooked up to the low side on the battery and it's caused nothing but problems

Just make sure you have a Good 12v setup to run any accessories you want and you won't have any problems.

[rchalmers3]

moondog,

Update on your thoughts/plans?

Rick

[rutbeer]

I went all 12v in my diesel swap because my truck was already 12v. I agreed....no reason to mix the system and the cost of another optima and converter was the same as going all 12v. No need to order from australia, I just ordered up some us model minitruck 12v parts and swapped them out. See details in my thread (sig line link).

[moondog]

Originally Posted by rchalmers3

moondog,

Update on your thoughts/plans?

Rick

Probably going to go all 12v, but I haven't gotten started on anything yet as I'm kinda in the process of moving and despite it's crusty rusty frame, my stock HJ runs like a champ. I'm also sorta waiting to see if my brother is going to be able to come out and help me with the swap because I'm kind of dreading attempting it alone.

So would the 12v starter, alternator and other stuff from a 12v BJ work for the swap? I ask because I happen to have one sitting in a field.

[rchalmers3]

Gawd, I wish there were old 'Cruisers out in the field around me! Lucky bastid!

I cannot answer whether 3b electrical parts interchange with 2h.

Best wishes and keep us posted. Photos when you have the chance, please!

Rick

[watrob]

Moondag,

This is what your 2H will look like in a FJ40 chassis.

Make sure you mount it in the right place, to far back it will hit your firewall, to far forward and front grill won't meet your gaurds.

IF you need any info on the install give me a PM.

[Tofudebeest]

Try these two places:
4 Wheel Auto Wholesale -LANDCRUISER PARTS (Kevin, Dan and Don, great guys)
or
G&S Cruiser Parts (Greg and Sheldon, also very helpful)

Both are Canadian, and they stock diesel parts. Both MUCH cheaper than $OR and have better inventory ofr non-us parts.

[moondog]

Originally Posted by watrob

Moondag,

This is what your 2H will look like in a FJ40 chassis.

Make sure you mount it in the right place, to far back it will hit your firewall, to far forward and front grill won't meet your gaurds.

IF you need any info on the install give me a PM.

That would look nice too....but my 2H is going into a 60 series