HJ60 in the USA

hks3sgte · 11-16-07, 12:19 PM

I have seen a couple of these Land Cruisers that are really less than 25 years old but are titled in the US as 25 years or older. What do you guys think about actually having this kind of thing work? And how do they do it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-...QQcmdZViewItem

apocalypsegrrrl · 11-16-07, 12:39 PM

It says right on the ad how this guy did it. It's a 1984 "titled in NZ as a 1980." It's got fake VIN tags on it. The problem with this is, you've got to hope and pray that when you change the title on it, nobody figures out what's happened. Then if you get a title, don't ever get in a fender bender or somebody can do a little research, which they probably will, since it's RHD and obviously funky. Then they find out you're driving an illegally imported and licensed vehicle, you get sued and your Landcruiser gets confiscated. Be very careful!

There are some legally imported from Canada floating around. I had people offer to swap VIN tags for me when I was shopping for my rig, but it's too risky.

jmylie · 11-16-07, 12:40 PM

My 86 HJ60 was brought in legally by the PO as his personal vehicle. So there are LHD HJ60's in the US.

Not sure about a 84 registered as a 80, that sounds questionable as it has a 13 digit VIN number that would not match up to the 1980 date. That may depend on how finicky your DMV is.

The VIN indicates a H60 not HJ, so it does not have the 2H diesel but the earlier H.

However, I would question anyone who said "and it is fast!" and "plenty of acceleration thru the gears". Not in a HJ60 or a H60. Yes, I can drive 65 to 80 on the highway but it will take a bit to get there.

If it does have a clear SC title, you should be able to get it registered in SC.

Diesel Weasel · 11-16-07, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jmylie

My 86 HJ60 was brought in legally by the PO as his personal vehicle. So there are LHD HJ60's in the US.

Not sure about a 84 registered as a 80, that sounds questionable as it has a 13 digit VIN number that would not match up to the 1980 date. That may depend on how finicky your DMV is.

The VIN indicates a H60 not HJ, so it does not have the 2H diesel but the earlier H.

However, I would question anyone who said "and it is fast!" and "plenty of acceleration thru the gears". Not in a HJ60 or a H60. Yes, I can drive 65 to 80 on the highway but it will take a bit to get there.

If it does have a clear SC title, you should be able to get it registered in SC.

Yeah, bringing an HJ60, or any truck for that matter, legally into the US that was built for the Canadian market is no problem, doesn't need to be 25yrs. Now, bringing a RHD HJ60 from NZ is another story, that's where the VIN switch needs to happen to get the 25yrs.

hks3sgte · 11-16-07, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jmylie

The VIN indicates a H60 not HJ, so it does not have the 2H diesel but the earlier H.

It's an HJ60 with the 2H engine. The H was never available in the 60 series.

SurfPonto · 11-16-07, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jmylie

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However, I would question anyone who said "and it is fast!" and "plenty of acceleration thru the gears". ...

Funny I was thinking the same thing. Interesting truck though. Always liked the high roofs on the non-usa 60 series.

hks3sgte · 11-21-07, 04:57 PM

It's at 17K and reserve still not met. I don't know. Even if it was possible to be registered here, I would rather pay that much for an HJ61 with turbo diesel and cable locks.

quinny · 11-21-07, 09:04 PM

17 k! Wow. If anyone knows where you can get fender mirrors like that I would love to know. I carry alot on the roof and it would be nice to keep an eye on it.

hks3sgte · 11-21-07, 10:26 PM

japan4x4 on this board can get them for you. I'm sure MOT can also.

hks3sgte · 11-21-07, 10:27 PM

http://forum.ih8mud.com/showpost.php...1&postcount=10

roscoFJ73 · 11-21-07, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by quinny

17 k! Wow. If anyone knows where you can get fender mirrors like that I would love to know. I carry alot on the roof and it would be nice to keep an eye on it.

Apart from the title there is some other odd things about this. If its a NZ vehicle it should have slider windows like the aussie ones.
But it has fixed windows with the bar to protect the windows like the Japanese models.
The bull bar is a design like the Japanese spec vehicles have also.
And the forward mounted mirrors are also a Japanese thing.

It says its titled as a 1980 model in NZ . Thats weird because I would have thought the NZ govt would be checking the frame and plate numbers.
The vehicle would have to go through a total rebirth to achieve that ,which mean using another deceased vehicles particulars

The VIN number is missing the J after the H because they all read HJ60 on the frame.

watrob · 11-22-07, 02:48 AM

It's a japanese import, we get them in Australia all the time. The give away is the mirrors on the guards.

It could have even gone from Japan to Australia first then to NZ. There's a big push on in Australia by the Toyota dealers about spare parts for these imports. They ask for a vin number and when it's not an Australian vin they won't sell you the parts. Not all the dealer but some.

It's cutting into there used car sales because the imports are cheaper.

It's no different than BMW, go in and ask for a M3 part like a M3 badge and you give them a normal 3 series vin number they won't sell you the part, people were trying to turn there normal 3 series into look alike M3's.

quinny · 11-22-07, 10:13 PM

Thankyou hks3!

hks3sgte · 11-28-07, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by quinny

Thankyou hks3!

you're welcome.

Seller dropped the price to 16k

any U.S. guys wanna buy it?

MaxHJ60 · 11-28-07, 04:27 PM

Dear friends,
I have two HJ60 with 2H diesel motor. This 2H motor is "1 milion km motor". Just change the oil and filters. Have just 104 HP and 177 Nm torq but is verry durable motor.

Max
Romania

roscoFJ73 · 11-28-07, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MaxHJ60

Dear friends,
I have two HJ60 with 2H diesel motor. This 2H motor is "1 milion km motor". Just change the oil and filters. Have just 104 CP and 177 Nm torq but si verry durable motor.

Max
Romania

Hi Max ,are there many 60 series in Romania and are they LH or RH drive?

MaxHJ60 · 11-28-07, 05:07 PM

Not many, just maximum 20 and all is LH drive.

southpaw26 · 12-01-07, 09:02 AM

He now has the truck listed with a lower price than what it originally brought. This whole truck sounds fishy to me. I would stay away from it, far away. My friend had a TDI Defender that got taken away by customs because it was an illegal import, and he is not even the one that imported it. Still there was nothing he could do about it. He lost $28k on the whole deal. It has been over a year and he still is trying to get some money back from the guy he bought it from.

roscoFJ73 · 12-01-07, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by southpaw26

He now has the truck listed with a lower price than what it originally brought. This whole truck sounds fishy to me. I would stay away from it, far away. My friend had a TDI Defender that got taken away by customs because it was an illegal import, and he is not even the one that imported it. Still there was nothing he could do about it. He lost $28k on the whole deal. It has been over a year and he still is trying to get some money back from the guy he bought it from.

I can see the same thing happening with this one as well with the seller openly broadcasting the title situation on the net

southpaw26 · 12-02-07, 03:01 PM

What a douche bag! this guy has now pulled that listing and relisted it as just a "1980", so now if someone does buy it and can't get it registered they will be out a whole lot of money, and not even know why (here is the item#180187990474).

roscoFJ73 · 12-02-07, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by southpaw26

What a douche bag! this guy has now pulled that listing and relisted it as just a "1980", so now if someone does buy it and can't get it registered they will be out a whole lot of money, and not even know why (here is the item#180187990474).

LOL I sent him a message asking about the legalities of falsifying the year of manufacturer and this is the answer I got from the seller.

"If its an 84 but titled as an 80 ,can customs confiscate the vehicle and crush it? Ive heard of it happening to others."

He's an ass

Someone send him off another" We Know What You Did Last Summer" message LOL

Waggoner5 · 12-02-07, 04:46 PM

I was thinking the same thing as I posted mine. That was a stretch to be legal. Obviously his buddies were bidding if its re-listed for less than it sold for. It took several months and a butt load of cash to get mine legal as exactly what it is. 87 HJ61.

southpaw26 · 12-02-07, 08:27 PM

Wow this guy is a ass. I e-mailed him just to let him know that if he sells it to someone in another state they may have big problems. And he was a total jerk to me also. I think everyone here should go to the bottom of the page and click report this item as he is a jerk.

Waggoner5 · 12-02-07, 08:37 PM

Wish it was that easy.

southpaw26 · 12-02-07, 08:55 PM

Actually it is just that easy. Scroll to the bottom of the listing and under "other options" click report this item.

roscoFJ73 · 12-02-07, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by southpaw26

Actually it is just that easy. Scroll to the bottom of the listing and under "other options" click report this item.

I dont think ebay would be too interested in paperwork and documentation problems . As long as its not a Nigerian scam ,a stolen vehicle or something that could come back and bite them,they'll let it go.

This guy is really putting himself in a bad position because someone can virtually name their price and if he doesn't agree they can go and tell tales at the customs office.
He has already dropped it 2k so he is starting to sweat

apocalypsegrrrl · 12-02-07, 10:03 PM

smells like Mushro...(Vintage Offroad) He offered to get me a similar rig: similar fishy import. I googled him and got a nosefull of stink real fast.

hks3sgte · 12-03-07, 10:26 AM

If anyone wants to spend money on a Diesel, buy the best... buy Gary's!

kim · 12-03-07, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmylie

However, I would question anyone who said "and it is fast!" and "plenty of acceleration thru the gears". Not in a HJ60 or a H60. Yes, I can drive 65 to 80 on the highway but it will take a bit to get there.

This guy has obviously never driven a 60 with a 2H.

Fast isn't a word you would use to describe the experience. Torquey perhaps but never fast.

marting · 12-10-07, 09:18 AM

If anyone is concidering buying RHD 60's from Newzealand ,japan or australia . I recommend you check out the market in scandinavia first.. there is always a few for sale here in Norway, And in denmark they have quite a few of them... Max from Romania: i'm pretty sure it's 240nm not 170 like you said.... might be 170lbft

11-16-07, 12:40 PM	#3
jmylie IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CT Posts: 381	My 86 HJ60 was brought in legally by the PO as his personal vehicle. So there are LHD HJ60's in the US. Not sure about a 84 registered as a 80, that sounds questionable as it has a 13 digit VIN number that would not match up to the 1980 date. That may depend on how finicky your DMV is. The VIN indicates a H60 not HJ, so it does not have the 2H diesel but the earlier H. However, I would question anyone who said "and it is fast!" and "plenty of acceleration thru the gears". Not in a HJ60 or a H60. Yes, I can drive 65 to 80 on the highway but it will take a bit to get there. If it does have a clear SC title, you should be able to get it registered in SC. __________________ Joe TLCA # 6363 Yankee Toys Gotham City Land Cruisers Connecticut Open Access Land Trust Northeast Association 4 Wheel Drive Clubs Tread Lightly - Tread Trainer National Off-Highway Conservation Council 1977 FJ55 - for fun (x2) 1979 FJ40 - the wife's 1986 HJ60 - my dd 2007 FJC - my second dd?

11-22-07, 02:48 AM	#12
watrob IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 544	It's a japanese import, we get them in Australia all the time. The give away is the mirrors on the guards. It could have even gone from Japan to Australia first then to NZ. There's a big push on in Australia by the Toyota dealers about spare parts for these imports. They ask for a vin number and when it's not an Australian vin they won't sell you the parts. Not all the dealer but some. It's cutting into there used car sales because the imports are cheaper. It's no different than BMW, go in and ask for a M3 part like a M3 badge and you give them a normal 3 series vin number they won't sell you the part, people were trying to turn there normal 3 series into look alike M3's. __________________ Rebuild 1974 FJ40 2F into a 1984 HJ43 2H Diesel. http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/173333-rebuild-my-fj40-1974-rhd-down-under.html

11-28-07, 04:27 PM	#15
MaxHJ60 IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Romania Posts: 7	Dear friends, I have two HJ60 with 2H diesel motor. This 2H motor is "1 milion km motor". Just change the oil and filters. Have just 104 HP and 177 Nm torq but is verry durable motor. Max Romania __________________ Landcruiser 4ever Last edited by MaxHJ60; 11-28-07 at 05:23 PM.

11-28-07, 05:07 PM	#17
MaxHJ60 IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Romania Posts: 7	Not many, just maximum 20 and all is LH drive. __________________ Landcruiser 4ever

12-02-07, 04:46 PM	#22
Waggoner5 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,290	I was thinking the same thing as I posted mine. That was a stretch to be legal. Obviously his buddies were bidding if its re-listed for less than it sold for. It took several months and a butt load of cash to get mine legal as exactly what it is. 87 HJ61. __________________ Gary Waggoner Golden, Co 1989 FJ62 SOA, 502 Mercruiser, ARBs Sold 1987 HJ61 SOA, Cable Locks, 39k miles Sold 1983 FJ40 sitting broke since 89 1965 FZJ45 Pickup on Slee 80 chassis 2003 Tacoma, ARB, OME, SC, TRD Sold 2007 100 series, ARB, OME, TLCA 10689 LSLC 2000 Rising Sun 2007 www.powerplayracing.net

11-16-07, 12:19 PM	#1
hks3sgte IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Los Ángeles, CA. Posts: 1,914	HJ60 in the USA I have seen a couple of these Land Cruisers that are really less than 25 years old but are titled in the US as 25 years or older. What do you guys think about actually having this kind of thing work? And how do they do it? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-...QQcmdZViewItem

11-16-07, 12:39 PM	#2
apocalypsegrrrl IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 128	It says right on the ad how this guy did it. It's a 1984 "titled in NZ as a 1980." It's got fake VIN tags on it. The problem with this is, you've got to hope and pray that when you change the title on it, nobody figures out what's happened. Then if you get a title, don't ever get in a fender bender or somebody can do a little research, which they probably will, since it's RHD and obviously funky. Then they find out you're driving an illegally imported and licensed vehicle, you get sued and your Landcruiser gets confiscated. Be very careful! There are some legally imported from Canada floating around. I had people offer to swap VIN tags for me when I was shopping for my rig, but it's too risky.

11-21-07, 04:57 PM	#7
hks3sgte IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Los Ángeles, CA. Posts: 1,914	It's at 17K and reserve still not met. I don't know. Even if it was possible to be registered here, I would rather pay that much for an HJ61 with turbo diesel and cable locks.

11-21-07, 09:04 PM	#8
quinny IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cape Ann, MA Posts: 32	17 k! Wow. If anyone knows where you can get fender mirrors like that I would love to know. I carry alot on the roof and it would be nice to keep an eye on it.

11-21-07, 10:26 PM	#9
hks3sgte IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Los Ángeles, CA. Posts: 1,914	japan4x4 on this board can get them for you. I'm sure MOT can also.

11-21-07, 10:27 PM	#10
hks3sgte IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Los Ángeles, CA. Posts: 1,914	http://forum.ih8mud.com/showpost.php...1&postcount=10

11-22-07, 10:13 PM	#13
quinny IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cape Ann, MA Posts: 32	Thankyou hks3!

12-01-07, 09:02 AM	#18
southpaw26 IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 13	He now has the truck listed with a lower price than what it originally brought. This whole truck sounds fishy to me. I would stay away from it, far away. My friend had a TDI Defender that got taken away by customs because it was an illegal import, and he is not even the one that imported it. Still there was nothing he could do about it. He lost $28k on the whole deal. It has been over a year and he still is trying to get some money back from the guy he bought it from.

12-02-07, 03:01 PM	#20
southpaw26 IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 13	What a douche bag! this guy has now pulled that listing and relisted it as just a "1980", so now if someone does buy it and can't get it registered they will be out a whole lot of money, and not even know why (here is the item#180187990474).

12-02-07, 08:27 PM	#23
southpaw26 IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 13	Wow this guy is a ass. I e-mailed him just to let him know that if he sells it to someone in another state they may have big problems. And he was a total jerk to me also. I think everyone here should go to the bottom of the page and click report this item as he is a jerk. Last edited by southpaw26; 12-02-07 at 08:53 PM.

12-02-07, 08:37 PM	#24
Waggoner5 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,290	Wish it was that easy. __________________ Gary Waggoner Golden, Co 1989 FJ62 SOA, 502 Mercruiser, ARBs Sold 1987 HJ61 SOA, Cable Locks, 39k miles Sold 1983 FJ40 sitting broke since 89 1965 FZJ45 Pickup on Slee 80 chassis 2003 Tacoma, ARB, OME, SC, TRD Sold 2007 100 series, ARB, OME, TLCA 10689 LSLC 2000 Rising Sun 2007 www.powerplayracing.net

12-02-07, 08:55 PM	#25
southpaw26 IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 13	Actually it is just that easy. Scroll to the bottom of the listing and under "other options" click report this item.

12-02-07, 10:03 PM	#27
apocalypsegrrrl IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 128	smells like Mushro...(Vintage Offroad) He offered to get me a similar rig: similar fishy import. I googled him and got a nosefull of stink real fast.

12-03-07, 10:26 AM	#28
hks3sgte IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Los Ángeles, CA. Posts: 1,914	If anyone wants to spend money on a Diesel, buy the best... buy Gary's!

12-10-07, 09:18 AM	#30
marting IH8MUD Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: I live in Oslo.. the biggest village in Norway Posts: 299	If anyone is concidering buying RHD 60's from Newzealand ,japan or australia . I recommend you check out the market in scandinavia first.. there is always a few for sale here in Norway, And in denmark they have quite a few of them... Max from Romania: i'm pretty sure it's 240nm not 170 like you said.... might be 170lbft __________________ HJ60..OSLO