mystery diesel motor

Heartworm · 11-12-07, 08:40 PM

Hello to diesel guys! I have gas FJ60s and am clueless about diesels, but interested. Here is my question. While I was on a trip to Argentina this summer, we were transported in a late model Ford crew cab pickup that was a diesel. I got a very brief look under the hood and to my amazement, it was a straight six cylinder. Furthermore, unlike my F250 diesel here in the US, I could actually see the ground on both sides of the engine when I looked in the engine bay. The thing looked really simple as compared to my truck in the states.

Question#1: What do you think the motor was? It was obviously stock and the truck was badged Ford F150 even though it appeared to be the size of the US F250.

Question #2: Could an engine like that be found in the US?

Question #3: Could an engine like that fit easily in a FJ60?

watrob · 11-12-07, 09:11 PM

It won't be simply, if you want a diesel stick to a Toyota diesel, you also have to marry the gearbox to the diesel motor as the shafts are differents lengths and can have different spline counts to a gas motor.

So you need to get a diesel motor gearbox combination with toyata diesels. 60 series came out with 2H diesels and there is the turbo version the 12HT.

Also the 75 series came with diesel.

If you search the diesel thread there quite a few conversions to diesel so there should be some adapter plates for other brand of diesel motors. If it was me I would do a conversion that has been done before on this forum, would make it a lot easier for you.

Henry James the 47th · 11-12-07, 10:42 PM

"...60 series came out with 2H diesels..."

Actually, the 2H premiered in the last of the 40 series, the HJ47, at the same time as in the 60 series, though the precursor to the 2H, namely the H motor, saw service in the HJ45 trucks.

pantheas18_hj47 · 11-12-07, 10:53 PM

73 and 75 series also came with 3B, 13BT, 2H and 1HZ.
60 had 2H and 12HT
just so you know the 1 at the front means it is direct injection. the others are indirect.
My personal recomendation would be a 12HT

roscoFJ73 · 11-12-07, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heartworm

Hello to diesel guys! I have gas FJ60s and am clueless about diesels, but interested. Here is my question. While I was on a trip to Argentina this summer, we were transported in a late model Ford crew cab pickup that was a diesel. I got a very brief look under the hood and to my amazement, it was a straight six cylinder. Furthermore, unlike my F250 diesel here in the US, I could actually see the ground on both sides of the engine when I looked in the engine bay. The thing looked really simple as compared to my truck in the states.

Question#1: What do you think the motor was? It was obviously stock and the truck was badged Ford F150 even though it appeared to be the size of the US F250.

Question #2: Could an engine like that be found in the US?

Question #3: Could an engine like that fit easily in a FJ60?

It could have been a European Ford design or maybe a Nissan (United Diesel) implant.
There is no 6 cyl diesel car or 4wd engines in production anymore so it was probably a dedicated truck motor.

The easiest non toyota engine to install is a 6.5 chev diesel

mac · 11-12-07, 11:38 PM

There was an ebayer selling 6 cylinder diesels with PowerStroke on the valve cover a while back. They were from South or Central America (Venezula?) and were manufactured under licence to Ford. He was selling them fro something like 5grand and they seemed to be popular with the Rover crowd.

roscoFJ73 · 11-12-07, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac

There was an ebayer selling 6 cylinder diesels with PowerStroke on the valve cover a while back. They were from South or Central America (Venezula?) and were manufactured under licence to Ford. He was selling them fro something like 5grand and they seemed to be popular with the Rover crowd.

They were the V6 and a IH design I thought??

Dougal · 11-13-07, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by roscoFJ73

They were the V6 and a IH design I thought??

IH/Navistar redesign of the old rover 300TDI.
It's a 2.8L 4 banger.

But central america has plenty of engines which don't see the light of day in other places. Check out MWM and others.

lynchmob · 11-13-07, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by pantheas18_hj47

just so you know the 1 at the front means it is direct injection. the others are indirect.

This isnt always correct.
On the earlier engines 3B Vs 13B or 2H Vs 12HT the "1" does indicate direct injection.

The 1HZ is not direct injection. Toy uses a different naming convention for these overhead cammers - 1HD is direct injected.

watrob · 11-13-07, 05:31 AM

Around 1989 the 2H diesel went OHC, yes they did come out in the HJ45 & HJ47, then the 60 series, 75 series, the later 75 series got the OHC version. Very, very common in Australia, not so in the US I heard.

I prefer the diesels without computer application in a FJ40, when your out on the trial keep it simply I say.

HJ61TurboDiesel · 11-13-07, 08:33 AM

1HZ would fit your 5 speed h55f box (if you have one) from the 60 series. This providing you change the input axel into your gearbox. The 75 series came with this setup 2H/h55f.

I think this means that if you have a h55f with the different input axle you may put the turboed 4.2 litre (1HZ?) into it as well.

Both these solutions provide that you move the engine mountings on the frame.

dan1983 · 11-13-07, 10:11 AM

It is a 2.8L TGV made by MWM International motors. Old British Wheels of Canada imports them to North America. Advance Adapters makes an adapter kit for that allows you to mount it to anything you can mount a Chevy small block in. It is turbo charged and intercooled. It does not use a computer, it is direct injection. It makes 135hp at 3800rpm. It makes 276 foot pounds of torque at 1400rpm. It is Euro II emissions compliant. It weighs in at 208Kg or 458lbs.

Rig of Mortis · 11-13-07, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pantheas18_hj47

60 had 2H and 12HT

Just to add, the 60 series also came equipped with a 3B (in Canada).

Tapage · 11-13-07, 03:27 PM

Interesting how diferent engines come bring to life many diferent trucks and aplications. We never see a 6 in line engine in a F-250 .. but certanly most that we see here are V8 diesel ..

And for your 60 series .. 12H-T ..

roscoFJ73 · 11-13-07, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tapage

Interesting how diferent engines come bring to life many diferent trucks and aplications. We never see a 6 in line engine in a F-250 .. but certanly most that we see here are V8 diesel ..

And for your 60 series .. 12H-T ..

We had some F 250 in the 80s that had a diesel .It was a 5.9 inline 6 cyl I think. Possibly a International Harvester engine. They weren't fast anyway

nickwood48 · 11-13-07, 04:58 PM

See the following article posted by OBW up in Canada, first post, towards the bottom. He talks about a stock straight 6 in the F-250 in South America.

Interesting-

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...57133&t=436037

jasonmt · 11-13-07, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heartworm

Hello to diesel guys! I have gas FJ60s and am clueless about diesels, but interested. Here is my question. While I was on a trip to Argentina this summer, we were transported in a late model Ford crew cab pickup that was a diesel. I got a very brief look under the hood and to my amazement, it was a straight six cylinder. Furthermore, unlike my F250 diesel here in the US, I could actually see the ground on both sides of the engine when I looked in the engine bay. The thing looked really simple as compared to my truck in the states.

Question#1: What do you think the motor was? It was obviously stock and the truck was badged Ford F150 even though it appeared to be the size of the US F250.

Question #2: Could an engine like that be found in the US?

Question #3: Could an engine like that fit easily in a FJ60?

The Argentinean F100 is a rebadged Brazilian F250 which is a 2007 back US F250 with a 3.9L CUMMINS "B" 4 cyl 200HP engine (common rail) which replaced a 4.2L MWM Sprint inline 6 (which was a 6 cylinder version of the 2.8L PowerStroke) used previously:

http://translate.google.com/translat...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://www.motoresdiesel.com.au/Sprint%20brochure.pdf

http://www.motoresdiesel.com.au/Spri...cal%20Data.pdf

pantheas18_hj47 · 11-14-07, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pantheas18_hj47

73 and 75 series also came with 3B, 13BT, 2H and 1HZ.
60 had 2H and 12HT
just so you know the 1 at the front means it is direct injection. the others are indirect.
My personal recomendation would be a 12HT

thanks for the corrections boys. info similated chief!

11-12-07, 11:38 PM	#6
mac rust and moth consumables Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wet Coast Posts: 844	There was an ebayer selling 6 cylinder diesels with PowerStroke on the valve cover a while back. They were from South or Central America (Venezula?) and were manufactured under licence to Ford. He was selling them fro something like 5grand and they seemed to be popular with the Rover crowd. __________________ -Peter Mac- 1990 HDJ81 1997 40th 1967 Norton Atlas 1986 Yamaha RZ350 1996 Ducati 900SS SP Ya...it's like crack to me... www.bestinshowexhibits.com

11-13-07, 05:31 AM	#10
watrob IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 544	Around 1989 the 2H diesel went OHC, yes they did come out in the HJ45 & HJ47, then the 60 series, 75 series, the later 75 series got the OHC version. Very, very common in Australia, not so in the US I heard. I prefer the diesels without computer application in a FJ40, when your out on the trial keep it simply I say. __________________ Rebuild 1974 FJ40 2F into a 1984 HJ43 2H Diesel. http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=173333

11-13-07, 08:33 AM	#11
HJ61TurboDiesel IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: West coast of Norway Posts: 52	1HZ would fit your 5 speed h55f box (if you have one) from the 60 series. This providing you change the input axel into your gearbox. The 75 series came with this setup 2H/h55f. I think this means that if you have a h55f with the different input axle you may put the turboed 4.2 litre (1HZ?) into it as well. Both these solutions provide that you move the engine mountings on the frame. __________________ HJ60(1) 4 liter TurboDiesel. 10" Mickey Thompson, 33X12.5X15 Goodyear MT/R. Frame-off rebuild: full-floater rear. Brakes, hubs, steering, drive shafts, transfer, H55F and turbo rebuildt. PTO. Frame rust-free and galvanized, Working on rusty body %#!+? )%¤# Nordic Blue

11-13-07, 04:58 PM	#16
nickwood48 IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 50	Interesting article See the following article posted by OBW up in Canada, first post, towards the bottom. He talks about a stock straight 6 in the F-250 in South America. Interesting- http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...57133&t=436037 __________________ 1978 FJ40 mostly stock - 33x9.5

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11-12-07, 08:40 PM	#1
Heartworm IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 902	mystery diesel motor Hello to diesel guys! I have gas FJ60s and am clueless about diesels, but interested. Here is my question. While I was on a trip to Argentina this summer, we were transported in a late model Ford crew cab pickup that was a diesel. I got a very brief look under the hood and to my amazement, it was a straight six cylinder. Furthermore, unlike my F250 diesel here in the US, I could actually see the ground on both sides of the engine when I looked in the engine bay. The thing looked really simple as compared to my truck in the states. Question#1: What do you think the motor was? It was obviously stock and the truck was badged Ford F150 even though it appeared to be the size of the US F250. Question #2: Could an engine like that be found in the US? Question #3: Could an engine like that fit easily in a FJ60? __________________ 86 FJ60, Champagne Bronze, 33X9.5s, Desmogged, Dynamat, ARB in rear, 4.11 gears. OME lift, bedliner on rocker panels. Tint. 1987 FJ60 Dark Blue Metallic, 31X10.5s, 130K, Desmogged. "We have enough youth, how about a fountain of "smart"?

11-12-07, 09:11 PM	#2
watrob IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 544	It won't be simply, if you want a diesel stick to a Toyota diesel, you also have to marry the gearbox to the diesel motor as the shafts are differents lengths and can have different spline counts to a gas motor. So you need to get a diesel motor gearbox combination with toyata diesels. 60 series came out with 2H diesels and there is the turbo version the 12HT. Also the 75 series came with diesel. If you search the diesel thread there quite a few conversions to diesel so there should be some adapter plates for other brand of diesel motors. If it was me I would do a conversion that has been done before on this forum, would make it a lot easier for you. __________________ Rebuild 1974 FJ40 2F into a 1984 HJ43 2H Diesel. http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/173333-rebuild-my-fj40-1974-rhd-down-under.html

11-12-07, 10:42 PM	#3
Henry James the 47th junkyard dog Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North Leverett, MA TLCA# expired Posts: 1,911	"...60 series came out with 2H diesels..." Actually, the 2H premiered in the last of the 40 series, the HJ47, at the same time as in the 60 series, though the precursor to the 2H, namely the H motor, saw service in the HJ45 trucks. __________________ My 1982 HJ47 rebuild: http://forum.ih8mud.com/fj45-owners-...come-here.html

11-12-07, 10:53 PM	#4
pantheas18_hj47 IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 55	73 and 75 series also came with 3B, 13BT, 2H and 1HZ. 60 had 2H and 12HT just so you know the 1 at the front means it is direct injection. the others are indirect. My personal recomendation would be a 12HT

11-13-07, 10:11 AM	#12
dan1983 IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1	It is a 2.8L TGV made by MWM International motors. Old British Wheels of Canada imports them to North America. Advance Adapters makes an adapter kit for that allows you to mount it to anything you can mount a Chevy small block in. It is turbo charged and intercooled. It does not use a computer, it is direct injection. It makes 135hp at 3800rpm. It makes 276 foot pounds of torque at 1400rpm. It is Euro II emissions compliant. It weighs in at 208Kg or 458lbs.