3B starter died

wesintl · 05-12-07, 01:17 PM

So I replaced the contacts and plunger not too long ago and now it's dead. I can get it to turn over every once in a while. The 3b starter doesn't seem to crossover to anything locally in the states.

Reman didn't pull up in the Toyota system.

New looks to be ~500 US.

Any suggestions other than 4 wheel auto which looks to have remans or finding a local old skool shop to rebuild it?

Thanks!

TrouserChili · 05-12-07, 01:43 PM

Try www.toyotapartsales.com for a new one.

pn#: 28100-56191

it's around 400 from them.

Before you order post what year and model your truck is as they have different pn for diff years. The one above is from 11/84 to 85/10.

wesintl · 05-12-07, 03:10 PM

that's definatly the new superseed part # I need. Sorry for not posting it earlier.

Still 4 bones for a starter is hard to swallow. I'm sure I could take it to a rebuilder and get more power from the motor for less than half at least.

Radd Cruisers · 05-12-07, 04:43 PM

I have a like new starter and magnetic switch assembly off a 1hd-t, 150.00.

Not sure if it would work.

wesintl · 05-12-07, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radd Cruisers

I have a like new starter and magnetic switch assembly off a 1hd-t, 150.00.

Not sure if it would work.

looks like from the epc is will not. plus that is 24v.

I have a 12v bj70. I appreciate the offer Rob!

lowenbrau · 05-13-07, 01:41 AM

Just buy this and swap your nose cone onto it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-g...17338138QQrdZ1

wesintl · 05-13-07, 09:25 AM

I'm guessing you guys have done that?

rick_d · 05-13-07, 10:34 AM

wes-

by far the cheapest solution is the -84 reman Toyota 2LT starter. 12v, does the job.

swap nose cone to the reman unit and replace to return the core. $150 or so.

24v folks (like me) have to work with other sources.

sorry, don't have number handy, look up a 1985 mini truck diesel starter.

wesintl · 05-13-07, 02:28 PM

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haryv · 05-19-07, 01:00 AM

Call moben motor clinic in Surrey BC. Thay have a number of cruiser heads go there to have there starters and alternators rebuilt. Thay are a full time rebuild facility and very reasonably priced.

http://mytelus.yellowpages.ca/busine...ound&pstype=si

wesintl · 05-25-07, 10:11 PM

Thanks Rick
I ended up getting a 2L and swapping the nose cone as you suggested. The US didn't have any so it came on the fast boat from Japan. Man is it a pita to remove/install a 3b starter in a 70. I had to pull the motor on the starter install the rest of the unit onto the bellhousing then put the starter motor on.

btw the 28100-54090-84 which is a 2.5 kw gear reduction.

WOW this new starter cranks this 3b over fast now. I should have bought one a while ago.

haryv · 05-29-07, 01:05 AM

weintl,

I have replaced both batteries, all the cable collars, new ground cable and new rebuilt starter. Cranks at about 6 times a second. Must faster then it did before the rebuild. BTW my engine at times does take 10 seconds when cold to start. Even though the start/charing system is in top shape it takes a long time at times to start when cold. When warm it takes 1/2 second to start the truck. So if anyone reads this what else could be the issue? it has brand new glow plugs.

UpsideDown · 05-29-07, 12:38 PM

Could be a number of issues; you need to provide more info.

When cold, once it starts, how does it run? Rough? Smokey? Smooth?

Bad glow plugs, weak injector nozzles, incorrect inj timing, valve clearances...

Quote:

Originally Posted by haryv

weintl,

I have replaced both batteries, all the cable collars, new ground cable and new rebuilt starter. Cranks at about 6 times a second. Must faster then it did before the rebuild. BTW my engine at times does take 10 seconds when cold to start. Even though the start/charing system is in top shape it takes a long time at times to start when cold. When warm it takes 1/2 second to start the truck. So if anyone reads this what else could be the issue? it has brand new glow plugs.

wesintl · 05-29-07, 01:05 PM

poor compression?

ohrly? · 07-13-08, 04:31 PM

Hey everyone,

Does anyone have the part numbers for the brushes and plunger for my 24 Volt B Starter?

Thanks a bunch, it's starting to go on me :(

lowenbrau · 07-14-08, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ohrly?

Hey everyone,

Does anyone have the part numbers for the brushes and plunger for my 24 Volt B Starter?

Thanks a bunch, it's starting to go on me :(

You looked here for it already?

ohrly? · 07-15-08, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowenbrau

You looked here for it already?

Yea and I couldnt find it for some reason.

Edit- looked again and still can find it.

Steve Janz · 07-15-08, 03:29 PM

I just had a local starter shop rebuild mine for $250.00 - works wonderful!

05-12-07, 01:17 PM	#1
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	3B starter died So I replaced the contacts and plunger not too long ago and now it's dead. I can get it to turn over every once in a while. The 3b starter doesn't seem to crossover to anything locally in the states. Reman didn't pull up in the Toyota system. New looks to be ~500 US. Any suggestions other than 4 wheel auto which looks to have remans or finding a local old skool shop to rebuild it? Thanks! __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute

05-12-07, 03:10 PM	#3
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	that's definatly the new superseed part # I need. Sorry for not posting it earlier. Still 4 bones for a starter is hard to swallow. I'm sure I could take it to a rebuilder and get more power from the motor for less than half at least. __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute

05-12-07, 04:43 PM	#4
Radd Cruisers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 3,831	I have a like new starter and magnetic switch assembly off a 1hd-t, 150.00. Not sure if it would work. __________________ Come and visit us in Duncan, BC www.raddcruisers.ca --> 60 Series Cable Lockers available - 4.11s or 3.70s - handles and cables included --> 12HT & H55F combos available - complete & running --> in stock and ready to go.

05-13-07, 01:41 AM	#6
lowenbrau IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Calgary AB TLCA# 5513 Posts: 2,495	Just buy this and swap your nose cone onto it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-g...17338138QQrdZ1 __________________ Rocky Mountain Land Cruiser Association TLCA # 5513 '87BJ74, '86BJ70, '78FJ45, '53M100, '90M101cdn I support our Troopies

05-13-07, 09:25 AM	#7
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	I'm guessing you guys have done that? __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute

05-12-07, 01:43 PM	#2
TrouserChili IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 29	Try www.toyotapartsales.com for a new one. pn#: 28100-56191 it's around 400 from them. Before you order post what year and model your truck is as they have different pn for diff years. The one above is from 11/84 to 85/10.

05-13-07, 10:34 AM	#8
rick_d IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 794	wes- by far the cheapest solution is the -84 reman Toyota 2LT starter. 12v, does the job. swap nose cone to the reman unit and replace to return the core. $150 or so. 24v folks (like me) have to work with other sources. sorry, don't have number handy, look up a 1985 mini truck diesel starter.

05-13-07, 02:28 PM	#9
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	... __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute Last edited by wesintl; 05-25-07 at 10:07 PM. Reason: ..

05-19-07, 01:00 AM	#10
haryv IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 389	Call moben motor clinic in Surrey BC. Thay have a number of cruiser heads go there to have there starters and alternators rebuilt. Thay are a full time rebuild facility and very reasonably priced. http://mytelus.yellowpages.ca/busine...ound&pstype=si

05-25-07, 10:11 PM	#11
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	Thanks Rick I ended up getting a 2L and swapping the nose cone as you suggested. The US didn't have any so it came on the fast boat from Japan. Man is it a pita to remove/install a 3b starter in a 70. I had to pull the motor on the starter install the rest of the unit onto the bellhousing then put the starter motor on. btw the 28100-54090-84 which is a 2.5 kw gear reduction. WOW this new starter cranks this 3b over fast now. I should have bought one a while ago. __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute

05-29-07, 01:05 AM	#12
haryv IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 389	weintl, I have replaced both batteries, all the cable collars, new ground cable and new rebuilt starter. Cranks at about 6 times a second. Must faster then it did before the rebuild. BTW my engine at times does take 10 seconds when cold to start. Even though the start/charing system is in top shape it takes a long time at times to start when cold. When warm it takes 1/2 second to start the truck. So if anyone reads this what else could be the issue? it has brand new glow plugs.

05-29-07, 01:05 PM	#14
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	poor compression? __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute

07-13-08, 04:31 PM	#15
ohrly? IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 305	Hey everyone, Does anyone have the part numbers for the brushes and plunger for my 24 Volt B Starter? Thanks a bunch, it's starting to go on me :( __________________ -24 volt 1980 BJ40. -Five 24 Volt Hobbs heavy duty equipment lights. -32x11.5 GWrench AT's.

07-15-08, 03:29 PM	#18
Steve Janz IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 26	I just had a local starter shop rebuild mine for $250.00 - works wonderful!

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