[lunyou]

Guys, I know I should have seached first but I never have luck searching.

I am thinking about doing a diesel swap into my 60 series.......right now I don't have the money which might be a good thing....gives me a chance to do research.

So as of right now I am saving money for it so any of the Toyota diesels are fair game........there inlies the question.

Which is the best for the 60 series? Why do you think this? Will it bolt directly to the stock 4 SPD in my 60 now?

Thanks

lunyou

[Diescipel]

I seem to think but am probably wrong that the 2H and the 2F have the same input shafts and so would be the easiest swap. 2H is a 6 cyl. NA IDI diesel. 12H-T is the turbo version.

Best thing would be a 1HZ or 1HD-T coupled to an H55 or similar as an engine/tranny combo, if you've got the $$$ to burn.

Gas prices getting to ya? :-)

HTH
B

[SURVEYOR CRUISER]

12HT all the way. or go for a cummins 4BT swap.

[fe sus]

cheapest? 3B w/ junkyard turbo
best? 1HZ w/ turbo
H55F mated to either of those will work just fine

[lunyou]

well, Gas prices aren't getting me yet....I'm just looking toward the future and seeing no cheap gas in sight. After the summer and gas hits alltime highs it will settle back at probably 3.00 a gallon in my area and then the next summer it will hit a new high and settle at 3.50 or something like that and the cycle will be never ending.

People are always going to use cooking oil, thank goodness for fast fried food, and I can make biodiesel to run through the toyota diesel giving it an even longer life expectancy.

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the "B" a 4 cylinder diesel while the "H" is a 6 cylinder? I know nothing about the toyota diesels and didn't even know they existed until I joined this site. I would go with the cummins but the motor seems to be super heavy and from a quick search I think you have to use a dodge tranny also.

How much should I expect to pay for a decent 1H-z with turbo?

thanks guys

lunyou

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by lunyou

How much should I expect to pay for a decent 1H-z with turbo?

thanks guys

lunyou

It will take till the end of the decade to get your money back in fuel savings.
However if you want a 1HZ diesel this one sounds like a good deal to me.
1hz-t W/ H55f

It might seem a lot but I think thats what you need if your in for the long term .
It probably could not be replaced at that price

[lunyou]

thanks for the link Rosco,.....I looked at it and that woiuld be ideal due to the 5 speed and the turbo. But that like you said would take close to a decade to pay itself off and it woild take me 1 year or longer to make the money for it due to me working part time during the 2 college semesters.

I think I am going to be limited to using a 3B or 2H since the orginally came in 60 series and they should bolt to my tranny.

Out of those two motors which is the more favorable engine? Is it as simple as the more cylinders the better or is it more involved?

what kind of fuel economy does a 3B get? 2H?

Thanks all

lunyou

[brownbear]

3b and 2h are supposedly very similar in fuel economy. But the 3b is little less. I got 23-25 US mpg with my 3b 60.... If the math is right. The norm on the highway taking it easy was 10.5 Litres per 100 kms.


3b is also a very heavy engine.


If you search on here with the key words 3b and 2H together you will get lots of hits. They have been debated to death about which is better. Aussies say 2H canucks say 3B and so on.

Either way lots of racked up gazzilions of KMs with little trouble.

I'm partial to 4 cylinders. But a 2H is probably the choice for a clean conversion. Supposedly it bolts right up(I dunno, I have not tried). 3b you have to use a different trans, driveshafts...... make new mounts.

2H you bolt up, but have to search for 12 volt components, as they normally are all 24volt in Canukia.

[lunyou]

brownbear thanks for the help. I like the idea of an "easy" conversion. Now I just need to find a cheap rusted out hj60-62 and swap the motor in.

I really hate to go to canada to get one since it is along trip to canada from Missouri. Ma;ybe I can find a rusted out truck in the USA.

is the 2H about the same weight as the 2F?

lunyou

[jsaltlick]

Contact JDM in Canada. The Japanese are dumping their diesels due to air quality restrictions. Great prices!

[lunyou]

jsalt.

thanks for the advice I will check that out pronto

lunyou

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by lunyou

thanks for the link Rosco,.....I looked at it and that woiuld be ideal due to the 5 speed and the turbo. But that like you said would take close to a decade to pay itself off and it woild take me 1 year or longer to make the money for it due to me working part time during the 2 college semesters.

I think I am going to be limited to using a 3B or 2H since the orginally came in 60 series and they should bolt to my tranny.

Out of those two motors which is the more favorable engine? Is it as simple as the more cylinders the better or is it more involved?

what kind of fuel economy does a 3B get? 2H?

Thanks all

lunyou

I thought you might say that. The 3B and 2H will serve you fine. Get the one in best condition.

A lot of Aussies claim once they have worked through the problems they are getting a good run from the 6.5 chev diesels
There is a few kits in oz especially for Landcruiser.

[Tapage]

I'm pretty sure that the 2H is far more heavy than 2F .. and for sure my vote is for a 2H

[Jan-78FJ40]

Originally Posted by lunyou

brownbear thanks for the help. I like the idea of an "easy" conversion. Now I just need to find a cheap rusted out hj60-62 and swap the motor in.

I really hate to go to canada to get one since it is along trip to canada from Missouri. Ma;ybe I can find a rusted out truck in the USA.

is the 2H about the same weight as the 2F?

lunyou

Oh Lunyou, don't kid yourself.
You will never do it, and you know it.

You need to actually get off your lazy ass and do some searches here, they work for everyone, and there is no luck required, just a little grease and brain. YOU CAN DO IT!!!

After you searched, read, and processed, you will see that there is a lot more involved than taking out the 2F and bolting up the 2H or 3B. a LOT more.

everything has been covered many times, from how they bolt up, the motor mounts, where and how to get a rusted out donor truck, the weight, fuel lines, everything.

search.
read.
think.

good luck.
j

[ylexot]

It's true, there's a lot of great information on this forum. (And some attitude. Kind of like being in Germany and walking up to some guy and speaking English. He speaks English. You know it. He knows it. But there's some courtesy required, by at least making your greeting in German. Here the courtesy is doing an exhaustive search.)

But my 2cents. I have a 3B. I've gotten a up to 28 mpg using a 4speed on a 65mph trip. The later 3Bs ('87 and later, I think) have the same input shaft as the 2F. But then you're almost guaranteed to have a 5speed, which you might as well keep.

As far as simplicity of a swap, I'm about to be elbow deep into it. The toughest part seems like it will be moving the engine mounts. But that seems required for any engine swap. Then there's all the other stuff. I've got 2 complete vehicles so it shouldn't be too bad.

The 2H drives pretty well, even with an auto. But I LOVE my 3B. Good low end torque. Simple machine. Easy to get parts for it in the US. Not quite as powerful as a 2H, but is very easily turbo charged, which by the numbers should make up the difference.

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by Tapage

I'm pretty sure that the 2H is far more heavy than 2F .. and for sure my vote is for a 2H

I dont think there would be more than 40-50 kg in it. The 1HZ was only a little heavier than the 3F.
Both of them made the engine crane look like a fishing rod

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by ylexot

As far as simplicity of a swap, I'm about to be elbow deep into it. The toughest part seems like it will be moving the engine mounts.

The engine mounts are not hard. Grinding the old ones off was the worst part.
If you have the mounts off a donor motor just bolt them on and lower the engine till the frame mounts look right and hit em with the welder

I loosely fitted the radiator and shroud so I could check the centrality of the fan.

[crushers]

the 2F and the 2H are very similar in weight (as well as the 3B is surprisingly heavy)

search is your friend. we all had to work to contribute, the least a newbie can do is spend a day searching...

[Tapage]

Originally Posted by roscoFJ73

I dont think there would be more than 40-50 kg in it. The 1HZ was only a little heavier than the 3F.
Both of them made the engine crane look like a fishing rod

One thing that I like of my 2H ( as well as 2 more cilinders ) it have better sound IMOP than 3B engine .. run more " smooth "

[lunyou]

well heck this thread turned sour quick, thanks '78, after I started this thread I have been doing a bit of searching. The problem is 3B is too short for a search term and so is 2H. So other search terms are needed.

I did find some things but I will say the most useful information has come from this thread.

I think there might ought to be a 3B vs 2H FAQ in this section it would help out alot.

So let me see if I can summarize the information in this thread for myself.

-either way the 2H and 3B are both good motor

-the 2H should have a wider range of compatible motors since they used the same tranny as a 2F but a later 3B should bolt to the 4spd also.

-best way to do the swap would be to find a complete rusted out vehicle and use it asa a visual aide.

-as far as weight is concerned the 2H is slightly heavier than the 2F and the 3B is quite a bit heavier?

Am I missing anything?

lunyou