[euclid]

Did you keep an acounting of your time and cost? Care to share?

[83 chif]

this may have been covered before, i'm not sure, but i figured i'd share just incase it's news to anyone else besides me. apparently the 4bd can be/came bolted to ford c6s, which I think was offered as a 4wd trans too, or atleast has the same bellhousing as other ford 4wd transmissions. maybe this particular ford tranny has an industrial bell housing or some other possibility that i'm not aware of, but like i said, just incase this went un noticed before....

eBay Motors: Isuzu 4DB1 Diesel Engine W/ C6 Transmission included (item 270300739565 end time Nov-17-08 05:51:13 PST)

[coog]

Careful.Only the non-turbo 4bd has a sae#3 pattern.The turbo 4, 4bd1t, has a unique, non sae pattern.That being said, I used this combo in a Ford van.I think if you were conservative you could add a turbo to this e bay engine and have a good candidate for a swap.

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by coog

Careful.Only the non-turbo 4bd has a sae#3 pattern.The turbo 4, 4bd1t, has a unique, non sae pattern.That being said, I used this combo in a Ford van.I think if you were conservative you could add a turbo to this e bay engine and have a good candidate for a swap.

It's not a turbo/non turbo split on the bellhousings.
It's truck sourced engines vs industrial engines. The industrial ones have the SAE housing.

Having said that, the bellhousing in that photo appears to be the truck version and has a big adapter plate bolted to it. Possibly a variation on the Isuzudieselswapper kit.
The engine itself is an industrial unit (note the large side mounted breather, lack of oil supply to the injector pump gear, no acoustic covers and the flat rocker cover).

[coog]

Originally Posted by Dougal

It's not a turbo/non turbo split on the bellhousings.
It's truck sourced engines vs industrial engines. The industrial ones have the SAE housing.

Having said that, the bellhousing in that photo appears to be the truck version and has a big adapter plate bolted to it. Possibly a variation on the Isuzudieselswapper kit.
The engine itself is an industrial unit (note the large side mounted breather, lack of oil supply to the injector pump gear, no acoustic covers and the flat rocker cover).

Agreed, although in the States it amounts to the same thing.I just wanted to nip the rumor in the bud before anyone spends money based on it.The SAE to Ford C-6 adaptor is available through Phoenix Castings, should anyone want to use the industrial engine.

[RHINO]

i've said it before, i'll say it again. dieselswappers kit is a modified phx casting kit, any vehicle tranny behind any isuzu, sae or not is a phx casting kit. nothing bolts right to the engine except an isuzu tranny.

the ebay item above is made possible via a phx casting kit, you can see the tranny has fords pattern still.

88TLC, its great to have another running driving cruiser with an isuzu on the board !!

[coog]

Originally Posted by RHINO

i've said it before, i'll say it again. dieselswappers kit is a modified phx casting kit, any vehicle tranny behind any isuzu, sae or not is a phx casting kit. nothing bolts right to the engine except an isuzu tranny.

the ebay item above is made possible via a phx casting kit, you can see the tranny has fords pattern still.

88TLC, its great to have another running driving cruiser with an isuzu on the board !!

Not on this engine.The only tranny that will bolt up without an adapter is a SAE#3 pattern (Allison comes to mind).The adapter is to convert from a SAE to C6.The 4bd1 that I have is a 1980, and I don't think the Isuzu 5 speed arrived until 1986.The Aisin auto appeared a year or two later.

note: I should have said "not on this Flywheel cover", as the engine back pattern is the same.

[Dougal]

It appears there are four main types of bellhousings.

1. Isuzu truck bellhousing. This is similar size to SAE #3 but has different bolt spacing. The bottom of the
Different markets and years give variants with the 2 or 3 bolt starter.

2. Isuzu industrial bellhousing. This is SAE #3 and noticably longer than the truck bellhousing. It features four bolt mount holes on each side.

3. Isuzu QD100 bellhousing. This is the model name the 4BD1 was originally introduced to NA under. It appears identical length to the truck bellhousing, but has a lip that extends right around underneath and has a drain plug fitted to the bottom.
I expect this is the one Coog has. It could be the one in the ebay ad, but I'd need better photos.

4. Landrover bellhousing. I haven't yet mapped out the pattern for this (though a helpful gentleman has sent me the measurements), it mounts the starter up higher than the Isuzu bellhousings to clear the landrover chassis rail. They bolt up to landrover LT95 or LT85 transmissions. Originally developed for the Australian Army but also sold in civilian landrovers in the late 80's in the pacific region.

[Dougal]

Bellhousing photo lineup with descriptions are here:
Isuzu 4BD1 Bell-housings. - Cummins 4BT & Diesel Conversions Forums

[hayes167]

I've got the engine sitting in the bay in the place I want it. I thought I'd post pics and show the clearence. Motor mounts should be done in a couple of weeks. It is in position to use stock driveshaft lengths. It seems like the fj60 bay may hold this engine with more room. Some clearence issues: ofset to passenger side 3/4"- puts the oil pan closer to the diff, 2.5-3" oil pan to diff, starter to frame 3/4", front of engine to radiator, without fan 2", top front of engine to hood 2", air intake to firewall 3". I could probably move the engine back 2-5" depending on if I wanted to reroute the air intake on the turbo and/or get the drive shafts cut, read cost in time $ and motivation.I had wanted to install an air air intercooler in the front but not with 2", mabey I'll do a air water intercooler. I think that more lift would be nice. I have 850 OME right now.

[hayes167]

Here are more pics.

[gifu]

cool project. If the air-intake tube was removed... could the engine sit further back? But, I guess then it would be hard to get filtered air into the turbo. BUT, you could clearance the firewall at just that point (where the bend comes into the turbo).

Don't be afraid to cut and clearance the oil pan. It isn't hard, and on my 4BT project it made all the difference.

are you running a 700R4 to stock xfer case?

[jeffsclan]

That's really going to be a neat rig. Stay with it. It will be so worth it in the long run.

[FL cruiser]

How about mounting the intercooler flat horizontal across the valve cover with the top level with the hood. Then cut an opening in the hood and have a hood scoop. I know the hood scoop sounds hokey, but non US spec Nissan terrano's and Hyundai Galloper's (Montero clones) do it that way.

That's how I plan to do it on my 60. I guess it's easier to hack a hood on an old beater 60 than a nice clean 80 though.

[FL cruiser]

I'm hoping to get feedback from those of you that used aftermarket engine kits on your Isuzu 4BD**'s.

How have they fared? Quality acceptable?

I'm hoping to get some input before I purchase a kit.
Rudy's kit is mentioned on the Isuzudieselswapper site and sold on Ebay.
Not many other aftermarket Isuzu parts being sold in the US.

Some people over on the 4BT Swap Forums looking for input too. Figured I'd cross post over here.

[hayes167]

Originally Posted by FL cruiser

I'm hoping to get feedback from those of you that used aftermarket engine kits on your Isuzu 4BD**'s.

How have they fared? Quality acceptable?

I'm hoping to get some input before I purchase a kit.
Rudy's kit is mentioned on the Isuzudieselswapper site and sold on Ebay.
Not many other aftermarket Isuzu parts being sold in the US.

Some people over on the 4BT Swap Forums looking for input too. Figured I'd cross post over here.

I got my bearings and gasket set straight from Isuzu. I have heard not to use aftermarket stuff. Dougal had a bad/expensive problem with some.

I think I like where the engine is, not cutting drive shafts, centered in the engine bay, really being ready for the motor mounts to get wielded so I can get on with the project.

There is no room atop the engine for an intercooler, the front of the engine is 1.5" from the hood.

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by hayes167

I got my bearings and gasket set straight from Isuzu. I have heard not to use aftermarket stuff. Dougal had a bad/expensive problem with some.

I think I like where the engine is, not cutting drive shafts, centered in the engine bay, really being ready for the motor mounts to get wielded so I can get on with the project.

There is no room atop the engine for an intercooler, the front of the engine is 1.5" from the hood.

I've had issues with aftermarket rings, headgaskets and oil seals. If you can get genuine gasket sets, then do it. The price is excellent and you know everything fits.

I'm currently running aftermarket main & thrust bearings, liners and pistons. I haven't had a problem with any of those and I'm not expecting to.

[ThePookieBear]

hayes167- Congratulations on the build! It's actually kind of a downer for me because I had planned on going with the 4HE1 mounted to my A440. It is less than an inch taller, and only an inch wider than the 4BD2T. But... It's fourteen inches longer. Something that I didn't think would be a problem with our long I6's, but I was sadly mistaken. :(. I'll have to do some more research and all that business. Oh well. I don't see how they can shoehorn a 6BT in, and the 4HE1 won't fit. I'll get it, I guess it will be harder now. . Congrats.

[astr]

Originally Posted by ThePookieBear

... I had planned on going with the 4HE1 mounted to my A440. It is less than an inch taller, and only an inch wider than the 4BD2T. But... It's fourteen inches longer...

I don't understand why you say that the 4HE1 is 14 inches longer than the 4BD2. I just measured the 4HE1 and it is almost exactly 30" from the front of the water pump to the rear surface that the transmission mounts to. The 4BD2 measures within a 1/4" of this measurement. Are you including the length of the rear-mounted starter in your measurement? I agree that the starter poses an interference problem and will need to be relocated somehow.

[ThePookieBear]

Yes I was, but I may still be off. I was getting my measurement from one of the pages somewhere out there on the intraweb... . My bad. Ha ha! So, how is your swap coming along? I noticed the other day on the 4BT sight that you're fitting a probe, or preparing to. Whittling down the to do list ehh? And I'm glad that it is not out of sight long compared to the 4BD2. . I guess I just got bad info. I still foresee some fancy metal work in the pedal area though with that blasted starter sitting oddly. It will probably interfere with the frame.

[astr]

Originally Posted by ThePookieBear

Yes I was, but I may still be off. I was getting my measurement from one of the pages somewhere out there on the intraweb... . My bad. Ha ha! So, how is your swap coming along? I noticed the other day on the 4BT sight that you're fitting a probe, or preparing to. Whittling down the to do list ehh? And I'm glad that it is not out of sight long compared to the 4BD2. . I guess I just got bad info. I still foresee some fancy metal work in the pedal area though with that blasted starter sitting oddly. It will probably interfere with the frame.

The 4HE1 is still in the NPR chassis. I'm going to resolve the transmission/T-case issue first and it is easier to do in the NPR chassis. Once I get a T-case on the AW450/A440F hybrid transmission and verify that it works, I'll pull the 3FE and start fitting the 4HE1 in the FJ62. Still a long way to go especially at the speed that I move

[ThePookieBear]

Ha ha. Too bad you don't live in Kansas, I'd throw down an extra hand whenever you needed it. . You mentioned relocating the starter... How were you thinking on doing that? Like a flywheel out front with custom bracketry or something of that nature?

[astr]

Originally Posted by ThePookieBear

Ha ha. Too bad you don't live in Kansas, I'd throw down an extra hand whenever you needed it. . You mentioned relocating the starter... How were you thinking on doing that? Like a flywheel out front with custom bracketry or something of that nature?

Haven't addressed that issue. When I get further along, I'll resurect the 4HE1 thread on this forum.

[ThePookieBear]

Cool deal. Keep us posted.

[warpdriv]

Has anyone looked to see if Isuzu offers a crate engine?

[1speedlos]

This is exactly what I'd like to do! I killed WAY too much time yesterday reading the whole thread, and am subscribing. Thanks to Dougal, astr, RHINO, DieselCruiserHead, 88tlc, BRam... Hell, all of you for contributing your great knowledge, insight, and ideas!
My wife, however, may be less happy....

Los

[RHINO]

i think this thread got way bigger than any of us thought it would. as you pointed out it takes a looooong time to read the whole thing, but its practically a one stop shop for isuzu info.

[FL cruiser]

I'm attempting to determine if a single Optima red top would be sufficient for starting a 4BD*. Anyone using a single battery??

[bj70_guy]

Originally Posted by FL cruiser

I'm attempting to determine if a single Optima red top would be sufficient for starting a 4BD*. Anyone using a single battery??

My Dad just finished putting a 4BD1-T into a Chev Tahoe (yes, I tried to get him to put it in an 80 instead...)
His is starting his fine with one of my old red tops.

[RHINO]

mines going strong for over a year now with a single red top.