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#631 |
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IH8MUD Regular
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Fort Leavenworth, KS
Posts: 278
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Can't get the FSM downloaded!!
I've been trying over the last few weeks and everytime I try to download it times out as it slows to about 5kps. Can I send someone a few bucks to have you send me a CD with the FSM??
Also, is Tom's Isuzu in Santa Ana the recommended place to get parts? I just need the bellhousing bolts, manual flywheel and valve cover bolts. __________________ 1972 BDJ55-T Resto Mod 4BD2T/4L60 http://forum.ih8mud.com/fj55-iron-pi...resto-mod.html 1989 FJ62 Daily Driver / Family Car 1976 MGB w/ 2.8L Chevy and T-5. Lots o' fun
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Being stalked by 2 hillbillies
Posts: 1,481
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__________________ VOODOO Engineering: Doing it first time with one clay doll, not four times with two. |
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#633 |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Asheville, NC
Posts: 30
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700r4
Are there differences between a gasser 700r4 and one that was stock behind a diesel?
I am looking to get a rebuilt one and want to know exactly what I need to ask for. Right now I'm thinking I need one built heavy duty/towing to put behind my 4bd1t. Does it need anything else to function properly behind a deisel? __________________ '91 FJ80 in the middle of 4BD1T swap. Pain is mandatory, suffering is optional! |
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#634 |
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IH8MUD Addict
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: NE Texas
Posts: 614
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I had a 700R4 rebuilt for my 6.2 conversion. I found an experienced rebuilder and told them what I was doing. I am pretty sure they used the heavy duty kit and also installed the hydraulic lock-out. As far as shift points, from what I have learned in the last couple days, you can adjust those with the TV cable and some springs that adjust the pressure. I am about to drive mine for the first time this afternoon so maybe I can tell you more then. Rusty
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#635 | |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 24
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Bunbury, West Oz
Posts: 26
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#637 |
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IH8MUD Regular
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Fort Leavenworth, KS
Posts: 278
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astr is hooking me up, thanks for the idea though. I'll have to look into that for the long term though.
__________________ 1972 BDJ55-T Resto Mod 4BD2T/4L60 http://forum.ih8mud.com/fj55-iron-pi...resto-mod.html 1989 FJ62 Daily Driver / Family Car 1976 MGB w/ 2.8L Chevy and T-5. Lots o' fun
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#638 |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Bunbury, West Oz
Posts: 26
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heres the spec sheet for the 4BD1-T.
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#639 |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 24
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Would any of our friends in Oz be interested in sending the needed bits to convert my NPR to 4x4??? I just don't understand why we can't get them in the States,
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#640 |
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IH8MUD Regular
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 251
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just a quick sanity check for Hayes 167 and Oregon 80... when/if you decide to get a 700R4 built, call advance adapters first... some of their adapter kits (ie: 700R4->Fj60 splitcase) require a special shaft. Would be a shame to build a new transmission, then need to have it rebuilt with the correct shaft.
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#641 |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 5
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I spoke with Isuzu a few weeks ago and was able to obtain a dyno chart for the U.S. version of the 4BD2-TC. I've attached a copy below. It's also in my Jeep build-up thread on Pirate4x4: Build-up: Jeep YJ w/ Isuzu diesel.
Between IH8MUD, 4btswaps.com, and Pirate, there's too many Isuzu diesel threads to keep track of!
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Being stalked by 2 hillbillies
Posts: 1,481
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The torque curve is much flatter in the top half and the fuel consumption curve shows about 5% higher fuel consumption than the 4BD1. __________________ VOODOO Engineering: Doing it first time with one clay doll, not four times with two. |
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#643 |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 5
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Here's where it gets really interesting... a comparison between the 4BD2-TC and the Cummins 4BT. I interpolated the data from both official dyno charts and made a new one. The Isuzu clearly has the advantage after 2000 rpm.
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Being stalked by 2 hillbillies
Posts: 1,481
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I've got around 500Nm, that's about 370 ft-lbs. ![]() Running 20psi boost with no intercooler. __________________ VOODOO Engineering: Doing it first time with one clay doll, not four times with two. |
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#645 |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 5
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#646 |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 68
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Being stalked by 2 hillbillies
Posts: 1,481
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![]() I plan some even harsher tests in the future. If no-one tests the limits then we won't ever know where they are. Plenty of people running Cummins 4BT's with up to 35psi boost and stock internals, I expect the Isuzu to take similar abuse. __________________ VOODOO Engineering: Doing it first time with one clay doll, not four times with two. |
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#648 |
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IH8MUD Regular
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Fort Leavenworth, KS
Posts: 278
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A/C Hook-up
Is anyone running A/C on theirs yet? I'm wondering space wise if it will fit in the stock location or if it's going to butt up against the frame. I haven't seen an engine with A/C hooked up to it but it looks like it sticks out as far if not a little farther than the starter.
Also, the shop that's putting this all together for me found an Isuzu starter that is actually turned up snug against the engine so you don't have to off-set the engine. __________________ 1972 BDJ55-T Resto Mod 4BD2T/4L60 http://forum.ih8mud.com/fj55-iron-pi...resto-mod.html 1989 FJ62 Daily Driver / Family Car 1976 MGB w/ 2.8L Chevy and T-5. Lots o' fun
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Being stalked by 2 hillbillies
Posts: 1,481
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I'm running the stock Isuzu AC compressor, I think I have a modified tensioner bracket which tucks it in a little closer (protrudes less than the starter) but it still uses the same factory mount as the alternator. __________________ VOODOO Engineering: Doing it first time with one clay doll, not four times with two. |
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#650 |
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IH8MUD Regular
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Fort Leavenworth, KS
Posts: 278
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There's always a downside, I'll have to look into how to overcome that. I'm pretty dense when it comes to electrical. Is it just a matter of bigger battery, thicker wires and stronger starter relay?
Does your AC compressor protrude less than the OEM starter or the "other" starter? Can you post or send me a picture of your tensioner bracket? I have no brackets right now so I want to make sure I get the right ones. __________________ 1972 BDJ55-T Resto Mod 4BD2T/4L60 http://forum.ih8mud.com/fj55-iron-pi...resto-mod.html 1989 FJ62 Daily Driver / Family Car 1976 MGB w/ 2.8L Chevy and T-5. Lots o' fun
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#651 | |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Being stalked by 2 hillbillies
Posts: 1,481
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The AC compressor is just visible underneath the alternator, it actually sits just above the chassis rail in my truck. I guess it protrudes as much as the original starter. __________________ VOODOO Engineering: Doing it first time with one clay doll, not four times with two. |
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#652 |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: valley of the sunstroke, AZ
Posts: 2,884
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andrew the AC in stock locale wont fit, it will need to be raised or otherwise relocated. i want the GR starter and offsetting the engine was not a problem, the stock cruiser engine is offset to the D side and now i'm offset the same amount to the P side.
IROC i was reading some of your other posts on other forums, nice build.... i dont understand the oilpan on the 2 series engine, i havent had one apart so there must be a reason its like that. i dont think though that it would pose any issues, looking at mine with P side diff i think it would still clear, i have the engine forward off the firewall some and SOA,, but if the engine were all the way back as it looks like your doing i think it will be completely behind the front axle,, no?? __________________ 75 BDJ55- biopig |
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#653 |
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IH8MUD Regular
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Fort Leavenworth, KS
Posts: 278
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Do you think modifying in the existing location will work, ie. like Dougal's modified bracket. I guess it depends on how far it will bring it in. If I remember right, you said you have about 20mm each side with the stock starter so there isn't much room left to move it over any more to accomodate. That and I don't think there is any room on the other side to mount any components.
__________________ 1972 BDJ55-T Resto Mod 4BD2T/4L60 http://forum.ih8mud.com/fj55-iron-pi...resto-mod.html 1989 FJ62 Daily Driver / Family Car 1976 MGB w/ 2.8L Chevy and T-5. Lots o' fun
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#654 |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 5
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Thanks for checking out my Jeep build, RHINO. The only reason I can think of for the 4BD2's unusual oil pan is capacity. That bulge is big enough to hold about two extra quarts of oil. Maybe the Isuzu engineers found that extra oil capacity and a big, single filter was better than the 4BD1's setup? When I get my motor mounts done, I'll pull the pan and let you guys know what it's like in there.
I'm also going SOA with my Jeep, but I'm keeping the lift fairly mild to lower the center of gravity. Because of this, I have the engine mounted low --- it's probably about five inches below the hood line. That's why I'm afraid the driveshaft won't fit without oil pan modifications. Andrew, I'm not sure if this picture will answer your A/C question, but it's worth a shot. This is the compressor location on the 4BD2 between my Jeep's frame rails. The engine is not offset to any side and the rail centerlines are 31" apart. I've never actually seen an A/C compressor for these engines, so I don't know how big it is. It almost looks like a Harrison R4 would fit.
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#655 |
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IH8MUD Junior
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Michigan/Costa Rica
Posts: 182
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How about posting a picture of this starter. I've only seen the one starter that is geared and is quite wide.
__________________ Stock FJ62 SOA Samurai Tintop Ford E-350 4x4 Diesel M-29 Weasel |
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#656 |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: valley of the sunstroke, AZ
Posts: 2,884
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andrew, the compressor gets into the frame about 20mm or so,,, this is with clearance for the GR starter, so you'll be into it more if you do go with that cough crap cough non GR starter
. so yeah raising it will work, i have been thinking of a mount to hold the alt and a/c in one and raise them both, plenty of room to go up.IROC, the comp is a nippondenso radial, just like a harison, delco ect. my SOA is low also, i put the engine in the frame so the oilpan gasket is about level with the top of the frame, and its still a good 3" below the hood. if that bump is capacity then by all means chop it off if you need clearance!!! the pan holds 7 or 9 qts, thats plenty of oil for an engine that doesnt run real hot and has an internal oil cooler. also my engine isnt offset per say, the starter and oil filters are centered in the frame which sets the engine to favor the P side a little. most straight engines favored one side or the other, no biggie __________________ 75 BDJ55- biopig |
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#657 |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Being stalked by 2 hillbillies
Posts: 1,481
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Here's the direct drive starter. Not a photo though.
I think it's a hitachi item.
__________________ VOODOO Engineering: Doing it first time with one clay doll, not four times with two. |
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#658 |
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IH8MUD Lifer
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very cool images Dougal!
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#659 |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Being stalked by 2 hillbillies
Posts: 1,481
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