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IH8MUD Junior
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Michigan/Costa Rica
Posts: 182
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IH8MUD Addict
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: NE Texas
Posts: 614
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IH8MUD Junior
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Michigan/Costa Rica
Posts: 182
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On the 4HE1, a computer is connected to the mechanical in-line injection pump and modifies the operation. From what I read in the FSM, the computer advances the timing under certain conditions, reduces the fueling when the engine temp exceeds a set level, monitors various sensors in the engine and controls the "Check Engine" light, controls the exhaust brake, and generates the ODB codes. I suspect that the engine would run without the computer, just not sure how well. __________________ Stock FJ62 SOA Samurai Tintop Ford E-350 4x4 Diesel M-29 Weasel |
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#484 |
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IH8MUD Regular
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Bend OR/Santa Cruz CA
Posts: 211
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Bram
Any progress on the adapter and what direction are you going with it, a plate on the back of the motor or a plate on the back of the flywheel cover? Thanks Jonathan __________________ 71 fj40 - 351w, Holley Pro Jection, SOA, NV4500 86 fj60 - Getting Newe Engine, OME Heavy, 4.11s, ARB, 33/12.50/15 Pro Comp M/T's |
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#485 |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1
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I am interested in converting my 99 Isuzu Trooper with a 4BD1T engine. I use my Trooper as daily driver and want to get good gas mileage and power for towing (my trailer and '62 MGA) I appreciate if someone can help me answer the following questions.
1) What would be the gas consumption for a street daily driver with a 4BD1T engine? My trooper is about 5,000 pounds? 2) Does the engine provide good pick up for passing and go high speed up to 80 mph? 3) Are there anyone here done a 4BD1T engine conversion in a Trooper with the original Isuzu automatic transmission? 4) how simple to go to a 24V starter? Any information is greatly appreciated. Harry |
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#486 | |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 34
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http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=16 |
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#487 |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: valley of the sunstroke, AZ
Posts: 2,884
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troopersafe, the 4BD1T moves my 5k pound FJ55 around pretty good and it has 37" tires. questions about enough power are hard to answer because i am happy but i dont know what you would be happy with, i think a v-6 would be faster but it doesnt net 25MPG like i get now, so i am happy. the engine is capable of alot more power if you want to mess with injection pump settings. you will be needing a custom adapter for your tranny, and its gonna be real tight under the hood. you might also want to check into the diesel isuzu made for the trooper, it might be a pretty good swap.
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#488 | |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Being stalked by 2 hillbillies
Posts: 1,481
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My vehicle is within a few cm of width, height, length to yours but slightly heavier. I get up to 11km/l on the open road and around 8-9km/l around town. It's been a long time since I did a full tank around town though. The engine is slow to wind up, don't expect 1/4 mile times under 22 seconds, but once up to speed it holds on hills very well. The stock power levels aren't dramatic, but turning screws on the pump fixes that. You are going to struggle for height to fit a 4BD1 engine into a trooper, esp height wise. An Isuzu 4JG2 or 4JH1 will be almost a direct bolt in, smaller capacity (around 3 litres) but smaller, lighter, similar power and torque levels and more freely revving. In short car motors vs truck motors. 4BD1T's from japan are 24v, US versions are 12v. __________________ VOODOO Engineering: Doing it first time with one clay doll, not four times with two. |
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#489 |
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IH8MUD Lifer
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Last call:
I have a dead A440F that I'd like to donate to the conversion cause if someone wants it. It's in Florida. I'll split shipping up to $70 if someone wants it. If nobody speaks up it's going on the open market. PM me please. __________________ Greg Thompson 00 Camry: Stock 5SFE - 27 MPG 89 FJ62: Unstock. |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Being stalked by 2 hillbillies
Posts: 1,481
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After four long months I finally got my truck back together. With the repaired aneroid on the fuel pump, it now gets full fuel for the first time since the engine has been installed.
The result is a little mental, on a slightly damp road it spins the back wheels. In second gear. On a vehicle which weighs 2.3t empty and is full time 4wd. The power and torque figures of these engines match up quite closely with toyotas 1KZ-TE on paper. There's gotta be a big mistake there. The 1KZ-TE powered hilux can't spin the back wheels in 2wd. __________________ VOODOO Engineering: Doing it first time with one clay doll, not four times with two. |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: valley of the sunstroke, AZ
Posts: 2,884
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euclid, have you mentioned that tranny to BRAM ?? maybe PM him ?
dougal i know what you mean,,,, my 55 is no rocket with the isuzu but i can easily chirp the 37" tires. __________________ 75 BDJ55- biopig |
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#492 |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: park city UT and Heber City UT
Posts: 72
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fj62 isuzu 4bd transmission
spent a month or so looking at the a440f bolt pattern, and the isuzu 4bd.
a shot of the a440 adapter from the toyota engine, sitting over the isuzu trans bellhousing. note these two components are what the plate would need to look like so that it could mount to the isuzu engine, and to the toyota auto trans. This is roughly what it would look like. I say roughly, cause i did not feel like the hole locations to be very accurate. I have roughly .050" that I am chasing around with measurements, or a compass arc. I feel like it needs to be in the .010" range, to avoid some gnarly vibrations. I wanted to experiment with a wood trial part. although this would show if the adapter would bolt up, it would not tell you that the trans shaft, and the crankhshaft were centered. so I would have to mock up the cotton wheel spacer too. I want to get my fj62 running, so I am committing to an isuzudieselswapper adapter, a 700r4 K case diesel transmission with a .71:1 overdrive, and a AA transfer case adapter to my landcruiser transfer case. Its not going to be cheap, but it will be efficient, and reliable install. Honestly, it was not going to be cheap to rebuild the a440f to stand up to a diesel, and not cheap for the custom adapter. I would like to continue working on this however. does anyone have a more accurate measurement system? a digital 3 axis milling machine, a visual comparator, or hell, even a granite block and a height gage? I have worked in shops like McDonnell Douglas, Leatherman Tool that had this accurate equipment. |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: valley of the sunstroke, AZ
Posts: 2,884
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i have been happy with mine, its well made and you have the option to run the engine forward a little for stock d shafts, or back a little to get the front shaft a little longer. one word of advice, when drilling and tapping the flywheel for the spacer, be extra careful to measure twice and drill once. and when bolting the GM flywheel or flex plate to that spacer pay attention to not overtighten and strip those threads. __________________ 75 BDJ55- biopig |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Being stalked by 2 hillbillies
Posts: 1,481
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It hurls a 2.3t truck to 100km/h in just over 15 seconds. That's on a manual box with two gear changes (start in 2nd, 2-3,3-4). I had my fuel screw wound out only 1/4 turn which produced EGT's of 800 deg C. I've just wound it back to stock, haven't found a hill suitable for a sustained load since. __________________ VOODOO Engineering: Doing it first time with one clay doll, not four times with two. |
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#496 |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3
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Hello everyone I've been reading this thread for awhile now and finally have a question. I'm right in the middle of putting a 4bd1t and 4l60e into a 77 fj40. I didn't realize I had a flywheel for an NPR auto until I received my Isuzudieselswapper kit from david. So I ordered a new flywheel for the standard trans for my year engine.
Now when i place the spacer on the new flywheel, the edge of each hole that needs to be drilled hangs about 1/16 in over a stepped down area towards the center of the flywheel. The step drops down 1/8in and is 1/4 in wide. Then the flywheel steps down again to the center flat section where the flywheel bolt holes are. When i measured the other side of the flywheel i find that the spacer bolts would emerge in a rounded section of the flywheel not in a flat area. I asked David and he thinks i have the wrong flywheel. I called two Isuzu NPR parts dealers and they say i have the right part number for 1988 to '97. Does anyone have the right flywheel part number? Possible this is a industrial flywheel? |
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#497 |
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Wouldn't it be simplest to adapt the Cruiser T-Case to the rear of the tranny that Isuzu was kind enough to attach to the 4BDxT?
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#498 |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: valley of the sunstroke, AZ
Posts: 2,884
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no mr toad,,, if you read back the isuzu tranny is a bad thing to try and make usable, it uses a hard to modify linkage shifter.
zaks the stepdowns your talking about are on the engine side right? mine has stepdowns also and when you drill for the spacer holes they do come out on those, but there is plenty of meat there and hasnt proven a problem. dougal i was wondering about that, mine isnt a rocket but it winds up just fine. out of curiosity what did you do to the aneroid? __________________ 75 BDJ55- biopig |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Being stalked by 2 hillbillies
Posts: 1,481
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I'm running 19psi boost and still have to back off to avoid hitting 800 deg C EGT's. Did I mention how much fun that is. ![]() That is with the fuel screw where it was when the pump arrived back from a rebuild about 8 years ago. My aneroid has the boost canister operating a pushrod by an adjustable lever. I've been adjusting that lever. The aneroid starts to move at 2psi boost and is fully open by 7psi. I need to back it off a little more as I am getting some smoke when idling away in second gear. __________________ VOODOO Engineering: Doing it first time with one clay doll, not four times with two. |
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IH8MUD Addict
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No affiliation, but maybe some New England Mudders might be interested in a factory rebuilt 4bd2.
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IH8MUD Junior
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Wasilla, AK
Posts: 133
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Updates on progress of the adapters?
__________________ "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" Rom 3:23 KJV "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life THROUGH Jesus Christ our Lord" Rom 6:23 KJV "If though shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God has raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved" Rom 10:9 KJV "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved"! Rom 10:13 KJV |
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#502 |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 35
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RE: 4BDt1 conversion
I am also interested in this conversion for my 90 FJ62. I would like to stay automatic trans. So are the problems the same if if staying with a modified A440 or if going to a 700R like axle clearance , exhaust, starter, drivelines and transfer case?
Thanks, ozwick |
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#503 |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 14
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Just pickup a 4bd1-T out of a 85 GMC manual 5spd, plan on putting it in my 85 fj60. I am going to buy that adapter plate from dave at isuzudieselswapper and get a hold of a adapter to mate my stock tranny to the motor. It should work fine until I get off of this island then I'll look at getting the H55 tranny later on down the road. Pretty excited about the swap
I was reading this thread a week ago and I think their was a guy who was tring to make an adapter to mate the isuzu 4bd1 directly to the A440 or H55 cant remember. I wonder what progress he made? Does anyone know?
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#504 |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: valley of the sunstroke, AZ
Posts: 2,884
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progress is slow and time consuming, 88tlc is/was working on an adapter and i will at some point make a plate adapter to run toyota everything from the engine. but i'm not in a hurry as mine is up and running great.
i think the H42 will be fine if your not running high speeds. i also think with daves adapter you will be able to keep the tranny in the stock location, good for many reasons. problems with the A440 are the adapter right now, it doesnt exist. problems with a 700r4 are the same as a v-8 conversion, but i would be a bit concerned with front shaft clearance, unless you can figure something out you cannot favor the driver side with this engine cause you have a big starter right there, so you will most likely be running a skinny front shaft, which is no problem. __________________ 75 BDJ55- biopig |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 14
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I did a little measuring between both motors. It seems that the only real disadvantage to this motor compared to the 2F, is the height. As far as the front drive shaft clearance I'll have to look in to that. Well if you build that adapter some time in the next 6 months let me know I would be very interested. Mean time I'll be throwing around different ideas until its time to make that big decision.
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IH8MUD Junior
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Michigan/Costa Rica
Posts: 182
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FSM for 4BD1t
There now is a 4BD1T factory engine manual available at MattF's site : http://forums.bauchan.org/portal/vie...ads.php?dcid=5
__________________ Stock FJ62 SOA Samurai Tintop Ford E-350 4x4 Diesel M-29 Weasel |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: LA, CA
Posts: 1,293
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Hi everyone- looks like I'm late to the game here, but I just finished reading up on this thread. I've been considering an Isuzu diesel swap for over a year now, but did not have enough info. This thread answered a lot of questions.
Is anyone looking into this config for an FZJ80: Engine: Isuzu 4HE1 Tranny: AW450 Transfer Case: existing HF2AV (FZJ80) It seems to me this might be the easiest swap because: 1. it does not require an adapter from engine to tranny (although it may require one for the HF2AV transfer case) 2. for those of us in CA, we must obtain an engine with a build date equal to or newer than the vehicle it is going into for it to be legal, which narrows it down to the 4BD2 or the 4HE1 But has anyone looked into the basics of this config like clearance issues, etc? Has Rodney from Wholesale Automatics in AU responded to the questions about the AW450? Does he offer an extreme tranny rebuild on the AW450? __________________ Ex-'93 LC Owner; Now w/ '97 LX, no lockers. Bought 7/02 stock w/35k mi. Now at 101k mi w/ARB bar, OME 850/860, Revo 285s, SS brake lines, Silicone PHH, Breather Ext, PCV Catchcan, CDL, ScanGauge2, Alpine GPS/VehicleHub, Aux Fan, landtank-fanclutch-mod, Slee Speedo, Mobil 1. Soon: sliders, TJM locker Last edited by alaskacruiser; 11-08-07 at 02:31 PM. |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: valley of the sunstroke, AZ
Posts: 2,884
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i have a side by side pic of the two engines when i was doing the swap several pages back, you can see in the pic and you should have seen with the tape that the isuzu is not any taller than the 2F, in fact, its shorter under th |