isuzu 4BD1T swap?!

[88tlc]

Originally Posted by Dougal

Bellhousing as requested.

Please note, these are my best measurements but haven't been verified by anyone else.

http://users.actrix.co.nz/dougal.ell...ellhousing.PDF

thanks dougal, that is great. 425 mm PCD - this looks like the hole center to hole center dimension. whats PCD stand for? about 8 3/8 inches radius.

I will work on the landcruiser tranny bolt pattern, and will try and come up with similar measurements. thanks again!

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by 88tlc

thanks dougal, that is great. 425 mm PCD - this looks like the hole center to hole center dimension. whats PCD stand for? about 8 3/8 inches radius.

I will work on the landcruiser tranny bolt pattern, and will try and come up with similar measurements. thanks again!

PCD is Pitch Circle Diameter and yes it's the circle which passes through the centre of all the bellhousing bolts.

Happy to help.

[RHINO]

engine tranny AND transfer case,,,, who's gonna swap it in?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/99-20...spagenameZWDVW

[andrew.fletcher]

Hmmmmm........ Too bad it's a stick for my application needs. He doesn't state anything about tranny/transfer so it could just be for the motor even though they're pictured!

[RHINO]

maybe,,, i was thinking that stick mighta been for the tcase, but now i think its the full time one speed tcase.

[Bearcat80]

I'm not sure that's a t-case, I think maybe it's tranny with a PTO output...

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by Bearcat80

I'm not sure that's a t-case, I think maybe it's tranny with a PTO output...

Isuzu PTO's usually bolt into the side of their gearboxes. The 6 bolt cover over the PTO port can be seen on most heavy duty gearboxes from the US, japan or wherever.

[tntoyota]

Originally Posted by Bearcat80

I'm not sure that's a t-case, I think maybe it's tranny with a PTO output...

Originally Posted by Dougal

Isuzu PTO's usually bolt into the side of their gearboxes. The 6 bolt cover over the PTO port can be seen on most heavy duty gearboxes from the US, japan or wherever.

NOT an NPR

[RHINO]

you got it TNT,,, even thought the add says NPR its clearly not. the shifter is the giveaway, i'm surprised the others especially dougal didnt pick that up even after i mentioned the shifter.
bad bad mr dougal

[tntoyota]

Originally Posted by Bearcat80

I'm not sure that's a t-case, I think maybe it's tranny with a PTO output...

Originally Posted by Dougal

Isuzu PTO's usually bolt into the side of their gearboxes. The 6 bolt cover over the PTO port can be seen on most heavy duty gearboxes from the US, japan or wherever.

Hook, line and sinker




mo like dis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_Trooper

[RHINO]

oooooh man, i thought you were onto it ! the 4HE1 was never in a trooper or any variant, way too big an engine,,,, the guys on ebay are suspiciously located on florida so i am thinking import,,, i am trying to figure out what this came out of but i am leaning to a medium duty bus,,, i know the HIGER company used these engines in buses and a full time single speed 4x4 was a production for over the road adverse condition delivery vans in the country.

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by tntoyota

Hook, line and sinker

mo like dis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_Trooper

The biggest engine that trooper got was a 2.8L 4JB1T. It's a much smaller engine than the 4.7L 4HE1.
The lever we see is probably just sitting there.

The engine for sale is out of an older version of this.
http://trucksonline.co.nz/isuzunseri...ehicle_id=2135


4x4 NPR, often sold as an NPS.

[tntoyota]

Originally Posted by RHINO

oooooh man, i thought you were onto it ! the 4HE1 was never in a trooper or any variant, way too big an engine,,,, the guys on ebay are suspiciously located on florida so i am thinking import,,, i am trying to figure out what this came out of but i am leaning to a medium duty bus,,, i know the HIGER company used these engines in buses and a full time single speed 4x4 was a production for over the road adverse condition delivery vans in the country.

NOT a 4HE1



I have seen motors listed before from that guy, IIRC.

That tranny means shifter in cab NOT cable

Wika has less info than when I last saw it

What FRONT ENGINE NON CABOVER DIESEL 4WD does Isuzu produce?

The engine is so new they dont have the model # right or accurate info on it, hp/ torque/ lieter, just threw it out there looks like

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by tntoyota

NOT a 4HE1



I have seen motors listed before from that guy, IIRC.

That tranny means shifter in cab NOT cable

Wika has less info than when I last saw it

What FRONT ENGINE NON CABOVER DIESEL 4WD does Isuzu produce?

The engine is so new they dont have the model # right or accurate info on it, hp/ torque/ lieter, just threw it out there looks like

All of Isuzu's trucks are cabover, the only 4wd wagons they did were two generations of trooper and the rodeo/mu/wizard which had a slew of engines around the 3 litre mark. 4JG, 4JH, 4JX etc.
Most are electronic control, you would have a massive fight on your hands trying to get it working.
All have top mount intercoolers.

http://specs.amayama.com/specs-isuzu...01-july/13451/

Gearstick and transfer lever don't match, but I don't have any photos of a manual one.



All Isuzu diesels I've seen have the model number cast into the block in letters about 1 inch high. It'd be easy to confirm/deny if you could get a close look.

[RHINO]

Originally Posted by tntoyota

NOT a 4HE1




What FRONT ENGINE NON CABOVER DIESEL 4WD does Isuzu produce?

well my line of thought is that engine didnt have to be in an ISUZU so i was thinking of other applications, like the HIGER i mentioned.

i wish we had a better pic of it so we can see what engine it is if you dont think its a 4HE1, if we could just see the valve cover. i have seen other stuff from that guy also, which is why i'm sure its imported and not NPR.

dougal you think that shifter might just be sitting there? it looks pretty well attached to me but its a lousy pic. looks to me like it was all attached from the factory and he is just selling the engine, so, if its not a 4HE1 it certainly could be a troopy.

hmmm the plot thickens

[Dougal]

So who's going to pony up and ask the guy some questions?

[tntoyota]

Originally Posted by RHINO

hmmm the plot thickens

Yeah if he'd get a little farther away............farther............. further.................... whoa, thats it!



Google earth: Isuzu 4HE1



I like the low and too the left profile!

Originally Posted by Dougal

So who's going to pony up and ask the guy some questions?

Something tells me he wouldn't know.....IT'S RARE!!!! oooohh, ahhh...

[tntoyota]

Originally Posted by RHINO

tntoyota you think that shifter might just be sitting there? it looks pretty well attached to me but its a lousy pic. looks to me like it was all attached from the factory and he is just selling the engine, so, if its not a 4HE1 it certainly could be a troopy.

hmmm the plot thickens

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mitsu...QQcmdZViewItem

3rd or 4th pics looks funny for a reason (NPR style tranns,,,CABLE)




BTW guys the mythical Isuzu to Aisin bellhousing is out there just has to be found, I bet the one we know was DC'd because it was the same as another.

[astr]

TNT: The same automatic transmissions were used on both the Isuzu and Mitsubishi cab-overs, both the AW450 and the JR403E.

Rhino: It appears to be an automatic, judging by the fill tube on the left side, however, the standard auto tranny, at least here in the US that was fitted to the 4HE1 was t he AW450. All of the ones that I have seen have the starter on the left side along side the transmission and the one in the ebay ad appears to have the starter mount forward like on the 4BD1/2s. The starter cannot be mounted forward alongside the engine on a 4HE1 as that is where the injection pump is located and the injection pump is driven off a gear train that is at the rear of the engine.

As Dougal said, pto are on the side of the tranny and way forward on the left side (AW450 & JR403E). I would be willing to bet that we are seeing a T-case. Although the shifter appears to be mounted, it is possible that it is connected with a cable and just happens to be sitting there.

I've seen thiis guy (exportini) sell other Isuzu stuff on ebay always asking top dollar. I talked to a local guy that had a 4BD1T for sale that he had purchased originally from exportini and he was not very happy with what he got.

Here is a picture of a US 4HE1T from approximately the same angle:

[tntoyota]

As much as I hate to disagree with you, (about the Ebay thingy)

1: What ever that is it was not sold here

2: Who cares what tranny it is it has a RH drop TC, bolt in 80?? And apparently can handle power!

3: If it is AT who cares shifter is for TC so PT 4wd and will bo....should bolt in 80. Dip is for fluid level.

4: If it is MT then there is no TC shifter and should be FT AWD appears to have sillynoids for the TC and dip is for TC fluid level?

5: That is the most narrow tranns I've seen for NPR size truck motor I thought they where short and fat.

6: If it was cable shift it should show over 4ft of coiled cable, there is NO possable way IF it is non cable shifter for it to just sit there, even if the steel band was holding it in place. It would have to go down into the tranny.

7: This could go on forever although this is fun If anyone suggests we delete post's I'll be happy to.

8: Some one from Florida needs to go I ball it, this appears to be able to solve multiple problems. Adaptors, etc. AT? then PT 4wd, RH drop TC, MT......hell yes I'll take two!!!..and RH drop TC.


9: I am still lost what da hell dis come from?


10: If I had a 4cyl turbo diesel I would go myself!


11: My P4WOR mag (4xporn) just arrived time for some "me" time

[RHINO]

i think this is a good brainstorming session on what that drivetrain could be,,,, we all seem to be mostly agreeing but from different angles. we know its imported, almost all that guys stuff is, but from what?

he hasnt returned my Q's yet.

[astr]

Originally Posted by RHINO

engine tranny AND transfer case,,,, who's gonna swap it in?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/99-20...spagenameZWDVW

Just out of curiosity, I called the seller. He claims that there is an excellent chance that the photo in the ad does not match the item that is for sale. The office "girls" who place the ads don't necessarily know what the engine looks like when they post the picture. All 4HE1T's that he currently has are out of US NPR trucks so could not have a transfer case.

Answer to the "what is it puzzle": the photo isn't of a 4HE1T.

[andrew.fletcher]

So he must not be too concerned about actually selling this engine then.

[tntoyota]

Originally Posted by astr

Answer to the "what is it puzzle": the photo isn't of a 4HE1T.

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by astr

Just out of curiosity, I called the seller. He claims that there is an excellent chance that the photo in the ad does not match the item that is for sale. The office "girls" who place the ads don't necessarily know what the engine looks like when they post the picture.

Well that's an interesting way of doing business.

[rtarh2o]

After thinking hard about the GM 6.2 I think I am back to the Isuzu again. I am really interested in best mileage and reliability and I am not sure if the 6.2 will give me what I want in either of those two. Now that I am looking again (my previous engine deal fell through!) has anyone seen this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/REMAN...spagenameZWDVW Will a 96 work? It says it is still mechanical. It looks nice and for the price I don't think I could buy a used one and rebuild it. The only drawback is the misc parts I would need from a donor truck. Any idea what else I would need and about how much it would cost? Rusty 94 FZJ80

[astr]

It is a 4BD2, an indirect injected engine, that is being offered for sale. Also, read through the seller's feedback. Do you really want to buy from him? This is the same seller who posted the wrong picture that caused all the excitement starting at Post #453 of this thread.