I Need a Mechanic In Calgary Stalling Issues

[kup99]

Hey guys I have a 1991 HDJ81, 1HD-T and am having some trouble with the old girl... things were fine untill the weather turned on me and now I can get her to start (last night it went down to -15 C and she started this morning without being plugged in), and it seems to idle well, but when I put a load on it (rev up the engine, or try to drive) she stalls out on me.. I am not sure what the problem is, and I think it is beyond my ability..If anyone knows of a good shop (or can attempt to help me fix) that knows what they are doing with regards to these things please let me know as I need the Landcruiser in good running order as soon as possible.. Thanks for the help Gang....

[nickw]

Could the fuel be gelled? Or partly jelled?

Maybe try some Stanadayne or other diesel fuel additive.
Put some in the tank (double or triple doase) and run it for a while (20 - 30 min).
If it works, it's a cheap fix, if it doesn't your not out very much money, and its good for your truck anyways. Just make sure the additive is for a diesel, and spefically has "anti-gel" properties. I know lordco sells some, and its about $12 (in a white/green package. I think it's called Power-Kleen?).

Best of luck,
Cheers,
Nick

[kup99]

I did try to put some antigel stuff in, but I will try to put more and see what happens.... It seems to start O.K. and idle o.k., but when it gets a load put on it is when it stalls out... I can't figure it out... I have a new fuel filter, and I think I will try that too, but it's all a crap shoot at this point...

do you think it could be gelling even though it seems to idle o.k.

also if I put it in neutral quick and hit the accelerator as it is about to stall, it still stalls out like it isi not getting fuel?? I'm lost on this one guys!! PLEASE HELP

[nickw]

Hello Darren,

I am no expert, but it sounds like fuel to me.
Try more anti-gel stuff.

The lines could be partial gelled.
The weather got cold fast, so you could have a mix of #1 and #2 diesel.

If the line is partially gelled, it might be getting just enough fuel to idle, but not enough to run. Try more and let it idle awhile. If you have a garage, push it in there to warm up. You might also want to consider running some fuel conditioner with every tank. It stops issues like this, as well as is good for the truck.

I know right now I have summer diesel mix in my tank, but beacuse I run a double dose of Stanadyne with every tank it has not gelled.

So I would get some stuff specifically for gelled lines.
I could be wrong here, but even if I am its probably only $15 bucks, and by far a cheaper option then a tow+mechanic.
Maybe call a diesel shop (Finning, Kenworth, etc...) and see what they have.
Tell them you think your lines are gelled, and you want some strong stuff.

Cheers,
Nick

[nickw]

Darren,

Here is another idea/aternitive to no warm garage.
How much fuel is in your tank?
If its low (or under half), go get some gerry cans of diesel (number 2 (winter)diesel) Bring it in the house and warm it up. (over night).
Then pour it in the tank (with some anti-gel stuff) that might help warm whats already gelled in the tank/lines.

They key here is the engine being able to idle.
If it was gelled solid (not startable) your problem gets a lot harder.

You also might get lucky during the heat of the day today.
It might get warm enough to ungel. If you do, go find a station with winter diesel (number 2) and fill it up (and don't forget the conditioner ).

Cheers,
N.

[UpsideDown]

I have a few suggestions for you:

Try replacing your filters, and draining your water separator.

-15C is not all that cold. I had my BJ42 in Saskatchewan years ago at around -30 and it started up alright (had to start it twice to get enough oil pressure to keep it going), though it was sluggish.

Also, it could be your fuel feed pump is not cooperating and your injection pump is starving out.

If you want to "anti-gel" your diesel fuel, it is ill-advised to do the old trick of adding some gasoline to each tank due to the lack of lubricity of low sulfur diesel fuels and also due to the "varnish" that gasoline can leave behind on the injectors. Try instead to purchase high quality fuel at a high volume seller and add anti-gel or addtives as you see fit. Note that most premium diesels have additives already installed.

~John

[dieseldan]

I'd suggest a post in the Intn'l JDM Alliance section as well as your local club - likely get some good local help there as well.

good luck.

[kup99]

O.K. guys thanks for the help.... I got some DE-GEL from the local NAPA store and I replaced the fuel filter ...I am currently letting the DE-Gel do its thing and will be starting the truck soon to see if it helped... I will let it run for quite a while, and see if this helps.. thanks again for all of the help...I'll keep you posted.. also if others have any other suggestions please keep them coming.. thanks again,

[kup99]

O.K. guys... I started the truck and she ran better within 5 min of running then she did after 45min this morning....awesome.... I let it run for a couple of hours (along with a couple of trips) and managed to use some fuel...now I am going to go and add more antigel, and top the old girl up... I'll keep you posted... again... the more feedback the better.. and thanks again

[maxpowerHJ60]

Same thing happened to me last night, truck just started going slower and slower then finally stalled out. Got a degelling product from Napa today and I'm back to cruising!

[bigbrowndog]

Boy, I thought you guys may have an algai problem , but it seems the fuel is breaking down from the cold? -15C, no wonder why I suppose.Seems you have sused it out ok. Sunny 30C here today, not too hot yet. cheers.

[kup99]

O.K. here's the latest... Everyting was running PERFECT last night.. then I go start it this morning and the same shit....idles fine, then give her some fuel and she stalls out again.....must be gelling up overnight... I think I need to add more DE-gel and yet more antigel as well... Here's the plan for now... I am going to drive it to the local Mall with underground parking tonight or tomorrow.. let it sit for hours (all day) then I am going to let her run for a good couple of hours to get everything through the old system... let me know what you think..

[crushers]

Darren, i went out to fire up the HZJ73 today and it was gutless. it wasn't the fuel, it was the tranny sucking the power out of it. once it was warmed up it ran like a top...
i will guess yours is an auto?
if so try letting it idle in "N" to get the fluids turning..

[kup99]

Thanks Wayne,

I do usually let it idle in "N".. I am pretty sure that mine is a fuel problem... it happens to idle fine, but then even when I just try to rev the engine a bit (pull the hand idle) it will rev up then stall out.. like it is not getting enough fuel... I am pretty sure this is my problem... usualyy when I get home from work it seems to run like a top ... sounds like gelling to me I think...

Thanks again,

[kup99]

put another bottle for DE-Gel in the cruiser and let it truck run for a couple of hours and it eventually ran just fine.. probably still going to hit a mall parkade before or during the weekend....let it DE-Gel completely and try to birn out the tank a.s.a.p.

[knorrena]

You might just have a bad tank of fuel. I have heard that mercedes recommended adding a little bit of gas to thier diesels in the winter. This might be a plausible solution for you. You could add say a litre of gas and see what happens. This sounds dangerous and frankly its an easy bit of advice to give cause its not my truck; however, if it were my truck i would still try it. the gas will be sufficiently diluted that it would have little effect other than possibly eliminating the effect of the bad diesel fuel. Of course I could be wrong, but thats never happened before .

Karl

[crushers]

keroseen... 1 L per tank...

[kup99]

keroseen?? where do you buy that?? Walmart?? never bought it before... is it harmful?? not a fan of putting gas in the truck, but I am new to deisels.. please share more info... thanks,

[crushers]

it is an old trucker trick or so i am told, suppose to help the burning of the fuel...
some campfire stoves use it...

[brownbear]

I bet there is water in there. And you are getting a restriction when its cold. If you haven't already. Ensure the water seperator is drained and if need be change your filters. To get any water out of the system though you will have to warm the vehicle up above freezing.

I'm trying to remember what people use for de-icing in a diesel... Its not the same stuff as gas engines use. Call a truck stop and ask if they have the stuff.

-15 is not cold. But it below frezzing for water.


EDIT: I am thinking winter diesel. It could cloud at -15 if he has summer #1 in there.

[brownbear]

I second adding a litre keroseen if you want.

[kup99]

o.k. I'm not that mechanically inclined... where is the water seperator, and how do I drain it??? also where do you purchase kerosene, and what does it do?? thanks again,

[brownbear]

If you have an owners manual it may list the water seperator.

Kerosene can be bought in a jug at Crappy tire. It helps thin out the fuel a bit. Kerosene is basically diesel anyhow. Just refined differently.

If you cannot find the seperator. Crawl under the vehicle and trace the fuel lines to the Injection pump from the tank. On a 60 series it is on the frame rail. I have no clue on a 80. it is a bowl with a plug on the bottom. Crack the plug and catch the fuel in a clear clean container. Afterwards you can look at the fuel to see if there is any water in it.

If the fuel doesn't come out, or nothing comes out it may still be frozen, or you have an airlock in it. Then you loosen one of the fuel lines going into it. but then you have to rebleed the fuel system. So better not if you don't have manuals to help you.

As far as finding a good mechanic... I don't know Calgary all that well for that. But I would look into possibly taking it to garage that sees diesels often. So maybe a larger truck place, a fuel injection type place. Or maybe even a domestic dealership that gets a lot of diesel trucks.

There is a Hino dealership in Calgary. They might look at it.

First of all, unthaw it. If thats even a problem(being frozen).

I seriously do not think diesel is going to gell at minus 15. I have used diesels in minus 30 and more many time and never had an issue.

Jet fuel doesn't even gell till well below -50. I think even -75.

[brownbear]

http://www.powerservice.com/diesel_911Winter.asp

[brownbear]

http://www.promiles.com/PhaseTech/Default.asp

[brownbear]

Doing a little searching I did remember one thing. You may have a tank of Number 2 diesel in there. Summer diesel. And it can gel at low temps such as minus 15. Or start to cloud.

Winter diesel, what every pump should be serving my now goes easily to -40.

Adding kerosene does make it similar to number 1.

[crushers]

your fuel filter is your water seperator on the HDJ81...

[kup99]

o.k. thanks ... I changed it a couple of days ago.... going to crappy tire today to get some kerosene.. all the best guys....also doing a lot of drining around today to burn out this tank... thanks Guys..i'll keep you posted...

[CanSurf]

Hi Everyone,

I'd like to get this thread going again as I bought this truck from Darren and am having the same problem he was with the cold weather and stalling issues.

It's not gelled fuel and the changing of the fuel filter did not appear to help Darren at all. He had the injector pump rebuilt and that didn't seem to help either.

Any other ideas?

Thanks,

Wes

[cody c]

i wonder if it could be the fuel pickup or filter in the tank is plugged.