another one bites the dust

[endless]

landfills must be full of 2lt engines and another one just got added to the heap...mine. after having the head replaced in may, the turbo decided it was his turn and delivered a piece of the impeller into #4 valve and cylinder/piston, delivering a virtual death blow to the 2lt. all my sinning has come back to haunt me. good riddance! not being a sucker for punishment (hmm.....i bought it, didn't i?), i don't want to replace it with another 2lt.

so, my question to you bigger techies than i is; what advice do you have regarding a replacement engine? it's a '90 prado and in beautiful shape and i already have a lot of coin invested, so i don't want to give up on her.

[Radd Cruisers]

How about the 3L.

[light_duty]

Don't landfill it! Part it out on ebay. Interested in selling the injection pump? Send me a PM.

Bolt-in options in include the 3L and the 1KZ-TE. There was a thread on the JDM parts section where someone was selling engines from Japan. I'll see if I can find it...

[light_duty]

Can't find the thread, sorry. Maybe someone else remembers it...I think it was an American guy bringing diesels in. Can't remember his nickname.

Honestly, the easiest and least expensive route is to go with another 2L-TE. That way you've got a whole engine worth of spares sitting there, including a new head. What happened with your turbo is quite rare and not an indication that the 2L-TE is prone to all different kinds of mechanical failures.

My two bits.

[Radd Cruisers]

Would a 1995 3L work?

[Japan4X4]

1KZ, 4 cylinder 3 litre. Nice motor.

I doubt it will be a direct bolt in though.

[crushers]

can you elaborate since there could be a good market for those that have lost their heads/engines but love the truck...

[strong88]

Originally Posted by Japan4X4

1KZ, 4 cylinder 3 litre. Nice motor.

I doubt it will be a direct bolt in though.

It will bolt on if you use the bell housing of the 1KZ. Had it done to my'91 LJ78 when the engine started blowing white smoke at start up and when idle for a few minutes. I was advised against having it overhauled and instead replace it with a 1KZ.

Andy

[crushers]

thanks Andy, did the tranny imput shaft have to be changed?

[endless]

i forgot to mention that the broken piece from the turbo damaged the head, too. shit happens! thanks all for your input.

[crushers]

in what way?

[semlin]

bummer. i am more and more glad i didn't buy a prado last year when i had the chance.

the guy who installed my windshield told me these guys are now getting into importing diesels. no idea if it is true but assuming G&S doesn't stock anything it's worth a call.

http://www.jkjapaneseengine.com/

[Kaney]

does it have to be diesel? if it doesnt go with the 2jz (later mdel supra) they are cheapish and go extremely well. there isa guy over here replaced his 2lte with a 1kz then it shat itself as well, and has gone to the 2jz. they have awsome power as well (in low range 1st it read something like just under 800 hp)

[crushers]

hummm, makes me wonder if it might have something to do with the driver...
;^)

what kind of shape was the KZ in to begin with? how many km? the history...

we never got the KZ here so i have no idea as to the reliability issues...

[Brunei Prado]

I have a 1KZ-TE in my prado (original). It has a lot of power but uses enormous amounts of fuel. When I use it around town I think I do 1lt every 6 to 7 km. Highway (if you can call the roads here like that) 1lt every 8 km. Luckily with the gas prices being the lowest in the area ( U$ 0.20 a liter) I do not complain that much.
Had some problems with the oil return pipe, they repaired it the first time, second time they replaced it with a hose but left the begin and end so they could fit the hose. Then it completely broke off where it enters the engine (huge oilspill).
Other then that it smokes a little even after cleaning the injectors.
But all in all a nice engine with lots of power.

Regards

Brunei Prado

[Brunei Prado]

Oh yes, the engine just passed 250000 km this weekend

[strong88]

Originally Posted by crushers

thanks Andy, did the tranny imput shaft have to be changed?

Wayne I don't think they had to change that. But what I do know is that they had to re-position the engine mounts because it would definitely hit the steering gear box. In Manila its illegal to drive a right hand drive vehicle. Our road system is the same as the US and Canada, so my vehicle's steering had to be transferred to the left side. No problems so far with the turning radius. The 1KZ seems to be performing better than tha 2LTE. I average about 8kms to a litre on log straight drives but that figur drops when in the city.
Try this link to check it out.

http://www.imagestation.com/7983719/3968446116

Andy

[crushers]

nice clean rig there Andy, congrates...

[crushers]

Originally Posted by Brunei Prado

I have a 1KZ-TE in my prado (original). It has a lot of power
But all in all a nice engine with lots of power.
Brunei Prado

thanks Brunei, lots of power is reason enough for the swap and 250,000 is nothing to sneeze at...
congrates

[strong88]

Here are some pore pictures of my rig:
http://www.imagestation.com/7983719/3968446108
http://www.imagestation.com/7983719/3968446101
http://www.imagestation.com/7983719/3968446089
http://www.imagestation.com/7983719/3968445981
http://www.imagestation.com/7983719/3968446068
http://www.imagestation.com/7983719/3968445974

[dieseldog]

Originally Posted by Brunei Prado

I have a 1KZ-TE in my prado (original). It has a lot of power but uses enormous amounts of fuel. When I use it around town I think I do 1lt every 6 to 7 km. Highway (if you can call the roads here like that) 1lt every 8 km. Luckily with the gas prices being the lowest in the area ( U$ 0.20 a liter) I do not complain that much.
Had some problems with the oil return pipe, they repaired it the first time, second time they replaced it with a hose but left the begin and end so they could fit the hose. Then it completely broke off where it enters the engine (huge oilspill).
Other then that it smokes a little even after cleaning the injectors.
But all in all a nice engine with lots of power.

Regards

Brunei Prado

I can't speak to how you drive or work your truck; however, my 1KZ-T - powered Land Cruiser regularly gives me between 19-21 miles per gallon, depending on city or highway useage. That's U.S. gallons and not Imperial. I have never bothered to calculate what that would be in terms of liters/100km.

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by dieseldog

I can't speak to how you drive or work your truck; however, my 1KZ-T - powered Land Cruiser regularly gives me between 19-21 miles per gallon, depending on city or highway useage. That's U.S. gallons and not Imperial. I have never bothered to calculate what that would be in terms of liters/100km.

21 miles/gallon(US) = 11.2006944 litres/100 km
Thats respectable enough .My brothers KZJ90 uses a little more proably because of a heavier body
My 1HZ in the 73 series uses about 13l/100klms

[denis]

I once achieved 18L/100km highway driving with a big trailer, otherwise you can't really get far below 12L unless you limp into economy mode, in which you'd still be a lot faster than a L series anyway
The KZ heads have a tendency to crack as well, sooner or later depending on the usual stress factors. Some high mileage units also encounter block cracking in the cylinder wall, I have one in the shop with 280000km.

[endless]

nice ride, strong88. no snow tires? sounds like good gas mileage. do you have a blower? what about a pyrometer to measure exhaust temp? do you think it is necessary for the kz? the response from denis is a bit of a red flag. do you have concerns? adds to the confusion.

[2rivers]

IF the question is "what is a fool / bomb proof 4 cyl Toyota diesel motor?" The crusty and trusty 3B is likely the candidate - and been bantered about to death vs 13bt vs 1hz vs 2h etcetc...and I'm not interested in debating that again. I would look at the 3L personally and nothing else in the truck your considering. just my opinion...
Sorry to hear your pains...
Good LUck.
JOhnny

[crushers]

my concerns about the venerable 3B, 13BT is the weight difference between the 2LTE and that heavy monster of an engine.
f it was a leaf sprung unit then you could add a leaf to the pack to compensate but coils is not the same. also then you are looking at rad changes, tranny change, exhaust work etc etc.

i wen tto take a look at the engine at ProActive and the turbo was not the cause of the demise it was a dropped valve, the head is damaged but probably repairable, the cyl #4 is scored badly, the exhaust pieces went into the exhuast turbine and there is damage to the turbo so...
a repaired head, new piston, sleeve the cylinder and check the crank for damage... costly but able to be done.
KZ engine with bell housing and minor mods to make it fit.
3L with the turbo and exhaust "should" be a direct bolt up with minor mods.

sell the girl for as much as you can get and buy a different rig and cut your losses.

take it to the hills and roll it and get your money back from the insurance company... <not recommended, insurance fraud is not a joking matter>

cheers

[Psilosin]

Sorry to hear about your bad luck.

I still think its strange that these 2LTE (2LTII) equipped vehicles managed to survive for 15 years in Japan (assuming they are not pre-cracked at the auction) and then by all acounts are committing mass suicide shortly after arriving in Canada (and Australia). I still think it has to have something to do with how we drive here, my Surf hardly breaks a sweat to cruise all day at 80km/h, but it is definately working hard to cruise at 100km/h. The 2LT, 2CT, 1KZ and even the 3L have quite a number of tales of head cracking and/or general overheating issues from various forums I have visited so picking a replacement Toyota diesel sure isn't a no brainer unfortunately.

One other swap you might want to think about, that won't be diesel, but would kick some ass, would be the 4.0L V8 from the Toyota Celsior/Lexus LS400. Very reliable and lots of power. Saw a write up in 4WD Monthly a year or so ago of a guy who did that in his Surf in Australia. I think a company in Australia called Marks even makes the adapter you would need. Sorry I don't have any links, just going from memory.

[Island Moose]

Originally Posted by Psilosin

(assuming they are not pre-cracked at the auction).

Maybe too big an assumption?...though I suppose it's possible that highway speeds are the nail in the coffin.

[crushers]

highway speeds, head winds, steep looong hills, heavy right foot...