do you notice a general decline in land cruiser mojo over the years?

erics_bruisers · 01-31-06, 10:53 AM

I just picked up an FJ-60 and have put a good 700-800 miles on it in the past few days --

-- she's got 238K on the clock, a good body, and an immaculate interior.

It's hard not to notice a general change in the cruisers over the years --

-- my '94 -- I like it, but as I said before, it's like a big camry -- something's just not too sexy about it -- nor does it really feel like a truck --

-- my '91 -- that's what started it -- this is a truck, and feels like one -- the 3FE made it real --

-- the '89 -- here is where i really felt like i had a classic truck -- like something nostalgic --

-- the '87 -- here i realized Toyota has lost something over the years in the functional beauty of these trucks. The 4-speed is like an old friend here, I feel like there's a whole new view of the road looking out her windows, I am amazed that humans could ever engineer and assemble a truck to run 240K miles and still look on the interior still like a show-room.

I don't know -- something seems to be waning here, and the FJ-Cruiser thingie doesn't seem like it's going to break this negative trend.

Toyota built some great old trucks that felt like trucks and that were trucks through and through -- and that seems to changing rapidly.

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beaufort-fj60 · 01-31-06, 10:55 AM

you have a 60? post some pics

NorCalDoug · 01-31-06, 10:59 AM

let me see if I get what you're saying...

87 = rugged, sexy, manly
89 = same as 87, sorta
91 = sexy, but not as manly and rugged
94 = soft, cushy, not sexy

Is that what you're saying, in a nutshell?

beaufort-fj60 · 01-31-06, 11:00 AM

no, i was saying that i want to see a pic of the 60

erics_bruisers · 01-31-06, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorCalDoug

let me see if I get what you're saying...

87 = rugged, sexy, manly
89 = same as 87, sorta
91 = sexy, but not as manly and rugged
94 = soft, cushy, not sexy

Is that what you're saying, in a nutshell?

um, i don't know where you're gonna go with this, so i'm abstaining comment --

here's the 60 --

beaufort-fj60 · 01-31-06, 11:03 AM

i see rust, but nice no dents

are those old NWTF stickers?

erics_bruisers · 01-31-06, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by beaufort-fj60

i see rust, but nice no dents

there is rust --

-- it was $2K --

i like the rust, actually --

erics_bruisers · 01-31-06, 11:06 AM

what is N-WTF?

bought it from original owner --

-- dude has every fill-up and miles documented --

-- oil changes at 3K since new documented, along with a myriad of new dealer parts, where he dropped it off with an "it won't start" diagnosis --

-- i am happy --

beaufort-fj60 · 01-31-06, 11:07 AM

no -, just NWTF, national wild turkey fnd.

loeky · 01-31-06, 11:39 AM

thing is, in about 10-15 more years the 80s will be vintage rides and the 60s will be downright ancient.

Jman · 01-31-06, 11:48 AM

Just your cruiser mojo. . . .

e9999 · 01-31-06, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by erics_bruisers

um, i don't know where you're gonna go with this, so i'm abstaining comment --

here's the 60 --

I don't know, man, it looks kinda squashed...

Josh83 · 01-31-06, 11:53 AM

My first cruiser experiance was with test driving a few 40's when I wasn't even old enough to drive. I was hooked, but it just wasn't in the cards at the time. Fast forward to the purchase of the 100, then the 80 and I was loving life...until I got around guys with 40's and 60's and realized what I didn't have. I am jonesing for a 60 just like yours condition wise, but I want a BROWN one. Nothing says 80's toyota truck like brown. Maybe after I change jobs I can sneak a 60 past the finance committee(my wife

).

macneill · 01-31-06, 01:18 PM

I find the 100 and 60 give me the best of both worlds.

Cruiser_Nerd · 01-31-06, 01:20 PM

All the mojo was gone by the time the FJ40 was introduced.

tucker74 · 01-31-06, 01:25 PM

You're right Eric - there's just something about the old ones. Wait until you get a tractor engine (F) and 3-speed ... you'll be grinning right through that big 'ole steering wheel

Tucker

tucker74 · 01-31-06, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruiser_Nerd

All the mojo was gone by the time the FJ40 was introduced.

Play nice or we'll have to send you back to your parts pile ....

Tucker (you know I want one too!)

Cruiserdrew · 01-31-06, 01:44 PM

Boy Eric-just wait until you take the pits for a ride in a 100 series! There is so little mojo, you'll have to switch to Toy Poodle rescue.

erics_bruisers · 01-31-06, 01:47 PM

it's just weird, you get in a 60 and say, "damn, these guys knew how to build TRUCKS" --

-- and when you get in a 100, you take a nap --

:|

Living in the Past · 01-31-06, 01:58 PM

Quote

Quote:

Originally posted by Cruiser_Nerd All the mojo was gone by the time the FJ40 was introduced.

X2

Once you have driven a 25 off road no other cruiser can compare. Of course this may be a good thing

John

macneill · 01-31-06, 02:23 PM

In stock form I agree, the 100 has zero mojo.

However, a couple of mods like lift, winch, bull bar, exhaust and MTRs can make all the difference.

FJBen · 01-31-06, 03:19 PM

Once again the forgotten 55!

Nothing screams MOJO like the Austin Power teeth-look of the 55!!!!

YAH BABY!!!

Trollhole · 01-31-06, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erics_bruisers

I don't know -- something seems to be waning here, and the FJ-Cruiser thingie doesn't seem like it's going to break this negative trend.

Toyota built some great old trucks that felt like trucks and that were trucks through and through -- and that seems to changing rapidly.

e

I have a FJ40 and a Jeep Grand Cherokee. The best of bost worlds to me.

A vehicle that the cruiserheads love and a vehicle that pisses them off.

Reality in the days of having that truck feel are over for new vehicles. We truck lovers are about .0000000001 percent of the mass SUV market. Nobody is going to cater to us. At least the FJ is a step in the right direction. Give it 20 years or so to become old and full of PO mods. I think you might like it.

Team Zissou · 01-31-06, 03:23 PM

I left my '60 at my parents place over Thanksgiving because I had a couple of tires blow and no place had 33" BFGs in stock. My old man took it to his mechanic for a tune up (everything was fine, as I could have told him) and this mechanic had never been under a Cruiser before.

When we picked the vehicle up, the guy said "that's the beefiest f*$%&^# 4x4 I've ever seen." It makes a man feel good when his mostly stock ride can elicit a comment like that from a dude who makes his livin' working on cars. I don't think an 80 or 100 would get that comment

Cruiserdrew · 01-31-06, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Phaedrus06

When we picked the vehicle up, the guy said "that's the beefiest f*$%&^# 4x4 I've ever seen." It makes a man feel good when his mostly stock ride can elicit a comment like that from a dude who makes his livin' working on cars. I don't think an 80 or 100 would get that comment

An 80 might. It's even beefier than a 60, and the squared off front axle housing looks huge, even though we all know it has a smaller diff.

25s and 40's == 100% mojo
55s == 95% mojo
60s == 85% mojo
62s == 75% mojo
70s == 90% mojo
80s == 65% mojo
100s == 40% mojo
FJCruiser == 5% mojo (bezel)

surfpig · 01-31-06, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruiserdrew

55s == 95% mojo

Woo Hoo! 95% Mojo!

Spook50 · 01-31-06, 04:35 PM

All I can tell you is that every knucklenut I talk to about my truck calls it an SUV. IT'S NOT AN SUV DAMNIT!!

SUV = built primarily for city driving, with 4WD as a secondary function (or afterthought, in Ford's case)

truck = either a pickup, or a 4x4 build PRIMARILY AS A 4x4.

Okay done ranting.

Gumby · 01-31-06, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FJBen

Once again the forgotten 55!

Nothing screams MOJO like the Austin Power teeth-look of the 55!!!!

YAH BABY!!!

The 55 has gobs of mojo.

If you define mojo as "character". It's got character like an old brit bike. I wouldn't loan it to anybody 'cause nobody I know could drive the thing without an hour of instruction.

If you define mojo as attractive to women, the 55 is lacking a bit, but what the Hell do they know.

01-31-06, 10:53 AM	#1
erics_bruisers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: where little orange diesels roam Posts: 1,765	do you notice a general decline in land cruiser mojo over the years? I just picked up an FJ-60 and have put a good 700-800 miles on it in the past few days -- -- she's got 238K on the clock, a good body, and an immaculate interior. It's hard not to notice a general change in the cruisers over the years -- -- my '94 -- I like it, but as I said before, it's like a big camry -- something's just not too sexy about it -- nor does it really feel like a truck -- -- my '91 -- that's what started it -- this is a truck, and feels like one -- the 3FE made it real -- -- the '89 -- here is where i really felt like i had a classic truck -- like something nostalgic -- -- the '87 -- here i realized Toyota has lost something over the years in the functional beauty of these trucks. The 4-speed is like an old friend here, I feel like there's a whole new view of the road looking out her windows, I am amazed that humans could ever engineer and assemble a truck to run 240K miles and still look on the interior still like a show-room. I don't know -- something seems to be waning here, and the FJ-Cruiser thingie doesn't seem like it's going to break this negative trend. Toyota built some great old trucks that felt like trucks and that were trucks through and through -- and that seems to changing rapidly. e __________________ www.spbr.org FJ-60/62/80, FZJ-80

01-31-06, 10:59 AM	#3
NorCalDoug I Solve Problems... Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: uhhhh...duh...Northern CA TLCA# yes, I have one Posts: 5,063	let me see if I get what you're saying... 87 = rugged, sexy, manly 89 = same as 87, sorta 91 = sexy, but not as manly and rugged 94 = soft, cushy, not sexy Is that what you're saying, in a nutshell? __________________ a couple pairs of pink panties... Another convert to the Church of Latter Day Swank, a sub-cult of Shahrislam "...Opportunity doesn't knock, you have to kick the fuckin door in and drag the bitch out screamin." -- Ullr "I have more respect for people who change their views after acquiring new information than for those who cling to views they held thirty years ago. The world changes. Ideologues and zealots don't." - Michael Crichton Buy TEQ Bottle Openers

01-31-06, 11:06 AM	#8
erics_bruisers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: where little orange diesels roam Posts: 1,765	what is N-WTF? bought it from original owner -- -- dude has every fill-up and miles documented -- -- oil changes at 3K since new documented, along with a myriad of new dealer parts, where he dropped it off with an "it won't start" diagnosis -- -- i am happy -- __________________ www.spbr.org FJ-60/62/80, FZJ-80

01-31-06, 11:39 AM	#10
loeky IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: san francisco TLCA# 15198 Posts: 603	thing is, in about 10-15 more years the 80s will be vintage rides and the 60s will be downright ancient. __________________ Matt N. 87 FJ60 - 182K- 32" MT/R's, 2" Ironman Lift, Tuffy, ARB, Norcold, Manual Gauges & 1 Rebuilt F'ing Head & Gasket

01-31-06, 11:53 AM	#13
Josh83 IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Frankfort, KY TLCA# 11847 Posts: 749	My first cruiser experiance was with test driving a few 40's when I wasn't even old enough to drive. I was hooked, but it just wasn't in the cards at the time. Fast forward to the purchase of the 100, then the 80 and I was loving life...until I got around guys with 40's and 60's and realized what I didn't have. I am jonesing for a 60 just like yours condition wise, but I want a BROWN one. Nothing says 80's toyota truck like brown. Maybe after I change jobs I can sneak a 60 past the finance committee(my wife). __________________ Josh 08 FJC - my first new vehicle! 91 FJ80-coming soon

01-31-06, 10:55 AM	#2
beaufort-fj60 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,281	you have a 60? post some pics

01-31-06, 11:00 AM	#4
beaufort-fj60 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,281	no, i was saying that i want to see a pic of the 60

01-31-06, 11:03 AM	#6
beaufort-fj60 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,281	i see rust, but nice no dents are those old NWTF stickers?

01-31-06, 11:07 AM	#9
beaufort-fj60 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,281	no -, just NWTF, national wild turkey fnd.

01-31-06, 01:18 PM	#14
macneill Rollin’ on 33s... Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Brooklyn / Edgartown / Oak Bluffs TLCA# 12733 Posts: 3,375	I find the 100 and 60 give me the best of both worlds. __________________ 1981 FJ60 - Martha’s Vineyard - 210K, OME, BFG ATs, MAF header, hi-flo cat and Magnaflow, Surco Safari Rack, Rod Racks. 2002 UZJ100 - Brooklyn - 44K, OME 865, OME T-Bars, TJM T-15, TJM RB8, Slee Diff-Drop, Slee Tube Sliders, African Outback Roof Rack, Borla & SLP Exhaust, Warn, IPF, PIAA, Toyo Open Country ATs. Gotham City Land Cruisers Yankee Toys Bay to Blue Ridge Cruisers

01-31-06, 01:20 PM	#15
Cruiser_Nerd That 25 Guy. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Higganum. TLCA# 12092 Posts: 2,537	All the mojo was gone by the time the FJ40 was introduced. __________________ Jim FJ25.com "The FJ25 is almost humorous in its simplicity, but therein lies its beauty." Nina Padgett - Autoweek

01-31-06, 01:25 PM	#16
tucker74 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,931	You're right Eric - there's just something about the old ones. Wait until you get a tractor engine (F) and 3-speed ... you'll be grinning right through that big 'ole steering wheel Tucker __________________ '94 FZJ80 '76 FJ40 www.walcs.com

01-31-06, 01:44 PM	#18
Cruiserdrew KI6MIE Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sacramento, CA TLCA# 11734 Posts: 7,186	Boy Eric-just wait until you take the pits for a ride in a 100 series! There is so little mojo, you'll have to switch to Toy Poodle rescue. __________________ Andrew 1971 FJ-40 Rubicon tested, 2F powered, some mods 1976 FJ40 Rusting slowly in the back yard 1984 FJ-60 H55f, 4.11, OME, Daily Driver 1989 FJ-62 117k-son's driver for now-low and slow 1997 FZJ-80 Driveway queen

01-31-06, 01:47 PM	#19
erics_bruisers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: where little orange diesels roam Posts: 1,765	it's just weird, you get in a 60 and say, "damn, these guys knew how to build TRUCKS" -- -- and when you get in a 100, you take a nap -- :\| __________________ www.spbr.org FJ-60/62/80, FZJ-80

01-31-06, 02:23 PM	#21
macneill Rollin’ on 33s... Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Brooklyn / Edgartown / Oak Bluffs TLCA# 12733 Posts: 3,375	In stock form I agree, the 100 has zero mojo. However, a couple of mods like lift, winch, bull bar, exhaust and MTRs can make all the difference. __________________ 1981 FJ60 - Martha’s Vineyard - 210K, OME, BFG ATs, MAF header, hi-flo cat and Magnaflow, Surco Safari Rack, Rod Racks. 2002 UZJ100 - Brooklyn - 44K, OME 865, OME T-Bars, TJM T-15, TJM RB8, Slee Diff-Drop, Slee Tube Sliders, African Outback Roof Rack, Borla & SLP Exhaust, Warn, IPF, PIAA, Toyo Open Country ATs. Gotham City Land Cruisers Yankee Toys Bay to Blue Ridge Cruisers

01-31-06, 03:19 PM	#22
FJBen Whitey Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Greeley, Colorado TLCA# 15530 Posts: 2,579	Once again the forgotten 55! Nothing screams MOJO like the Austin Power teeth-look of the 55!!!! YAH BABY!!! Attached Images __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 93 FJZ80 Slee 4"/OMEJ, 35's, 4.88's, ARB's, Metal Tech sliders, ARB with M12000, On Board Air, caster plates, DC drive shaft, Pin7, CDL, adjustable rear uppers, A, homemade rear, Slee Skid Plate, extended brakelines, backup camera, Conferr Rack, Hella's, FOR SALE 96 FZJ80 285's OME 's ride

01-31-06, 03:23 PM	#24
Team Zissou IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Champaign, IL TLCA# 15726 Posts: 109	I left my '60 at my parents place over Thanksgiving because I had a couple of tires blow and no place had 33" BFGs in stock. My old man took it to his mechanic for a tune up (everything was fine, as I could have told him) and this mechanic had never been under a Cruiser before. When we picked the vehicle up, the guy said "that's the beefiest f*$%&^# 4x4 I've ever seen." It makes a man feel good when his mostly stock ride can elicit a comment like that from a dude who makes his livin' working on cars. I don't think an 80 or 100 would get that comment __________________ '84 FJ-60 "Erica" -- 249K original 2F, 33X12.50 Firestone M/Ts, 4.11s, nerf bars, rear locker, on board air, 4" heavy OME lift w/shackle reversal '87 FJ-60 -- 33" BFGs, Hella lamps, sliders, Smittybuilt front bumper http://www.hoosiercruiser.org