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crushers · 02-07-06, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by risingsun

But alas, back into the river of BULL...

As one of the leading importers of JDM LC's in Canada I field emails all day long.

And by all means shop around and compare vehicles and prices, services offered, and the importer's track record. Personally I think anyone would be crazy not to use one of the big three - Rising Sun, Outback, or Luxury (yes Wayne your initial treatment of me is forgiven).

!

interesting,
"Luxury (yes Wayne your initial treatment of me is forgiven)." since the last time i checked, your cheap jab at my wife's business was still up and running on your site, your forgiveness was not asked for so it can go right back to where it came from.

Eric,
answering emails can get frustrating at times, especially if you suspect the contact to be just digging for info on importing or looking for info on repairing a POS that the caller/emailer has ended up saddled with. MOST of my calls/emails are from legitimate buyers, some times i can help, some times not.

i have to also say that if i was requested to meet at Timmys to inspect a truck i would suspect to the integrity of the seller. like i said before, i bought a unit off of you and it was exactly as described, this is not to say that i back your stock nor do i suggest not to buy from you. i am neutral on this point.
it is easier to talk on the phone, agreed, but you must realise some people realy do like a record of the conversation so they can go over it again at their leisure.

cheers

Scalp · 04-21-06, 11:14 PM

Well, I think its time for me to comment on this thread. I looked at one of Eric's vehicles which he advertised as "rust free." By that, I guess he meant that if you buy the truck, the rust is free; no extra charge. I could see that the rust had been covered up with some cheap bodywork, but I bought the vehicle anyway because it had f&r lockers, knowing that I would have to redo much of the inferior bodywork. I like to do bodywork as a hobby so I was willing to do it, then I know its done right. Well, a year later I now have redone the driver's side restoration with new metal. The bodyman Eric hired had covered the rust with metal foil tape, bondo and seam filler, and then put the finish colour right over top of the patch. The rust started to bubble out about 4 months later. I plan to spend the next winter season tearing out the passenger side rocker panel, wheel well, and rear quarter panel and welding in new metal.
I just feel sorry for anybody who believes Eric's bullshit and trusts him to tell the truth. He's a used vehicle salesman and will say whatever he has to to make a sale. He has taken sales courses and learned his lines well. When I talked to Eric later, of course he passed the blame on to the bodyman, saying that he had told him to do a good job. I don't believe that for a minute.
He also disconnected the air conditioning clutch because it "was noisey" hoping customers might not notice it was not working. He also hosed off the leaky front axle seals so the leaking oil was not so evident to a buyer.
My advise to anyone seriously buying a Cruiser is to take it to a shop and have it properly inspected. It might cost you a hundred bucks, but it is worth it because it could save you thousands in the long run.
I will say this for Eric, he was willing to let me take it to a shop for inspection, although he was sweating a bit in case it got a thumbs down.
~Scalp

Stone · 04-21-06, 11:53 PM

I hope he gave you a killer deal on that 74, Scalp.

Scalp · 04-22-06, 12:36 AM

I am satisfied with the price, Allstone. Overall, I like the truck, it is the model I wanted. Once I get through the extensive bodywork restoration, get the air repaired, replace the phony stereo, etc., it will suit my needs. I knew what I was getting into, even though the shoddy bodywork was considerably worse than I expected; no self-respecting bodyman would turn out shit work like that. I guess anything goes these days. Reputation is an important aspect of a person's identity, especially in this Cruiser community. Maybe Eric should now move on and up to selling used Hyundi Ponys.

lshobie · 04-22-06, 08:40 AM

I received an email from hj61.com a few months ago, it was simply a link to an HZJ77. So i contacted him and asked how much, he said "13,900" no other info was given. I asked for the auction sheet so I could see where it came from - he wouldnt give it to me. I said I couldnt buy from a curbsider as dealers aren't allowed to, he got mad and called my cell phone in a huff - trying to explain that he was a "wholesaler", which is simply a way to say "curbsider", or person who has no dealer registration and is selling cars with no warranty - the consumer has no recourse.

After he was all mad and bitchy he told me the HZJ77 had 250,000 kms on it - but was a great truck at a great price of 13,900 plus shipping. I kindly said no. I wonder why anyone would by a car from japan with 250,000 on it, kind of mind boggling.

He then became freindly and tried to work out an "arrangement". He tried selling me 2 HDJ81's he had at "wholesale" cost. Now these were good deals (not) - one was 22K the other was 24K with 130 and 150k kms on them or something like that. Said I could easily make 6-8 K on them. He wouldn't guarentee the mileage, and they were sold as is. He said the brakes worked, did no work to them. He said that if I were a real cruiser guy I could tell what was wrong with them and should be able to fix them myself. He also said that he would ship them here so I could check them out.

I knew from the simple emails that he was trying to avoid getting busted for curbsiding - which I think someone here said he was caught for in the past. He was a real talker who could easily lure newbies into buying junk.

He was obviously someone who is constantly trying to avoid getting busted for curbsiding, he is a slick talker, and he looks to make a quick buck. I can't understand why he isn't selling used cars on some lot somewhere.

Regards

gladly · 04-22-06, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scalp

...I like to do bodywork as a hobby...

rust repair for fun? that's just sick...

Stone · 04-22-06, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gladly

rust repair for fun? that's just sick...

I think every Cruiserhead who owns a pre-80 series Land Cruiser pretty much has to either love rust or love working on rust repair.

brownbear · 04-22-06, 12:57 PM

This thread is added to the FAQ for importing. I think everyone who searches importing companies should have this info. Buyer Beware indeed!

HJ61DOTCOM · 05-07-06, 12:16 PM

Bill,

You saw the truck almost a year before you bought it .It had rust then .It was never advertised as rust free.I had another one that was rust free that you originally called me about.you didn't want that one you wanted "One just like Stones"I told you it would cost at least 16 to get one like Stones'- you said you would only spend 12-13.you knew the condition of the truck.you looked at it 4 or 5 times over a one year period.
I disclosed everything wrong with the truck.
You represented yourself as a mechanic(or at least you told me that you taught auto mechanics )
I'm surprised at you, I thought you were a decent guy.I was wrong ,if you had a problem with the truck you should have called me . I would have fixed it.

HJ61DOTCOM · 05-07-06, 12:22 PM

I've sold 30-40 cruisers.
usually only to people who are dealers or mechanics.
Sometimes to people that have close friends that are mechanics.
Ishobie is trying to make himself look better by insulting me.
He wanted me to give him cruisers on credit.
I told him I would consider it , I chose not to .

HJ61DOTCOM · 05-07-06, 12:27 PM

Read what Wayne wrote.-
"i bought a unit off of you and it was exactly as described,"

lshobie · 05-07-06, 02:41 PM

LOL,

I wanted a cruiser on credit from you? I never called you back after you made the offer to send me your shitbox vehicles. I don't take anything on credit from anyone, especialy curbsiders - legitimate dealers in Ontario are not allowed to do business with curbsiders - you are a curbsider. Besides, you were the one who called me in a huf.

Make me look better by insulting you? I just stated the facts, and only because you contacted me in an email trying to sell me a vehicle. I would have stayed out of this if you had not contacted me by email and phone.

Get your stories straight. And I don't have to do anything to make you look bad, you do all that on your own with very little trouble it seems.

Spook50 · 05-07-06, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by White Shark

Dude, don't buy into the Canadian conspiracy about you guys creating the internet. That all just a bunch of Canuckian Socialist propaganda, created from spending too many cold winters drinking Molsons. Everyone knows that Al Gore created the internet.

Don't forget, he also rid us of the threat of Manbearpig.

HJ61DOTCOM · 05-07-06, 11:44 PM

Louis.
I won't even respond.
I don't need to.
We both know what the facts are.

dieseldog · 05-08-06, 01:07 AM

HJ61DOTCOM wrote: "7. If I think you are more concerned with "what the Odometer says" than "what the condition of the vehicle is" I won't deal with you.-It is not illegal to roll back odometers in Japan-Maybe that's why there are so many here with low Kilometers(?)-If you can't handle this fact and get a
mechanical inspection I won't deal with you."

Some have characterized this statement to mean that if you run out and try to get a mechanical inspection, the guy won't deal with you. They would be wrong with that interpretation. What he's saying is know that mileage means nothing, mechanical condition means everything so be wise and look it over or have a mechanic look it over or don't bother coming by to kick the tires. He wrote the last sentence of the paragraph in the conjunctive and not the disjunctive. If he wrote "if you can't handle this OR expect to run out and get a mechanical inspection, I won't deal with you", it would have the meaning that many of you have ascribed to him. Clearly, the way he wrote it means that he encourages buyers who are tech saavy or who will align themselves with someone who is, come look at the truck, and then buy--and save a bunch of money.

Aside from that, I agree with everything that Honk wrote in post #57 of this thread.

"goof jerk idiots" is not a triple adjective. It is two adjectives modifying the noun "idiots".

HJ61DOTCOM · 05-08-06, 04:17 AM

Thanks Deiseldog, MK1pickle, Honk and anyone else that has made the correct interpretation that I want to ensure that anyone who purchases from me is Clear on the Condition of the Vehicle by way of actually inspecting the vehicle.
The only person that has purchased a vehicle from me without inspecting it is Wayne.He has bought numerous cars from Japan,I know he is aware of standards from Japan.
I don't have a dealership.
I don't have a shop.
I am not doing this to make a living.
I tell people who want to buy something from me to meet me at the Donut shop because I am not willing to invite the world to my house.
Everyone who has purchased from me has come to my home (after I 'm sure that they are legitemate purchasors)--A couple of the "dealers" who have negatively commented in this thread showed up at my house purporting to be "purchasors" and/or spent many hours on the phone with me trying to learn the "ins and outs" of importing/model specs.
Here is an example of an email I recieved from some one who was purporting to be a customer(he sent this Email after I told him I thought he was a dealer, it was his way of apologising for wasting so much of my time.:

Hello Eric,

Allow me to introduce myself properly this time. My name is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, and I just recently spoke with you today
regarding an HZJ77 Landcruiser.

As you can easily see from this email I am in fact a dealer of imported
vehicles with our company xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, and I must apologize for our
conversation. I have a client who was interested in purchasing your
Landcruiser and asked me to act on his behalf and contact you as he did
not feel confident enough to inquire about this vehicle as he had no
experience with them.

I begrudgingly agreed, and I apologize for telling you I am not a Dealer
as I'm sure you could tell I did a bad job of hiding that fact. I would
have preferred to openly discuss the truck between importers, however my
client thought it best to act on his behalf as an interested buyer as
then we would be treated as he would have been treated himself.
Unfortunately after all this, he's looking for something with lower
mileage. I'm sure you will have no problem selling this truck as the
condition looks great from the pictures on your site and it is priced
quite well for the caliber of truck that it is.

I would also like to commend you on the great job you did explaining
everything to me. From a fellow importer, Nicely done!

I hope you understand I regret my actions and will not be repeating
them. However if I do in fact have any questions about any vehicles in
your stock, I will not hesitate to call and talk on an importer to
importer basis as you seem like a great guy to deal with.

I would also like to extend an invitation we have received to become
involved with many other importers regarding the issues we are facing
with the new ICBC regulations on imported vehicles and registration. If
we hear anything at all, we will keep you informed and we appreciate the
same.
This is the email we received recently from xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I'm wondering if you are telling customers about the BC vehicle inspections memo. I'm absolutely positive it will adversely affect them. http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/cvse/vehicle...d_Vehicles.pdf
I'm sure you are aware that they are no longer passing vehicles through BC, and that completely includes all JDM cars including skylines. Please get back to me if you are willing to work together on this, as other JDM dealers have. thanks
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Thank you for your understanding Eric,

Sincerely,

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I am not posting this Email to Embarass the sender-So if you (xxxxxxxxxx)Are reading this I am not intending to speak Ill of you (You Name should be blocked out), just using this as an example of one of the numeurous encounters I get on a regular basis.

04-21-06, 11:53 PM	#93
Stone IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: May 2004 Location: BC, Canada TLCA# 13772 Posts: 1,992	I hope he gave you a killer deal on that 74, Scalp. __________________ Stone's Land Cruiser & Flyfishing Pics Flyfishing British Columbia: www.flyfishbc.com bcfishingreports.com

04-22-06, 08:40 AM	#95
lshobie IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,859	I received an email from hj61.com a few months ago, it was simply a link to an HZJ77. So i contacted him and asked how much, he said "13,900" no other info was given. I asked for the auction sheet so I could see where it came from - he wouldnt give it to me. I said I couldnt buy from a curbsider as dealers aren't allowed to, he got mad and called my cell phone in a huff - trying to explain that he was a "wholesaler", which is simply a way to say "curbsider", or person who has no dealer registration and is selling cars with no warranty - the consumer has no recourse. After he was all mad and bitchy he told me the HZJ77 had 250,000 kms on it - but was a great truck at a great price of 13,900 plus shipping. I kindly said no. I wonder why anyone would by a car from japan with 250,000 on it, kind of mind boggling. He then became freindly and tried to work out an "arrangement". He tried selling me 2 HDJ81's he had at "wholesale" cost. Now these were good deals (not) - one was 22K the other was 24K with 130 and 150k kms on them or something like that. Said I could easily make 6-8 K on them. He wouldn't guarentee the mileage, and they were sold as is. He said the brakes worked, did no work to them. He said that if I were a real cruiser guy I could tell what was wrong with them and should be able to fix them myself. He also said that he would ship them here so I could check them out. I knew from the simple emails that he was trying to avoid getting busted for curbsiding - which I think someone here said he was caught for in the past. He was a real talker who could easily lure newbies into buying junk. He was obviously someone who is constantly trying to avoid getting busted for curbsiding, he is a slick talker, and he looks to make a quick buck. I can't understand why he isn't selling used cars on some lot somewhere. Regards __________________ Louis Check out my youtube videos at: www.youtube.com/lshobie Join the True North Toyota Land Cruiser Club in Ottawa http://landcruisers.ca/

04-22-06, 12:57 PM	#98
brownbear Mod in Hibernation Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Where diesels purr and turbos whine TLCA# 15584 Posts: 6,184	This thread is added to the FAQ for importing. I think everyone who searches importing companies should have this info. Buyer Beware indeed! __________________ -84 BJ60, Finally on the FN road! -91 FJ80, wife's ride Iron Butt award winner of the Cruise Moab 08 !

05-07-06, 02:41 PM	#102
lshobie IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,859	LOL, I wanted a cruiser on credit from you? I never called you back after you made the offer to send me your shitbox vehicles. I don't take anything on credit from anyone, especialy curbsiders - legitimate dealers in Ontario are not allowed to do business with curbsiders - you are a curbsider. Besides, you were the one who called me in a huf. Make me look better by insulting you? I just stated the facts, and only because you contacted me in an email trying to sell me a vehicle. I would have stayed out of this if you had not contacted me by email and phone. Get your stories straight. And I don't have to do anything to make you look bad, you do all that on your own with very little trouble it seems. __________________ Louis Check out my youtube videos at: www.youtube.com/lshobie Join the True North Toyota Land Cruiser Club in Ottawa http://landcruisers.ca/

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04-21-06, 11:14 PM	#92
Scalp IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada TLCA# 16238 Posts: 1,260	Well, I think its time for me to comment on this thread. I looked at one of Eric's vehicles which he advertised as "rust free." By that, I guess he meant that if you buy the truck, the rust is free; no extra charge. I could see that the rust had been covered up with some cheap bodywork, but I bought the vehicle anyway because it had f&r lockers, knowing that I would have to redo much of the inferior bodywork. I like to do bodywork as a hobby so I was willing to do it, then I know its done right. Well, a year later I now have redone the driver's side restoration with new metal. The bodyman Eric hired had covered the rust with metal foil tape, bondo and seam filler, and then put the finish colour right over top of the patch. The rust started to bubble out about 4 months later. I plan to spend the next winter season tearing out the passenger side rocker panel, wheel well, and rear quarter panel and welding in new metal. I just feel sorry for anybody who believes Eric's bullshit and trusts him to tell the truth. He's a used vehicle salesman and will say whatever he has to to make a sale. He has taken sales courses and learned his lines well. When I talked to Eric later, of course he passed the blame on to the bodyman, saying that he had told him to do a good job. I don't believe that for a minute. He also disconnected the air conditioning clutch because it "was noisey" hoping customers might not notice it was not working. He also hosed off the leaky front axle seals so the leaking oil was not so evident to a buyer. My advise to anyone seriously buying a Cruiser is to take it to a shop and have it properly inspected. It might cost you a hundred bucks, but it is worth it because it could save you thousands in the long run. I will say this for Eric, he was willing to let me take it to a shop for inspection, although he was sweating a bit in case it got a thumbs down. ~Scalp

04-22-06, 12:36 AM	#94
Scalp IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada TLCA# 16238 Posts: 1,260	I am satisfied with the price, Allstone. Overall, I like the truck, it is the model I wanted. Once I get through the extensive bodywork restoration, get the air repaired, replace the phony stereo, etc., it will suit my needs. I knew what I was getting into, even though the shoddy bodywork was considerably worse than I expected; no self-respecting bodyman would turn out shit work like that. I guess anything goes these days. Reputation is an important aspect of a person's identity, especially in this Cruiser community. Maybe Eric should now move on and up to selling used Hyundi Ponys.

05-07-06, 12:16 PM	#99
HJ61DOTCOM IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3	Bill, You saw the truck almost a year before you bought it .It had rust then .It was never advertised as rust free.I had another one that was rust free that you originally called me about.you didn't want that one you wanted "One just like Stones"I told you it would cost at least 16 to get one like Stones'- you said you would only spend 12-13.you knew the condition of the truck.you looked at it 4 or 5 times over a one year period. I disclosed everything wrong with the truck. You represented yourself as a mechanic(or at least you told me that you taught auto mechanics ) I'm surprised at you, I thought you were a decent guy.I was wrong ,if you had a problem with the truck you should have called me . I would have fixed it.

05-07-06, 12:22 PM	#100
HJ61DOTCOM IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3	I've sold 30-40 cruisers. usually only to people who are dealers or mechanics. Sometimes to people that have close friends that are mechanics. Ishobie is trying to make himself look better by insulting me. He wanted me to give him cruisers on credit. I told him I would consider it , I chose not to .

05-07-06, 12:27 PM	#101
HJ61DOTCOM IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3	Read what Wayne wrote.- "i bought a unit off of you and it was exactly as described,"

05-07-06, 11:44 PM	#104
HJ61DOTCOM IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3	Louis. I won't even respond. I don't need to. We both know what the facts are.

05-08-06, 04:17 AM	#106
HJ61DOTCOM IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3	Thanks Deiseldog, MK1pickle, Honk and anyone else that has made the correct interpretation that I want to ensure that anyone who purchases from me is Clear on the Condition of the Vehicle by way of actually inspecting the vehicle. The only person that has purchased a vehicle from me without inspecting it is Wayne.He has bought numerous cars from Japan,I know he is aware of standards from Japan. I don't have a dealership. I don't have a shop. I am not doing this to make a living. I tell people who want to buy something from me to meet me at the Donut shop because I am not willing to invite the world to my house. Everyone who has purchased from me has come to my home (after I 'm sure that they are legitemate purchasors)--A couple of the "dealers" who have negatively commented in this thread showed up at my house purporting to be "purchasors" and/or spent many hours on the phone with me trying to learn the "ins and outs" of importing/model specs. Here is an example of an email I recieved from some one who was purporting to be a customer(he sent this Email after I told him I thought he was a dealer, it was his way of apologising for wasting so much of my time.: Hello Eric, Allow me to introduce myself properly this time. My name is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, and I just recently spoke with you today regarding an HZJ77 Landcruiser. As you can easily see from this email I am in fact a dealer of imported vehicles with our company xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, and I must apologize for our conversation. I have a client who was interested in purchasing your Landcruiser and asked me to act on his behalf and contact you as he did not feel confident enough to inquire about this vehicle as he had no experience with them. I begrudgingly agreed, and I apologize for telling you I am not a Dealer as I'm sure you could tell I did a bad job of hiding that fact. I would have preferred to openly discuss the truck between importers, however my client thought it best to act on his behalf as an interested buyer as then we would be treated as he would have been treated himself. Unfortunately after all this, he's looking for something with lower mileage. I'm sure you will have no problem selling this truck as the condition looks great from the pictures on your site and it is priced quite well for the caliber of truck that it is. I would also like to commend you on the great job you did explaining everything to me. From a fellow importer, Nicely done! I hope you understand I regret my actions and will not be repeating them. However if I do in fact have any questions about any vehicles in your stock, I will not hesitate to call and talk on an importer to importer basis as you seem like a great guy to deal with. I would also like to extend an invitation we have received to become involved with many other importers regarding the issues we are facing with the new ICBC regulations on imported vehicles and registration. If we hear anything at all, we will keep you informed and we appreciate the same. This is the email we received recently from xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I'm wondering if you are telling customers about the BC vehicle inspections memo. I'm absolutely positive it will adversely affect them. http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/cvse/vehicle...d_Vehicles.pdf I'm sure you are aware that they are no longer passing vehicles through BC, and that completely includes all JDM cars including skylines. Please get back to me if you are willing to work together on this, as other JDM dealers have. thanks xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Thank you for your understanding Eric, Sincerely, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I am not posting this Email to Embarass the sender-So if you (xxxxxxxxxx)Are reading this I am not intending to speak Ill of you (You Name should be blocked out), just using this as an example of one of the numeurous encounters I get on a regular basis.