www.hj61.com - what is up with this?

[Hawke]

Originally Posted by risingsun

Too bad it is a Sapporo truck (city on the northen most island in Japan, Hokkaido). It is like buying a truck from Prince George, or Halifax. Enjoy your rust bucket/bodywork special! Too bad you have no recourse now...

cheap shot.

[honk]

Originally Posted by risingsun

Too bad it is a Sapporo truck (city on the northen most island in Japan, Hokkaido). It is like buying a truck from Prince George, or Halifax. Enjoy your rust bucket/bodywork special! Too bad you have no recourse now...

This is about the crappiest thing I've ever seen posted on this site.

[Aseif007]

This thread is actually very good for those of us looking to import in the future.

[firetruck41]

Originally Posted by risingsun

Too bad it is a Sapporo truck (city on the northen most island in Japan, Hokkaido). It is like buying a truck from Prince George, or Halifax. Enjoy your rust bucket/bodywork special! Too bad you have no recourse now...

Wow, worse than erics original email to petermac!

[Aseif007]

Originally Posted by firetruck41

Wow, worse than erics original email to petermac!

I would have to agree with you on something for once Firetruck41. Crazy isn't it?

[Stone]

This thread is more entertaining than the thread that never ends.

[firetruck41]

Originally Posted by Aseif007

I would have to agree with you on something for once Firetruck41. Crazy isn't it?

[semlin]

this thread has been a real education on the perils of importing. It should be moved to the international section and linked to the importing faq.

[Stone]

Originally Posted by semlin

this thread has been a real education on the perils of importing. It should be moved to the international section and linked to the importing faq.

I don't know, Simon...I have some misgivings about including threads that have bickering in them in the FAQ. This thread certainly has shown the personalities of some of the people involved in the importing business in Canada, but the points of view of a couple of people are no way indicative of the whole industry. I notice that a few people that are in the importing business, and are well known in the industry, have been conspicuously silent in this thread...perhaps wisely so.

[petermac]

Originally Posted by risingsun

Too bad it is a Sapporo truck (city on the northen most island in Japan, Hokkaido). It is like buying a truck from Prince George, or Halifax. Enjoy your rust bucket/bodywork special! Too bad you have no recourse now...

Truck is guaranteed to be rust free by the very person from whom you apparently purchase many of your trucks for import and resale? Is that not so Michael of Rising Sun Imports?

You've opened this can of worms...

It was inspected at auction and rated a 4B. I have a copy of the auction sheet which confirms the rating and indicates any problem points - rust not being one of them.

An interesting aside: Louis of Adventure Auto advised me as to the risks of purchasing a truck sold at auction on the Island of Hokkaido. He alerted me to the fact that trucks from this region do sometimes appear with rust on them. Very professional on Louis' part. He is a stand up guy who is not afraid to share information and give his honest unbiased opinion when asked. I believe Wayne and Louis are alike in this respect.

Had you ended your post before the completely blind and speculative assertion that the truck is a rust bucket, I would have thanked you for your insight. Now I simply question your integrity and congratulate myself for not doing business with you.

Let's put this another way: if you hold to your comments, you are calling Kohei of KK trading a liar, as he guarantees there is no rust on the truck. This means you are accusing the very person you purportedly purchase trucks from of being a liar, which makes you look, well, bad - of course your own comments make you look potentially like nothing more than a jealous car salesman who is mad that he missed out on buying the truck himself and who is now seeking retribution through a childish attempt to spoil the good fortune of the person who did.

So, it is based on the assurances of Kohei from KK Trading that I am confident the truck will not be a "rust bucket" and rather, that it will be in the exact condition described by the auction inspection and by Kohei himself.

If anybody want's to post up and contest Kohei's integrity and demonstrate that he has lied in the past, please do as I would benifit from any such knowledge. It's not too late for me to put a stop payment on the truck - I have a few days left before the transaction is complete.

Thanks,

Peter

[risingsun]

Peter,

I no longer do business with KK Trading due to low quality control. Granted about 40% of the vehicles were as described, but some were very poor. I hope that you are lucky, but I wouldn't be surprised if you get a nasty surprise in terms of hidden rust, or mechanical problems.

I just had a call from a young man that purchased an LJ71 from KKT. The vehicle is listed at his website:http://www.kktrading-aurora.com/LAND..._LJ71_1173.htm

When it arrived the fuel injection pump was leaking badly, there was metal flakes in the engine oil, and the truck blew plumes of black smoke. KKT described the vehicle as follows:

"This one is in amazing condition. Can you believe that this truck was manufactured in 1986?
Both Interior and exterior are very clean like new. Mechanically condition is also excellent."

KKT has a good detailer, but the truck required $4800 in repairs to get it roadworthy. As advertised? Not in my opinion.


I could provide other examples, but I would only bore you all.


I have never purchased a vehicle from Sapporo, and I don't know why anyone would either. If you want a clean truck, there are plenty to choose from in the south of Japan. Much better climate for Landcruisers.

Good Luck!

[petermac]

Originally Posted by risingsun

Peter,

I no longer do business with KK Trading due to low quality control. Granted about 40% of the vehicles were as described, but some were very poor. I hope that you are lucky, but I wouldn't be surprised if you get a nasty surprise in terms of hidden rust, or mechanical problems.

I just had a call from a young man that purchased an LJ71 from KKT. The vehicle is listed at his website:http://www.kktrading-aurora.com/LAND..._LJ71_1173.htm

When it arrived the fuel injection pump was leaking badly, there was metal flakes in the engine oil, and the truck blew plumes of black smoke. KKT described the vehicle as follows:

"This one is in amazing condition. Can you believe that this truck was manufactured in 1986?
Both Interior and exterior are very clean like new. Mechanically condition is also excellent."

KKT has a good detailer, but the truck required $4800 in repairs to get it roadworthy. As advertised? Not in my opinion.


I could provide other examples, but I would only bore you all.


I have never purchased a vehicle from Sapporo, and I don't know why anyone would either. If you want a clean truck, there are plenty to choose from in the south of Japan. Much better climate for Landcruisers.

Good Luck!

Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn.....

Must process....

[Zimm]

golly...

am I to draw the conclusion, from this thread, that requiring written responses to an extensive list of questions, rather than talking to a person directly, in no way shape or form affects the actual quality of the product being pushed? is it possible that scam artists (not that anybody mentioned or refered to in this thread is one, the topic is purely philosophical) will go out of their way to make a customer comfortable, and appear to be a good businessman? while others who turn slimmer margins on quality merchandise try to weed out tire kickers and neurotic appearing consumers, in an effort to actually turrn a profit, and stay in business?

from what i've read, this can't be true..........

[expat]

Originally Posted by petermac

Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn.....

Must process....

Yep, I was where you are a year ago...

I also narrowed my importers list down to Wayne, Marko and Michael (Louis was not importing at the time...). I also found it hard to deal with the exporters directly; and I even lived in Japan for a while, so I have some semblance of the culture.

In Michael's defence, he did tell me he stopped working with KKK. He seems to know and enjoy landcruisers. He admitted he may have to do tranny work to the one I was looking at and ensured me he would make it right before I bought. I wanted a grey interior.

Wayne was eager to coorespond and emailed me pictures of all the "bad" stuff on a 77 or 78 I was considering; there was nothing really bad BTW, he was just being very honest. Certainly a cruiserhead and I had no doubt I'd get a quality product from him. Ended up I wanted a HJ61. He had one with a brown interior, but again, I really wanted grey.

I talked to Eric on the phone once. He told me if I wanted to see the car, I could meet him at some Timmys down in Vancouver. No real opinion, other than it wasn't very convienient so I did not persue any further.

My local curber gave me bad Karma at first, but after talking to him later, we've understand each others point of view. I would consider ordering a G-wagen from him, now that we've talked...

In the end I went with Marko, since he had a grey interior HJ61 (with lockers) and in my price range. I quizzed him at length and was very knowledgable, professional and turns out to be a nice guy as well. Has been there for me after the sale as well for a camping kit that missed the boat and answering some technical questions as well.

All in all, find the importer (or exporter) that aligns with your level of comfort for you, the right vehicle for you, be patient, and use your gut feel. One will turn up. If my truck didn't turn up at the "right" time, I would've gone back to anyone of these three guys and special ordered what I wanted.

Good Luck.

Pmail me if you like at mikeped@gmail.com

Mike

[DBAX]

if you dont see what im saying then blah yada ...

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[BURGER]

Posted by hj61dotcom:

. If I think you are more concerned with "what the Odometer says" than
"what the condition of the vehicle is" I won't deal with you.-It is not
illegal to roll back odometers in Japan-Maybe that's why there are so many
here with low Kilometers(?)-If you can't handle this fact and get a
mechanical inspection I won't deal with you.

.My web site is clearly NOT designed to "sell" it is designed to weed out
the "retail customers" from "mechanically knowledgable person


I love this. I will sell you a truck if you dont ask any questions or get a mechanic to look at it. I will roll back the odometer as I see fit.

Who are you trying to weed out, the retail customers or the mechanically knowledgeable? Either one could be a customer?

This is pathetic. Having a vehicle inspected or at least check some numbers yourself is a no-brainer.

Who in their right mind would ever deal with someone who gives you these options?

[mk1pickle]

be it resolved that..
1) you all agree to disagree about buying used trucks from the internet, (who does that!?)

2) when theres nothing better to say use the words"blah blah"
and "yadda" to take someones' words out of context, thereby increasing your self importance one hundredfold.

3) when you have nothing usefull to say about the subject , complain about grammar.

4a) sometimes I'm right and you are wrong even when you quote me, or you had a shitty day.

b) Only I am lisenced to use triple adjectives because someone else lisenced me to do so. i.e. goof jerk idiot.

5) if you email someone and they would rather use the
phone, by all means oblige them instead of doing "other things".

6) if you buy a used truck get your mechanic to go over it if you arent competent (in this area), otherwise eat rust and burner cups and like it.

7) anything you say in reply to this resolution is hereby null and void or stupid, and i will make fun of you for being an ninny and a nitwit. oh and shut up and do not quote any part of resolution this because if you do it is against the resolution and you will be called nasty names, and people will laugh at you for being retarded.

8) do not read this post.

[mk1pickle]

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[HJ61DOTCOM]

To Burger--


Quote from you
"I love this. I will sell you a truck if you dont ask any questions or get a mechanic to look at it. I will roll back the odometer as I see fit."

1.I'm happy to answer as many questions as a person has, however, Life is a two way street- I want to ask some questions too- this way I can get a "gut feeling" as to the level of seriousness the person has (just my way of doing things, other people may prefer a different approach).

2.I insist that a person must be mechanically knowlegable because I don't have a repair shop.I'm not a dealer.I don't sell very many cruisers.If someone knows what they are looking at, I am comfortable dealing with them. I have sold cruisers to a mechanics and dealers, it cost them 2-3 thousand less than it would cost elsewhere.Why did I sell it for this price? I would rather give someone who knows what they are getting a good deal, than spending many,many hours dealing with a "looker" who will go somewhere else at the end of the day.
3. I would never tell some one not to get an inspection.I always tell them to get thier own mechanic to look at it. I would rather have your mechanic tell you that the car is good.Any person you call, that has something to sell ,will always tell you how "great" the product is.I try not to do that.The people that I choose to deal with are making intelligent informed decisions. They are buying something that they can look at, compression test , put a magnet to, etc.etc.
If it sounds to me like a person is trying to shoot themselves in the foot, I don't want to be a part of it.
3. I would NEVER roll back an odometer, I never said that I would. I said that it commonly happens in Japan. It is not illegal there (at least as of last year).That is what I said.That is why I encourage people to judge a Cruiser based on things such as compression, gear slop,steering slop, consistancy of wear on the different components.---Look at the odometer, is the first digit out of alignment?Maybe it says "0" now, What was it before?"1" " 2" " 3"????? You don't know.
Get a mechanic who is familiar with deisels to check it out.

Thanks.

[Zimm]

Originally Posted by BURGER

Posted by hj61dotcom:




I love this. I will sell you a truck if you dont ask any questions or get a mechanic to look at it. I will roll back the odometer as I see fit.

?

this is a shamefull mischaraterization of the statement, to the point of lying.

the original statement was a warning to prospective buyers that, apparently millage statements for vehicles imported from japan are all suspect, as tampering with the odo isn't against and codes. i did not know this. clearly the only way to value such vehicles is though a reputable/trusted proxy inspection, which this seller is wholheartedly encouraging. i'm sure for his protection, and yours. thanks for the information.

[mot]

Originally Posted by Zimm

... the original statement was a warning to prospective buyers that, apparently millage statements for vehicles imported from japan are all suspect, as tampering with the odo isn't against and codes. i did not know this.

Neither did I.

It occurs (rolling back the odometer) with some frequency, but I don't think it is "legal" or "OK" for shops (or individuals) to do it by any means.

And I wouldn't assume vehicles outside of Hookaid would be any less susceptable(sp) to rust as winter is long and hard in other parts of Japan as well (using salt on roads, etc..., too).

[BURGER]

[quote=Zimm]this is a shamefull mischaraterization of the statement, to the point of lying.

Where did I lye?


If I think you are more concerned with "what the Odometer says" than
"what the condition of the vehicle is" I won't deal with you.-It is not
illegal to roll back odometers in Japan-Maybe that's why there are so many
here with low Kilometers(?)-If you can't handle this fact and get a
mechanical inspection I won't deal with you.


I don't know where I am mischaracterizing the statement. He says in plain english that if you(the buyer) are concerned not only with the vehicle condition but with the implied mileage he won't deal with you. His words not mine ,he also states that if you get/want a mechanical inspection he doesn't want tot deal with you. Again his words.

I do not know this guy from adam and am only going by what he posted. He posted his rules and all I am saying is those rules sound very suspect and shady.

After re-reading he does not suggest he is rolling back odometers but alll my other claims I will stand behind. I am only replaying his statements.

Post #41
If I think you are more concerned with "what the Odometer says" than
"what the condition of the vehicle is" I won't deal with you.-It is not
illegal to roll back odometers in Japan-Maybe that's why there are so many
here with low Kilometers(?)-If you can't handle this fact and get a
mechanical inspection I won't deal with you.


Post #82

3. I would never tell some one not to get an inspection.I always tell them to get thier own mechanic to look at it. I would rather have your mechanic tell you that the car is good


Right there is two answers for the same question. I ask you zimm where did I lye or misrepresent the statements made othe than the rolling back odometer which I still think would be suspect from a person who has stated that if youcan't handle the fact that odometers get rolled back and choose to have an inspection he will not deal with you.

[sisukid1975]

[quote=BURGER]

Originally Posted by Zimm

this is a shamefull mischaraterization of the statement, to the point of lying.

Where did I lye?


If I think you are more concerned with "what the Odometer says" than
"what the condition of the vehicle is" I won't deal with you.-It is not
illegal to roll back odometers in Japan-Maybe that's why there are so many
here with low Kilometers(?)-If you can't handle this fact and get a
mechanical inspection I won't deal with you.

I think the problem lies in the way it's written, and the way you chose to read it.

I don't think he's saying he rolls back odos, or that he will not deal with anyone who has a mechanic inspect the vehicle, but the latter could be inferred due to poor wording.

The better way to write this would have been:

"If you are more concerned with the reading of the odometer than the condition of the vehicle, I don't feel it is worth my time to deal with you. You should be aware that rolling back odometers is not illegal in Japan, thus the reason you see so many "low Kilometer" vehicles imported into the country. You should be well aware of this fact, and should consider having a qualified mechanic inspect the vehicle before purchasing. By doing so, you will prove to me that you are a serious buyer, and will make me feel more confident in dealing with you."

That is how I would have written it.

See, Hawke is right: Grammar and writing skills DO make a difference.

Fred

[Zimm]

[quote=BURGER]

Originally Posted by Zimm

this is a shamefull mischaraterization of the statement, to the point of lying.

Where did I lye?


.

simple.

in reference to rolling back the odo's he wrote, IN JAPAN...

lets try that one more time....


IN JAPAN

he is NOT in japan.... he is in canada! he is referenceing the practices of the country from which he is recieveing second+ hand goods.


now, if you reread your interpretation of what he said;

"I love this. I will sell you a truck if you dont ask any questions or get a mechanic to look at it. I will roll back the odometer as I see fit."


note: in YOUR version, in HIS voice you wrote "I WILL ROLL BACK THE ODOMETER..." where do get off telling an entire community he said this, in fact or intent, when he did no such thing?

[BURGER]

If you read the whole second post from me you would notice that I retracted the rolling back odometer statement and I was wrong stating that he might. Other than that I am standing behind my assumptions as like myself hj61dotcom can only be taken for what is written as you cannot judge anything else on-line. His statements would worry me to purchase from him.



[quote=Zimm]

Originally Posted by BURGER

simple.

in reference to rolling back the odo's he wrote, IN JAPAN...

lets try that one more time....


IN JAPAN

he is NOT in japan.... he is in canada! he is referenceing the practices of the country from which he is recieveing second+ hand goods.


now, if you reread your interpretation of what he said;

"I love this. I will sell you a truck if you dont ask any questions or get a mechanic to look at it. I will roll back the odometer as I see fit."


note: in YOUR version, in HIS voice you wrote "I WILL ROLL BACK THE ODOMETER..." where do get off telling an entire community he said this, in fact or intent, when he did no such thing?