www.hj61.com - what is up with this?

[ATLcrusher]

Originally Posted by firetruck41

mk1pickle, are you Eric of HJ61.com?

I was wondering that same thing...guess we got that straightened out.

Anyway, like the other guy said: if he doesn't want to answer your questions, go to one of the half-dozen other guys doing the same thing (importing that is).

[notyourmomslx450]

Originally Posted by mk1pickle

i think your missing an OF there "grammar sniper!"

don't you mean "i think YOU'RE missing an OF there "grammar sniper"?

[semlin]

Originally Posted by HJ61DOTCOM

I do however think that MK1PICKLE is clearly a talented humor writer though .
Also If you search his "posts" you can find a seriously funny video on the indestructability of the Hilux, PMSLMAOASMP---Hilarious.

mk1pickle location canada
hj61dotcom location canada
hj61dotcom joins july 05 with last post before this thread oct 05
mk1pickle joins oct 05 one week before last hj61 post
hj61 finds this thread in one day after making no posts for three months just in time to save mk1pickle from accusations he is hj61. if hj61 was lurking whole time he somehow missed 8x posting of hilux video
hj61 thinks mk1pickle is talented humor writer


i'm just saying these facts are interesting

[HJ61DOTCOM]

I wonder where we were November 22, 1963 ?

[bull]

nice try knob...I mean newb....whatever

[Hawke]

Originally Posted by HJ61DOTCOM

I wonder where we were November 22, 1963 ?

What does JFK's assasination have to do with this?

[lshobie]

Just go here when looking to see if a dealer is registered in BC:

http://www.mdcbc.com/

If a person is a registered dealer you have recourse if they sell you junk - if a curber then you are on your own. Buyer beware basically.

Cryptic emails and conversations are a warning sign to me.

Regards

[mk1pickle]

Semlin you over analytical geek . You've too much time on your hands to go play detective. If you want to know who i am, we can meet at a tim hortons of your choice and we can talk about rocket science, im quite sure we'd get along.

I can assure you that i am in no way affilliated to HJ61DOTCOM, although i'm telling a friend who is in the market for a cruiser of his website. I dont see anything "cryptic" here except something, however humourous, you've dreamt up. that and the fact that a bunch of 18th century british magistrates reside on this board omnipotously and feel that they need to make the world right by whining about everything! (grammar, life)

the world is simple, you want a cruiser, you look at it, you buy it. people that buy things over the internet are the same people that have the need to go "debunking" and on a giant BS crusade after they buy something sight unseen and complain when something isnt up to spec.. If youre a person that comes on here and tells me they can buy a machine with thousands of moving parts without looking at it, then you my friend are an idiot or buying something so cheap you dont care.

no one said that HJ61DOTCOM wasnt open to questions, i think he is, over the phone, not in the "cryptic emails" as you put it, who knows maybee he might send pictures of the vehicle after your "preliminary round of idiocy"

anyways fellas, got to get to work here, away from this post of name calling and hair splitting, it seems that some people on here, are just looking for a place to bitch/ argue about anything. im sick of it and especially when it involves someones business' who's not present to defend.

later

[HJ61DOTCOM]

Hi guys,
Before I post the entire transcript of my emails with "Peter"
I would like to point out a few things:

1. I am not a "dealer"-I do sell to Dealers ,also to Parts brokers and a few
( 5 or less) Private sales per year.

2.I am an Importer, I do this for my own reasons.As Wayne ( A Dealer in
Calgary) has said,I sold him a vehicle that was exactly as I described it.I
sold it to Wayne because I knew that he was a Mechanic and a Dealer, he was
familiar with Landcruisers,also some friends of mine who are also past
customers(Landcruiser Parts dealers) told me that he(Wayne) knows what he is
doing.Therefore, I knew that he wasn't going to need a bunch of "hand
holdoing".

3.I do have to charge GST to people in Canda who purchase from me, because
I'm an inporter and I am a GST registrant.

4.I won't write a reciept for lower than the purchase price so that savings
can be had on the sales tax.

5.I will disclose everything that I know to be wrong with the vehicle.

6. If I think that you are not capable of dealing with simple things such as
finding parts-I won't wont sell to you.

7. If I think you are more concerned with "what the Odometer says" than
"what the condition of the vehicle is" I won't deal with you.-It is not
illegal to roll back odometers in Japan-Maybe that's why there are so many
here with low Kilometers(?)-If you can't handle this fact and get a
mechanical inspection I won't deal with you.

8.My web site is clearly NOT designed to "sell" it is designed to weed out
the "retail customers" from "mechanically knowledgable person"

9.People that deal with me save alot of money.

10.I am not doing this as my main source of income.

11.I am more concerned that whoever I Choose to do business with is very
satisfied than I am with spending lots of time "selling" there are many
other people who are happy to do that.I'm not interested.\

I really hate typing so , I'll stop here.
Here is the entire transcript of the Emails that I received from
"Peter"(with private info blocked out)
Please keep in Mind that in the previous week I recieved many emails from
new "Dealers" who are trying to learn how to import.They generally pose as
Purchasors.Once again please refer to above #1,2,6,8,


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 4:53 AM
To: info@hj61.com
Subject: Prices, info


Why no info or prices on your site? Interested in the HZJ77 and the HDJ81.

Thanks,

Peter




-----Original Message-----
From: Peter xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:20 AM
To: Eric Williamson
Subject: Re: Prices, info


Hi Eric,

Thanks for the reply. I'm in Montreal. Do either of the HDJ's have locking
Diff's? How about mileage, condition, features, etc

Cheers,

Peter


On 28/01/06, Eric Williamson <ericwilliamson@telus.net> wrote:
HZJ77 [Eric Williamson] 15,000
and the HDJ81.[Eric Williamson] I have 2--
one is 24,000
1 is 22,000
Where are you located?

Thanks,

[Eric Williamson] Eric



----Original Message-----
From: Eric Williamson [mailto:ericwilliamson@telus.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:34 AM
To: Peter xxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Prices, info


All are fully locked--- Front,Rear and Center.
They also have a small factory fridge/freezer between the fromt seats.
The vehicles have had Provincial import inspections as well as Commercial
Inspections.
All dutie etc.. has bee paid.As I 'm an importer I have to charge GST.
The one for 24k HAS 101,000km it also has a factory 24V Winch
The one for 22k has 167,000km on it.
Hansons freight forwarders can tell you the cost of shipping,(probably
around 1300)
Thanks
Eric
604.218.1204


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 2:15 PM
To: Eric Williamson
Subject: Re: Prices, info


Thanks Eric,

Which tranny is in each of the HDJ's?

What service/maintenance have you carried out on the trucks?

Have you changed out the BEBs?

Have you done the brakes? If yes, details pls,

How many owners each?

Smoker vehicles?

What tires, how much tread remaining?

What auction grade did each truck receive?

Will you supply auction sheet to prospective buyer?

Are you in Vancouver?

Are you an IH8MUD member, if so, what is your user name?

What is your experience with LC's?

What sort of support do you provide post sale?

Thanks,

Peter xxxxxxxx



-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Williamson
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 2:58 PM
To: Peter xxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Prices, info


I hate typing.
If you send me your phone number I can give you a call.
Thanks,
Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:30 PM
To: Eric Williamson
Subject: Re: Prices, info


Hello Eric,

I would like to have a record of our correspondence and therefore prefer to
communicate via email at this point in time. If I decide that the truck is
of real interest to me, then we can talk on the phone. If you are unwilling
to type a couple of email messages, I'll kindly thank you for your time and
move on to one of the other importers.

Thanks,

Peter


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Williamson [mailto:ericwilliamson@telus.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 4:17 PM
To: Peter xxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Prices, info




I suspect that you are not a legimate purchasor.




-----Original Message-----
From: Peter xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:39 PM
To: Eric Williamson
Subject: Re: Prices, info


I suspect that you are not a legitimate importer and dealer and I will share
this experience, and your response on the IH8MUD forum momentarily. You
have a lot to learn about doing business.

Regards,

Peter (petermac IH8MUD username)



-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Williamson [mailto:ericwilliamson@telus.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:42 PM
To: Peter xxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Prices, info


If you say something untrue about me, that is meant to cause my reputation
harm ...you will be commiting "slander".
You don't want to go there.


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:56 PM
To: Eric Williamson
Subject: Re: Prices, info


If you are an IH8MUD member you will read for yourself in a moment what I've
written and you can decide if I say anything untrue. I am very clear on the
meaning of the legal term slander, thank you. This email, along with your
last one will be posted for everyone to read. I do not appreciate being
threatened with groundless legal recourse.

Regards,

Peter

[brett76]

you crazy ass canucks



haveing read the emails, and heard erics point of view, i can see why he wanted to talk on the phone.

and he seemed to have answered plenty of question before he said that. i understand why he didnt want to write an essay being the kind of dealer he says he is

[firetruck41]

If you're not very interested in selling vehicles and treat potential customers as if that is the case, it should be no suprise that you will develop a reputation reflecting that. Peter's questions were detailed and definitely sounded like those of someone interested in buying an imported LC. The fact that you are uncomfortable with writing email means you will have a more difficult time selling using the internet as an advertising medium.
Your website is very ambiguous, one might conclude that it is to avoid legal "entanglements", which might make a potential buyer careful and wanting a record of the spec/info of the available vehicle.

[e9999]

Seems to me that
- H61 did answer a few questions at first
- then Peter asked a bunch more,
- Peter's use of the work "records" was not wise
- H61 put out the first unfriendly comment

There was a lot of questions from Peter but I've done the same to avoid confusion and misunderstandings, especially after having had some bad experiences where people tell you stuff on the phone that is untrue and you have no "proof" of it.

I agree that however much the list of questions was, a good businessman intending to make a sale would have attempted to answer, especially if we are talking many 1000s of $$.

Whatever....

[mot]

Probably what Eric (HJ61DOTCOM) meant by "not a legitimate buyer" he meant that he could sell his rigs to people/dealers that asked less detailed (pain-in-the-arse ) questions than Peter.

IF I knew the answers to all these questions I personally would take the time to answer them, politely. Even if I didn't have the time at that moment, I would apologize and tell the potential customer that I would get back to him at a later time.

Why, because I FIRMLY believe in the word of mouth.
People with good experiences will tell people about their positive experience just as much as those with bad experience (Free advertisement, too!). Also it is far cheaper to retain your current/potential customers than to try to go out and acquire new ones.

I don't do selling parts/accessories as my main business either, but I still try to be nice to all those with questions, even if they end up telling me that they will contact me at a later time when they have the funds, etc... or when they decide to back out.

Good luck!

Mot

[mk1pickle]

thanks Hawke

[semlin]

Originally Posted by mk1pickle

Semlin you over analytical geek . blah blah
later

you sometimes lack a sense of humour pickle

[Zimm]

i hardy see where the exchange warrented "I'm telling mud on you!" and going public. so the guy doesn't want to answer emails. so what. if you were more than a tire kicker, you'd have plenty of time to get stuff on record prior to pulling the trigger.

remember the boy who cried wolf.

[mk1pickle]

sometimes thats true, but i guess you didnt find it funny either.

[semlin]

zimm that is true. now that the account is laid out that was not a drop a dime-worthy exchange. that said, i still think eric should have answered the questions as a business decision but to each their own.

[firetruck41]

Petermac does seem to have the makings of a "high maintenance" buyer, if you only want to sell to certain people but "advertise" to the public (internet) this stuff will happen.

Hope they can both find what they want.

[Stone]

Eric:

I bumped into a guy who you sold a BJ74 to, and he told me a similar story about his experience with you. I don't have an agenda to defame you, but if enough people are saying the same thing, maybe there's some truth to it.

[HJ61DOTCOM]

Hi Stone,
Did this guy say that he was unhappy with his Landcruiser?

[Stone]

Originally Posted by HJ61DOTCOM

Hi Stone,
Did this guy say that he was unhappy with his Landcruiser?

Nope...just shocked at how he was treated. The product pretty much sells itself, and I have seen you give good deals...but sometimes treating your customers with disdain is not the best business approach. Just giving you a heads up.

[risingsun]

Boy, do you all have a whole lot of time on your hands! But it is a slow morning thus far, so I will wade in. Poignant phrase to follow the likes of flyfisherman Stone.

BTW Stone - how about setting up a JDM early season flyfishing excursion? I have several buddies that are interested. Could be very cool. We did one last fall up to the Smithers area - another hub of JDM activity.

But alas, back into the river of BULL...

As one of the leading importers of JDM LC's in Canada I field emails all day long. Some are clearly investigations as to how the process works, so that individuals can import a vehicle themselves. Others are pie in the sky, if I had the money I would like to buy that truck. And a smaller percentage are real buyers. Any sales process is about weeding out prospects and determining who your buyers are.

In this game, customers are advised to utilize the services of the importer that they intuitively trust. If you are not getting the answers or treatment you want, go somewhere else. Simple.

And by all means shop around and compare vehicles and prices, services offered, and the importer's track record. Personally I think anyone would be crazy not to use one of the big three - Rising Sun, Outback, or Luxury (yes Wayne your initial treatment of me is forgiven).

Other than HJ61 there are a host of other operators out there. Their knowledge of the product they are selling, and their business practices are questionable. Why would you use a company to broker your deal and pay them $1000 to purchase a vehicle they have about as much info about as you do from the pictures. When the vehicle arrives, and you shell out $3-4000 in repairs, those apparent savings vanish. And you have no recourse. As the old cliche goes, pay now, or pay later. There is nothing that replaces quality.

I also get calls after each vessel arrives from Japan asking me about why I think their truck is doing whatever it is doing badly. I always remind the person on the other end that had you used a reputable importer you would not be facing a huge repair bill, and be stuck with that nasty interior. The latest shipment was the best yet! There were interiors that looked like a gang of monkeys had been living in there for 6 months - totally trashed. Injector pumps and turbos leaking so badly that clearly they had not been checked, or even worse they were ignored.

As a final word, all the leading importers have developed relationships with their Japanese counterparts to eliminate receiving lemons. The marginal importers in most cases have not. Purchasing from the big three is your insurance policy to guaruntee that you are buying quality, with a name that stands behind it.

It your choice, choose wisely!

[honk]

LOL!

Eric seemed completely willing to discuss any vehicle he had for sale on the telephone. He'd made it plain that he hates to type (as many of us non-typists do).

But no, he must answer in detail a long string of somewhat ridiculous questions (as if an importer who purchases his offerings at an auction held across an ocean could tell if a vehicle had ever been smoked in) before getting to the meat of a sale process. How tedious such a list would seem to me, especially when the nature of the questions pretty well assures me that my responses if I gave any would only serve to generate another list in more intimate detail.

Haven't any of you met with a requirement to fill out a contact info page when you attempt an email contact with a used or new car seller online?
Car selling is done in person - that's when the salesmen do their persuading and earn their pay.

I might not have used the word "suspect", but I'd have had little interest in wasting time with Peter after seeing that long list of queries. Nevertheless I would expect that my nonresponsiveness would bring Peter to do as he said he'd do in: " If you are unwilling to type a couple of email messages, I'll kindly thank you for your time and move on to one of the other importers". Fine, nice emailing with you, Petey.

But no, instead of leaving me be I'm now threatened with momentary reportage in the full record of the court of IH8MUD of my lack of interest in furthering business under the conditions imposed. Screw that.

IMO, you've got some nerve, Petermac.




For any grammarian/spellchecking weirdos - note my spelling of "weird"

[HJ61DOTCOM]

I would like to Apologize to Petermac for treating him Rudely.
I would also like to apologize to anyone else that I have not treated with the respect that they deserve.
Thanks for the Lesson.
Eric

[petermac]

Appology accepted. For my part I appologize for over reacting. Pure ego response. Lesson learned on both sides.

So, here is the new replacement for my FJ40 - I decided to go with the HZJ73 over the bigger LC as one became available at the right price, right time. The HDJ81 will have to wait a couple years.

I Bought the HZJ today from KK trading, with the help of Louis from Adventure Imports (highly recommend Louis for a JDM purchase). The truck will be shipped from Japan late Feb.

It's a 1991/2 HZJ73 with 92K and a 4B auction rating. I'll be installing an ARB Bull Bar with Warn 8274, a snorkel and possibly ARB Air Lockers (haven't made up my mind yet if it's worth the cost).

Anybody who's intersted in seeing pics of the truck go to this link:

http://www.kktrading-aurora.com/LAND...HZJ73_2591.htm

(Sorry, it is sold.)

Again, if anyone is looking for a standup importer who treats all his prospective customers with courtesy and respect, give Louis at Adventure Imports a call. Marko at Outback was also very helpful and I almost purchased a truck from him last week - he sold it the day I was prepared to buy.

PETER