[Skillet]

After multiple 12 mile treks down Carmel Valley road going 26.3 mph in a 50 mph zone while you held up umpteen regular vehicles who simply wanted to get to where they were going at the speed limit, you should be pulled from your stupid, little, fucking, death-trap cars and beaten publicly with a rubber garden hose until you understand that you are not the only people on this planet and that driving a motorcycle with metal and plastic around it does not give you the goddamn right to make everyone else in this world miserable just because you are saving a little more on gas and are too fucking scared to take your crappy little vehicle faster than a trot.

Also, if you pull out from a side street 25 yards in front of my 4 ton FZJ80 again, while I am going 50 mph, you may not be around to see another Al Gore speech.

Thank you for allowing the longest run-on sentence ever.

In conclusion, fuck off.

[baxter650]

Don't sugar coat it, tell us how you really feel.

[OZCAL]

Mann: Ray, people will come, Ray. They'll come to Iowa for reasons they can't even fathom. They'll turn up your driveway, not knowing for sure why they're doing it. They'll arrive at your door as innocent as children, longing for the past. "Of course, we won't mind if you have a look around," you'll say. "It's only twenty dollars per person." They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it; for it is money they have and peace they lack.

Mark: Ray, just sign the papers.

Mann: And they'll walk out to the bleachers, and sit in shirt-sleeves on a perfect afternoon. They'll find they have reserved seats somewhere along one of the baselines, where they sat when they were children and cheered their heroes. And they'll watch the game, and it'll be as if they'd dipped themselves in magic waters. The memories will be so thick, they'll have to brush them away from their faces.

Mark: Ray, when the bank opens in the morning, they'll foreclose.

Mann: People will come, Ray.

Mark: You're broke, Ray. You sell now or you lose everything.

Mann: The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It's been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt, and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game, is a part of our past, Ray. It reminds us of all that once was good, and it could be again. Ohhhhhhhh, people will come, Ray. People will most definitely come.

That's how I really feel.

[Koffer]

must be the CA smog stuff . I was passed while doing 70 in my E350 V10 by one of those little things last week . Here they are more of a commuter car then a tree huggermoble

[Skillet]

Originally Posted by Koffer

must be the CA smog stuff . I was passed while doing 70 in my E350 V10 by one of those little things last week . Here they are more of a commuter car then a tree huggermoble

That is just it, they CAN go faster, but they don't.

[gmarshall7]

Originally Posted by Skillet

After multiple 12 mile treks down Carmel Valley road going 26.3 mph in a 50 mph zone while you held up umpteen regular vehicles who simply wanted to get to where they were going at the speed limit, you should be pulled from your stupid, little, fucking, death-trap cars and beaten publicly with a rubber garden hose until you understand that you are not the only people on this planet and that driving a motorcycle with metal and plastic around it does not give you the goddamn right to make everyone else in this world miserable just because you are saving a little more on gas and are too fucking scared to take your crappy little vehicle faster than a trot.

Also, if you pull out from a side street 25 yards in front of my 4 ton FZJ80 again, while I am going 50 mph, you may not be around to see another Al Gore speech.

Thank you for allowing the longest run-on sentence ever.

In conclusion, fuck off.

you gotta get on board, skillet.

[WarDamnEagle]

I normally see them in the cities but they are usually driven pretty hard and have never held me up. I also know that they will do 70+ on the motorway (which looks like an insane thing to do to me). Maybe the drivers that drive them in California are just slow?? or selfish pricks secure in their superior lifestyle choices? ...or both?

[batcon]

Originally Posted by Skillet

After multiple 12 mile treks down Carmel Valley road going 26.3 mph in a 50 mph zone while you held up umpteen regular vehicles who simply wanted to get to where they were going at the speed limit, you should be pulled from your stupid, little, ****ing, death-trap cars and beaten publicly with a rubber garden hose until you understand that you are not the only people on this planet and that driving a motorcycle with metal and plastic around it does not give you the goddamn right to make everyone else in this world miserable just because you are saving a little more on gas and are too ****ing scared to take your ****py little vehicle faster than a trot.

Also, if you pull out from a side street 25 yards in front of my 4 ton FZJ80 again, while I am going 50 mph, you may not be around to see another Al Gore speech.

Thank you for allowing the longest run-on sentence ever.

In conclusion, **** off.

Welcome to Carmel Valley! Now get the hell out of my way. Have a nice day!

[Weedhopper]

Around here they drive around with their noses in the air just like the Range Rover drivers. Get smacked in one of those things and their next vehicle will be a wheelchair. Think it's worth it over 10 mpg ?

[Joe_E]

Originally Posted by Koffer

must be the CA smog stuff . I was passed while doing 70 in my E350 V10 by one of those little things last week . Here they are more of a commuter car then a tree huggermoble

One went pass me at about 74 mph in the hammer lane recently.
All I could think of was the absolute carnage that would ensue if he lost control and barrel rolled that beer can in front of the other vehicles into the median.

[DSRTRDR]

the diesel smarts suck - the transmission is sluggish at best; the gasser is somewhat better in pick up but tops out at 135 kmh - way to slow to not be run over by BMWs on the Autobahn

except for easy parking, I can't see the advantage even in Germany (but they also have designated women's parking spaces in garages over there, so I haver have a problem ); the thing cannot even hold a regular suitcase; three shopping bags and you are risking being stoned to death upon a sudden brake by your own canned goods

the cabrio is fun

[Exiled]

Originally Posted by Weedhopper

Around here they drive around with their noses in the air just like the Range Rover drivers. Get smacked in one of those things and their next vehicle will be a wheelchair. Think it's worth it over 10 mpg ?

Here is the land of "every other car is a crew cab full-size pickup truck", I've often wondered how these thing would fare in an accident. Two weeks ago I was the third car in line at a red light, on my way home from work. The first car was a Dodge Dakota, who went right on green. That means the driver didn't see the F-350 super duty that was running the red light, and that t-boned it right in front of my eyes. The whole truck (all four wheels) went up in the air, landed on two wheels, almost went on its side, but ended up upright. If it had hit the guy on the driver side, he would have been history, but he was hit on the passenger side and he made it out with bumps, bruises and a concussion (turns out he works at my company).

Had he been driving one of those Smart cars, they would have had to bury him in it. Period.

Smarts work in tight city quarters where traffic makes people go slow, or in Europe, where worst case scenario you get t-boned by a Fiat Panda going 30 kms/hr. Here in suburban central Texas, you have to be insane to make that your primary mode of transportation.

[Skillet]

Originally Posted by batcon

Welcome to Carmel Valley! Now get the hell out of my way. Have a nice day!

Not trying to come in and tell you valley-ites how to live, but you have to admit, that gets ridiculous, no? I don't give a shit what road you are on.

[Happy Trails]

Drivers of SMART cars are well...not very smart Especially if they choose to pull out in front of my 60.
All you have to do is take the back window/hatch out and put a set of golf clubs in and you've got a
POS, $$ golf cart.

[batcon]

Originally Posted by Skillet

Not trying to come in and tell you valley-ites how to live, but you have to admit, that gets ridiculous, no? I don't give a **** what road you are on.

Its the people driving on this road, not smart cars, Al Gore or the tooth fairy When I moved out here from the penninsula in 84 I could not believe the jack-ass drivers on the road. Especially people who pull out if front of you when you're doing 60 mph and they don't like to press that skinny little pedal. I've actually had peoplel completely stop on the Valley Road and not pull over, cause they don't know where they are going. Wait till summer and all the tourists show up, that's really fun!

[firetruck41]

Smart car drivers are mostly trying to make a statement. If they were really after a practical, high mpg vehicle, they would have bought a Yaris hatchback, twice the passenger capacity, over twice the cargo space (with passengers), less cost, better real world mpg.

[SD_rdcruzer]

Right about 2:20 shows why I wouldn't want to be in one of those things.
I agree with firetruck, people mostly just making a statement.

[agomez]

two guys up the street have one, they spend most of their time in the driveway....

[gmarshall7]

i bet they get run off the road a lot from not showing up in the blind spots.

[bagh33ra]

Carmel Valley. It doesn't matter what they were driving. Shit they could have all been driving Italian super-cars, they still would have been driving that road at half the speed limit or less.

[sisukid1975]

Originally Posted by SD_rdcruzer

Right about 2:20 shows why I wouldn't want to be in one of those things.
I agree with firetruck, people mostly just making a statement.

Why exactly would you not want to be in it? A person would probably survive that crash. What do you think a Land Cruiser would look like after hitting concrete at 70 MPH?

Size matters when you're crashing into another vehicle. If you held a gun to my head and told me I've got to be in a crash with another car, I'll choose the larger vehicle. But if you hold the gun to my head and tell me I've got to be in a crash with a brick wall, I'd probably think more in terms of sound engineering rather than "bigger is better."

[Red Herring]

I like this Smart Car.

YouTube - Smart with hayabusa engine

[Skillet]

Originally Posted by sisukid1975

Why exactly would you not want to be in it? A person would probably survive that crash.

Wow...usually you strike me as a very intelligent guy.

[sundaypunch]

Originally Posted by Exiled

Here is the land of "every other car is a crew cab full-size pickup truck", I've often wondered how these thing would fare in an accident. Two weeks ago I was the third car in line at a red light, on my way home from work. The first car was a Dodge Dakota, who went right on green. That means the driver didn't see the F-350 super duty that was running the red light, and that t-boned it right in front of my eyes. The whole truck (all four wheels) went up in the air, landed on two wheels, almost went on its side, but ended up upright. If it had hit the guy on the driver side, he would have been history, but he was hit on the passenger side and he made it out with bumps, bruises and a concussion (turns out he works at my company).

Had he been driving one of those Smart cars, they would have had to bury him in it. Period.

Smarts work in tight city quarters where traffic makes people go slow, or in Europe, where worst case scenario you get t-boned by a Fiat Panda going 30 kms/hr. Here in suburban central Texas, you have to be insane to make that your primary mode of transportation.

I don't disagree, and I wouldn't ever drive a Smart car. If you substitute "motorcycles" where you mention "smart cars" you can make the same argument though. You don't often see people complaining how unsafe motorcycles are (even though they obviously can be).

[SD_rdcruzer]

Originally Posted by sisukid1975

A person would probably survive that crash.

Did you even watch the video?

No crumple zone.....Floor board was destroyed.....Footwell and dashboard/steering wheel lying in the driver's seat... you could see right through the front of the car...

If someone survived that......there wouldn't be much left of them.

[D'Animal]

So the next time you see one, you are going to get a new bumper. It will liook like a Smart Car.



It should improve the wind resistance of your 80 series.

[nuclearlemon]

Originally Posted by Skillet

That is just it, they CAN go faster, but they don't.

they just need a helpful push

[malcb]

Originally Posted by sisukid1975

Why exactly would you not want to be in it? A person would probably survive that crash. What do you think a Land Cruiser would look like after hitting concrete at 70 MPH?

80 series, 100 series, Smart car, a concrete wall at 70mph head on is not survivable in most cases. Neck and internal organ damage will kill you.

The time taken for the front of an 80 series to fold up would buy you a bit less deceleration and parhaps some more space.

[Gumby]

Smarts do pretty well in the crash tests I've seen. Way better than a PT Cruiser.

Saw one hit a concrete barrier at 50 once on some show. The passenger compartment was fine. The doors even still opened. as said above, it wouldn't matter a whole lot because you wouldn't survive the G forces any way.

I get pretty tired of trying to park my Tundra sometimes. A Smart design parameter is that it can pull nose into a parallel spot. That would be pretty OK if I had to park in a crowded city alot.

I try to ride my motorcycle into Chicago for the same reasons, but getting tagged by a cab would yield pretty different results than if I was in a Smart car.

The big problem with Smarts and Priuses and such is the video game displays that make it a game to get the best mileage. They work very hard at getting people to drive a certain way by giving them constant feedback. Between the fuel savings and the same "I'm more important than you because "I'm sacrificing to make the world a better place" attitudes you get from people who ride their fucking bicycles on the road they tend to piss me off too.

[craptabulous]

Originally Posted by sisukid1975

Why exactly would you not want to be in it? A person would probably survive that crash. better."

you didn't watch the whole video did you ?

at the end of the video it was stated that the passengers would most likely of died .