North Pole May Be Ice Free for First Time This Summer

[Jetboy]

Originally Posted by Fast Eddy

I don't get what you're trying to prove with the submarine pictures. There's ice in all of them. A sub could get there in early spring and come up in a hole in the ice. This year you'll be able to water ski from Alaska to Russia.

Wouldn't your legs get tired?

[RavenTai]

Originally Posted by Jetboy

The salt water expands as it heats up. Warmer water= higher sea. IIRC .5 * C average ocean temp rise creates about a 10cm. Seems high, but I think that's about right.

so for 1c you get 8", 10C higher average global temperature is supposedly the end of most life on earth, 10c would get you 6'8",

Greenland alone gets you 23'
Antarctica over 300'
thermal expansion 6'8"

Originally Posted by Jetboy

The threat of rising seas is due to thermal expansion more than melting ice.

your two statements do not fit each other, which one is wrong?

[LukeO]

Why didn't Newt tell us wee need to drill up North?

Beneath the open sea and all

[78-FJ40]

Originally Posted by LukeO

North Pole May Be Ice Free for First Time This Summer

Well, then you'd better stop driving your cruiser and any other vehicles you own. Do you want to do something about this "problem" or just cut and paste?

[cruiser88]

Originally Posted by 78-FJ40

Well, then you'd better stop driving your cruiser and any other vehicles you own. Do you want to do something about this "problem" or just cut and paste?

ouch.....

[LukeO]

Originally Posted by 78-FJ40

Well, then you'd better stop driving your cruiser and any other vehicles you own. Do you want to do something about this "problem" or just cut and paste?

Who said this was a "problem"

[splitshot]

Originally Posted by Fast Eddy

I don't get what you're trying to prove with the submarine pictures. There's ice in all of them. A sub could get there in early spring and come up in a hole in the ice. This year you'll be able to water ski from Alaska to Russia.

Trying to establish cycles here, also, "the North Pole may be free of ice for the first time "in history" is not technically correct. Do I believe we may have more open water this summer, yes, I believe it's possible. Do I believe the Artic will be COMPLETELY free of ice, no.

I think some of these climatologists word things more toward an emotional basis and not a sientific one.
Just my humble opinion

Hey, how often do the get your weather straight?

Originally Posted by LukeO

"We're actually projecting this year that the North Pole may be free of ice for the first time [in history]," David Barber, of the University of Manitoba

[cruiser88]

Originally Posted by LukeO

Who said this was a "problem"

but but but the earth is coming to a end..... did you not get the memo?

[LukeO]

Originally Posted by cruiser88

but but but the earth is coming to a end..... did you not get the memo?

Nope. Didn't get the memo. Just thought the song went well with the article.

[whodat]

Originally Posted by LukeO

Nope. Didn't get the memo. Just thought the song went well with the article.

The methane coming from your 50 kids is not helping...

[cruiser88]

Originally Posted by whodat

The methane coming from your 50 kids is not helping...

That is just wrong

[LukeO]

Originally Posted by whodat

The methane coming from your 50 kids is not helping...

Shhhhhh. The other 45 are a secret.

[carboncycles]

I wonder if the polarity of the poles is also accelerating the warming. As the poles begin to invert, the magnetic fields that help protect the earth from the deadly radiation begins to collapse until the inversion is completed. Once again, I believe the models are incomplete and Al Gore is the worst actor.

[GetsUThere]

Originally Posted by IDave

I hope we find that neat Ancient defense weapon they have there to fight the Goa'uld!

Displeased...

[89GASHOG]

Originally Posted by LukeO

Who said this was a "problem"

Gee, and I thought you were going to offer up your carbon footprint and compare it to 78FJ40's.
How about Supertramp's "Crisis, what crisis?" as the offical album for this thread.

[IronYuppy]

Originally Posted by 89GASHOG

...
How about Supertramp's "Crisis, what crisis?" as the offical album for this thread.

I'd rather just drown.

[LukeO]

Originally Posted by carboncycles

I wonder if the polarity of the poles is also accelerating the warming. As the poles begin to invert, the magnetic fields that help protect the earth from the deadly radiation begins to collapse until the inversion is completed. Once again, I believe the models are incomplete and Al Gore is the worst actor.

I've wondered about this Pole Shifting scenario since I was a kid.


Maybe Gore's acting is based off the Mesoamerican calender.

[LukeO]

Originally Posted by IronYuppy

I'd rather just drown.

I'm thinking Soundgarden now.

[OZCAL]

Originally Posted by LukeO

I'm thinking Soundgarden now.

Ugly Truth?

[LukeO]

Originally Posted by OZCAL

Ugly Truth?

I can't remember the name of the song right now. Going to have to dig up the cd.

[LukeO]

Originally Posted by 89GASHOG

Gee, and I thought you were going to offer up your carbon footprint and compare it to 78FJ40's.
How about Supertramp's "Crisis, what crisis?" as the offical album for this thread.

My carbon footprint is small compared to the 2 adult and 5 young females in my home. And it's fair to say our Great Dane produces more methane; unless my wife is back to blaming the dog again


Besides. Everybody knows homes leave a larger print than vehicles do.


I'm not up to speed with Supertramp.




When I retire (if ever) I do plan to build or rebuild a self sufficient home in the mountains.

[Atoyot1031]

Since anecdotal evidence is fair game...

...This year was the coldest snowiest winter I've experienced in Aspen. We had lift serviced skiing two weeks ago!!! 100 year snow records were broken along with temperature records. Most of our high mountain passes won't even open this year. This all comes on the tail of a "global warming study" that stated that due to "climate change" in 35 years, we won't even have skiing here.

Pseudo-science is hilarious!!! The weather man can't tell me what's up this afternoon, but I'm supposed to believe some "scientist" that the sky is falling...

[johnny4ever]

Originally Posted by Atoyot1031

Since anecdotal evidence is fair game...

...This year was the coldest snowiest winter I've experienced in Aspen. We had lift serviced skiing two weeks ago!!! 100 year snow records were broken along with temperature records. Most of our high mountain passes won't even open this year. This all comes on the tail of a "global warming study" that stated that due to "climate change" in 35 years, we won't even have skiing here.

Pseudo-science is hilarious!!! The weather man can't tell me what's up this afternoon, but I'm supposed to believe some "scientist" that the sky is falling...

Hit us with the smartness then dude. What is happening?

[LukeO]

Originally Posted by johnny4ever

Hit us with the smartness then dude. What is happening?

The North Pole is moving to Aspen?

[Fast Eddy]

Originally Posted by LukeO

I'm thinking Soundgarden now.

How about Tool - Aenema:

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this

Bullsheot three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless focking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any focking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

...

Learn to swim.

Fock smiley glad-hands
With hidden agendas.
Fock these dysfunctional,
Insecure actresses.

Learn to swim.

Cuz I'm praying for rain
And I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom please flush it all away.
I wanna see it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.

I wanna see it all come down.
suck it down.
flush it down.