The ultimate thread! (possible NSFW) (#30)

[Mars]

Originally Posted by semlin

mars

you did a nice job on the notches in the ledger but i think you need more through bolts to the fascia. you can't rely on screws or lag bolts from behind with a ledger board.

i can't tell how heavy that redwood is, but with the weight of half of sixteen 12' beams plus the fascia and ledger hanging on the end of those rafters, your hurricane ties are the key to the endeavour. personally I would not grow any vines on that pergola.

I hear ya. I'll be using 2x6's across the center section. But I also plan on running 2x2's across the other direction too...

The hurricane ties put all the weight in shearing the screws through the roof joists, and the fascia/ledger boards. The failure point for the straight down weight would have to be there, at the screws through the hurricane ties. I'm not relying on any fasteners pullout strength, everything's in shear...I'm confident it'll hold what I'm putting up there.

I'm still undecided on the vines though, I'll see how it feels once I get all braced and all. I'll be putting some pretty serious 45 degree braces in all directions at the posts.

[Jman]

Originally Posted by dieseldog

Holy Mother of BFE!

If that were dry, imagine what you could do on your thumper in there.

[semlin]

Originally Posted by Jman

Also, that would never fly up here. Too much rain and vegetative matter getting on the roof, it would cascade down and wedge between the pergola and roof edge.

mars does not need no stinking gutters

[GeoRoss]

Who Put The Jelly In A Jellyfish?

[DSRTRDR]

Originally Posted by dieseldog

Claudia, there is no need to register any vehicles or trailers that are not going to be taken upon public roadways. Just leave it where it is and you'll be fine. When you need it again, go to where ever you need to in order to re-register it and then register it for the current year--you won't have to bring it up to date for all the time you missed. They might ask, but you can say it has not been used and now I just want a registration for the current year, thank you very much.

yeah, I know

yet, it is likely that we will have a shitload of things to do in short time if the house really sells (remember is it fully furnighed and livable) - of least interest would be a more than 1 hour round-trip to the County Office

actually, I think I'll do it on Monday or Tuesday next week on my way to town

[GeoRoss]

Originally Posted by stinkyfj60

I could eat like that and not gain weight, because I would burn it off by cycling, snowshoeing, hiking, lifting or wrestling succubi

Succubi wrestling doesn't count. Everyone knows that the reason you don't gain weight is that they are sucking out your life force.

[Jman]

Originally Posted by yooper

Nice geologist quote!

I was going to quote that, too. He might as well have just said "OMFG."

[Mars]

Originally Posted by Jman

You do nice work, and that *probably* will be okay, for the short term. I just worry about adding unplanned stresses to an existing structure that has been engineered to certain tolerances. Will the downward weight on the fascia create a leverage on the roof joists, causing them to bow, creating a bulge in your roof? I do not know. As I say, it *probably* will be okay, but without examining it, I can't say for sure.

Also, that would never fly up here. Too much rain and vegetative matter getting on the roof, it would cascade down and wedge between the pergola and roof edge. But, you live in the fucking desert.

I just don't get not doing the four posts. But again, looks like you do nice work, can't wait to see the finished product.

I didn't do the 4 posts because it'd be a lot of extra work.

That and these things are all over town here, and they are most all attached to the house like I have. I ran this by a bunch of the old-timers that I work with, and they all recommended doing it just like I have, so...I compromised.

The house connection does make me a little nervous, and really the ideal would be 4 posts. But seriously if I had done it with 4 posts it would more than double my workload, because I'd want to cut 2 full new beams like the ones in front with all the notches, with the decorative ends and all, and cut out the posts, dig the holes, pour the concrete, etc. At least a couple more weekends worth of work, and I just don't have the time to do it like that before the summer heat comes on.

Plus I like it attached to the house, I just think it looks better.

I can't see the weight of this thing doing anything to the roof. The overhang from the exterior wall is less than 18", like I said. That's not much of a cantilever on a 40' roof joist. Even if every board was putting 50lbs on the ledger, we're talking 800lbs, maybe 1000lbs after the 2x2's and vines. It'd take a whole lot more than that to lift the weight of all those ceramic roofing tiles.

[DSRTRDR]

Originally Posted by Jman

I just don't get not doing the four posts. But again, looks like you do nice work, can't wait to see the finished product.

X2 on the ncie work

I would have put 4 posts just for the aesthetics, but that's just me

[GeoRoss]

I come into the office to work today.



I forgot my work keys so I can get into the work room I need.



No one is around, I may have to go home to get them.

[Jman]

Originally Posted by yooper

Nice video of stuff falling into the hole, and a red and white helichopter too!

KFDM-TV Channel Six: Video

Tractor!

[dieseldog]

Originally Posted by Hugh Heifer

Wow...263 and I am stilll in the top 5. The river is low and the train is slow.

I count sixth.

[GeoRoss]

That sucker is going take off half your roof with the next microburst.

Originally Posted by Mars

Ok...the notched 2x6 is bolted through the 2x10 fascia board. The fascia board is attached to every roof joist on the opposite side shown with 10 screws in a saddle hurricane tie. On every joist. I'll have to get a pic for approval...believe me its bomber. Then through bolted 3 times, plus I have 3" decking screws coming through in between the hurricane ties, and between all the slots in the 2x6. The roofing overhang can't be more than 18".

The boards running from the house are 2x8 redwood, and are screwed twice with 3-1/2" decking screws into the fascia and ledger at the notches. Screws aren't visible from below.




If I have to in the future, it would be easy to put 2 more posts by the house, and a new beam to remove the roof attachment, but I don't think I'm going to need to. The span from the house to the posts is about 9', and post to post is about 14' for scale. The lowest point of the big beams are 7-8", and the main boards from the house will sit at 8'-2" or so.

{running for cover}

[semlin]

Originally Posted by Mars

I hear ya. I'll be using 2x6's across the center section. But I also plan on running 2x2's across the other direction too...

The hurricane ties put all the weight in shearing the screws through the roof joists, and the fascia/ledger boards. The failure point for the straight down weight would have to be there, at the screws through the hurricane ties. I'm not relying on any fasteners pullout strength, everything's in shear...I'm confident it'll hold what I'm putting up there.

I'm still undecided on the vines though, I'll see how it feels once I get all braced and all. I'll be putting some pretty serious 45 degree braces in all directions at the posts.

the wood at the end of the rafters is the concern. here it would be guaranteed to rot enough in a few years until, under that load, even minor lateral torquing of the pergola would work the screws loose, so you could never trust it.

i would see how well that sliding door works after a month or two of pergola load on the header before adding the weight of vines. a mature grape vine covering that pergola will weigh more than the lumber.

[Jman]

Originally Posted by rachel1027

It is raining today. I wonder if it smells better outside now than it did yesterday when I walked to the market? I bet it just smells like wet shit instead of just shit.

There is a type of ornamental pear tree--white flowers, lots of closely knit branch groupings--that literally smell like dog shit when blooming. I bet they have them were you are.

May Dreams Gardens: Enjoy Flowering Pear Trees From Afar

[dieseldog]

Originally Posted by Jman

If that were dry, imagine what you could do on your thumper in there.

You know, that thought HAD crossed my mind . . .

[GeoRoss]

Originally Posted by rachel1027

I don't think that is a myth though I don't know where it happened.

Those of you that know who Israel Kamakawiwole is knows how big he was. He could not ride in the regular ambulance let alone any of the stretchers that most of us use. I am sure it took a whole fire company to help move him into the rig. I know the hospital had to weigh him on the freight scale rather than the people scale.

I love his voice. It took me ages to find him on iTunes due to trying spell is name off of memory.

[yooper]

Originally Posted by rachel1027

It is raining today. I wonder if it smells better outside now than it did yesterday when I walked to the market? I bet it just smells like wet shit instead of just shit.

I could never live in Baltimore. I interviewed there for the MD/PhD program at Hopkins back in the day (1989 or so) and was disgusted with the place.

[dieseldog]

Originally Posted by Hugh Heifer

OK - this just in. Received a bulletin yesterday stating tha the MS-13 (As gangs go pretty bad as - real legends in their own minds) have training camps in the national Forest in Tennessee. That is fucked up. Like Al's Kadas and shit.

Note: I did not spell the name of the subversive group due to what I know about web site monitoring.

MS13 scares the shit outta me. They roll hard and dirty

[dieseldog]

Originally Posted by gladly

register it... but not until you need it

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