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Originally Posted by Ullr
Shouldn't need to replace the shock mounts unless you reverse the springs for a longer wheelbase.
The front axle can be cut and turned to set pinion angle and correct caster negating the need for a double cardan. Most guys do NOT do this however and opt for turning the diff up and pointing it at the t-case to increase clearance (for the diff).
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Theres a cheap way to change the shock mounts when you reverse the springs. All it takes is a 5/8" drill and a couple of bolts.
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actually i dunno with an SOA if you can still line the pinion up enough to dispense with a double cardon.
in the 80s world lifts are much simpler until you get uber high. you just buy bigger coils, bigger shocks longer brake lines and caster adaptor plates to rotate the axle by altering the angle that the lower control arms connect to the axle. At about 4 inches in height it gets harder and starts to cost a lot more.
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From my experience, Rusty was underestimating with his 1.25x the cost estimate...
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Originally Posted by semlin
it is better to realign the axle so that the the pinion output points at the diff than to use a double cardon drive shaft. you get better clearance, better direct mechanical transfer of power, less stress on the pinion and t-case and less u-joints to break.
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Err, opposite. If you point the diff at the t-case (i.e. rotate it upwards) you have to use a double cardan as the angles on the u-joints at each end of the driveshaft will not match.
If you set the correct pinion angle, which is the exact same angle (complementary) that the pinion flange exits teh t-case, you can use a standard u-joint drive shaft.
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Originally Posted by Mars
From my experience, Rusty was underestimating with his 1.25x the cost estimate...
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Thats why there was the "While I'm at it." syndrome caveat in there. 
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there seems to be more german genepool in TUT than I was previously aware of 
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I think we're all a little German.  Except for maybe Stinky. 
No, wait, he's probably touched a lot of monkeys. 
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Originally Posted by rusty_tlc
I'll sell you the rusty SOA kit for a lot less . All you really need is a set of $30 spring perches from Summit, I can get you the P/N.
Why would you need a DC drive shaft? You are going to cut and turn right?
I found a set of used 36" TSL bias plys for $400 on Pirate. This helped defer the cost of tires for a year or so.
re Shock Hoops, I doubt it.
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well than that makes much more sense....
I always thoght, not sure why, but even with C&T youo still need DC Dshaft...
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04-02-08, 12:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by semlin
actually i dunno with an SOA if you can still line the pinion up enough to dispense with a double cardon.
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Yes you can.
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04-02-08, 12:09 PM
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Thats why there was the "While I'm at it." syndrome caveat in there. |
Aah...of course.
Too many factors for me. I just go with a factor of 2x and call it good.
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04-02-08, 12:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by semlin
actually i dunno with an SOA if you can still line the pinion up enough to dispense with a double cardon.
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He has a 60 which has a long enough wheel base to get away with out a DC.
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1975 FJ40, A couple of thingamajigs and a deally bob, fully integrated whatzits, dash board Hula girl (pending spousal approval.)
1998 pair of Pink Panties, now with a doohicky in the front.
1984 FJ60, Detroits F&R and a gawd awful spring lift.
Rust never sleeps.
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04-02-08, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by InsanityIsBorn
well than that makes much more sense....
I always thoght, not sure why, but even with C&T youo still need DC Dshaft...
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Seems like TUT has basically come to the consensus that you need to do the SOA, instead of the new springs/etc.
Check that one off the list.
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04-02-08, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mars
Seems like TUT has basically come to the consensus that you need to do the SOA, instead of the new springs/etc.
Check that one off the list.
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seems like it!
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04-02-08, 12:11 PM
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04-02-08, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by InsanityIsBorn
good to know. I have heard a lot of good about both SOA and lift springs.
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My personal experience with SOA is that often it makes the vehicles somewhat squirrley and often is done by PO's that IMHO did not have enough money to do a proper lift correctly or even the SOA properly.
I have just witnessed too many poorly executed SOA's not to have this prejudice. I know it can be done properly but from what I have seen this is often not the case.
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04-02-08, 12:14 PM
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Wait, how come no body lift? 
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04-02-08, 12:14 PM
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For an SOA, you have to cut your axle housing and rotate part of it--what, like 5% is it?
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Depends on the desired pinion angle and caster. With the bigger tires its better to have more caster (4 degrees IIRC) than factory (1 degree IIRC).
So, less rotation on the cut and turn if you set correct pinion angle, more rotation if you turn the diff up towards the t-case.
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which makes sense...
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That was a joke. Body lifts suck worse than shackle lifts.
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04-02-08, 12:16 PM
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04-02-08, 12:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars
Aah...of course.
Too many factors for me. I just go with a factor of 2x and call it good.
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Thats a very personal factor. I'm sure we could quantize it base on the individuals level of OCD/ADD and the scope of the project. For me it's usually a factor of 3 to 10 X the expected time required. I get side tracked easy. Plus if I have anything that runs and will go off road I can easily be pursuaded to skip working on projects and go play in the hills.
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What the large print giveth, the fine print taketh away.
Battle Born Cruisers
1975 FJ40, A couple of thingamajigs and a deally bob, fully integrated whatzits, dash board Hula girl (pending spousal approval.)
1998 pair of Pink Panties, now with a doohicky in the front.
1984 FJ60, Detroits F&R and a gawd awful spring lift.
Rust never sleeps.
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04-02-08, 12:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by srplus
My personal experience with SOA is that often it makes the vehicles somewhat squirrley and often is done by PO's that IMHO did not have enough money to do a proper lift correctly or even the SOA properly.
I have just witnessed too many poorly executed SOA's not to have this prejudice. I know it can be done properly but from what I have seen this is often not the case.
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True dat, too many SOA's are done as a "poor man's lift kit" and very dangerous, especially for on road driving.
Number 1 problem: incorrect caster angle, causing soem freaky steering issues.
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Early lunch with a local Cruiser Head.
Later.
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What the large print giveth, the fine print taketh away.
Battle Born Cruisers
1975 FJ40, A couple of thingamajigs and a deally bob, fully integrated whatzits, dash board Hula girl (pending spousal approval.)
1998 pair of Pink Panties, now with a doohicky in the front.
1984 FJ60, Detroits F&R and a gawd awful spring lift.
Rust never sleeps.
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04-02-08, 12:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InsanityIsBorn
I've read a bunch of them, I just misread your post so it cam to me as a little bit cronfusing
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Mostly you will not have to mess with the cam in a lift. 
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04-02-08, 12:20 PM
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> ur godz... wtfpwn
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Quote:
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That was a joke. Body lifts suck worse than shackle lifts.
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I remember seeing trucks in Cali with liek 6 inch body lifts, no suspension lift
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Lunch. You bastids better not finish this TUT off in the next hour.
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04-02-08, 12:21 PM
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04-02-08, 12:21 PM
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So Ian you wanna help me with the c&t... and getting correct cast angles?? lol thats the only part I don't understand really..
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04-02-08, 12:22 PM
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Quote:
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I remember seeing trucks in Cali with liek 6 inch body lifts, no suspension lift |
W THE FUCK?
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