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So if IIB can weld I say SOA.
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Originally Posted by Ullr
Not if she puts in a trac bar.
The problem with an SOA for grrl, IMHO, would be that she can't do the fabrication and cut and turn herself. Therefore it would probably be far more expensive than a spring lift.
Not a big fan of shackle lifts but some people love them
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I am doing it...lol I have a fair idea on how to do it and several people nearby who could help. I also have welder et al, just need to see if I can score some room in the garage for a month....lol
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I'll post a witty riposte just as soon as I remove my foot from my mouth.
I have no clue why i thought it was grrl.
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We both have 62s and I've been asking a lot of TECH questions lately
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Originally Posted by Ullr
For those just logging in, a quick recap of the tax teakkettling:
Steve said:
Fred said:
Semlin said:
DD said:
JMAN said:
Semlin said:
Steve said:
Fred said:
DD said:
JMAN said:
Fred said:
Semlin said:
Steve said:
Fred said:
DD said:
Steve said:
JMAN said:
Semlin said:
Steve said:
... and thats about it so far. Stay tuned for more hot tax teakettle action!
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Seriously I never said anything????
not even  or :MAD:
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> ur godz... wtfpwn
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We both have 62s and I've been asking a lot of TECH questions lately 
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What she said
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We both have 62s and I've been asking a lot of TECH questions lately 
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And you're both so purty.
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And you're both so purty. 
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It's a train on a barge going down a river.
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So is there like a train on river barge tax??
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It was Insanity pondering SOA, not grrl, yes?  So, "he" not "she." 
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Originally Posted by Jman
Unless there is something we don't know. . . . 
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gosh I sure hope not....
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 that is harsh
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claudia is calling me harsh
you took it out of context and perhaps needs a little background. it was more a shot at the texas bar than DD. i pointed out he is a member of the texas bar not just any bar. texas law notoriously takes an exceedingly expansive view of the extent to which a particular state (texas) may take jurisdiction over persons and matters beyond its territorial boundaries. this is a view assiduously supported by many members of the texas bar because it is a source of considerable work for lawyers in texas since the courts in texas routinely take jurisdiction over disputes between parties that, on first or second glance, have very little to do with the great state of texas.
thus there is no small irony in the fact that a lawyer from texas was describing a perfectly logical and widely applied theory and practice of sales tax jurisdiction intended to facilitate taking an expansive jurisdiction over interjurisdictional sales as "patently absurd", notwithstanding that it may not be how they do things in texas (or other states in the union)  It is what is sometimes called the pot calling the kettle black
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SOA will get you axle wrap - just sayin'
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Originally Posted by Ullr
Not if she puts in a trac bar.
The problem with an SOA for grrl, IMHO, would be that she can't do the fabrication and cut and turn herself. Therefore it would probably be far more expensive than a spring lift.
Not a big fan of shackle lifts but some people love them
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Originally Posted by Jman
It was Insanity pondering SOA, not grrl, yes?  So, "he" not "she."
Unless there is something we don't know. . . . 
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Originally Posted by grrlscout89FJ62
That'd be IIB askin'.
I've already decided on OME Dakars.*
*when I get rich
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Originally Posted by InsanityIsBorn
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Originally Posted by Ullr
I'll post a witty riposte just as soon as I remove my foot from my mouth.
I have no clue why i thought it was grrl.
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Originally Posted by Ullr
So if IIB can weld I say SOA.
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Originally Posted by InsanityIsBorn
I am doing it...lol I have a fair idea on how to do it and several people nearby who could help. I also have welder et al, just need to see if I can score some room in the garage for a month....lol
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This post is a lot of multi-quotes to clarify confusion.
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Uh oh. This could go on for a while. 
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So if IIB can weld I say SOA.
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so thats one vote for SOA
and 2 that say SOA will give a lot of axle wrap.
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So is there like a train on river barge tax??
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Whatever it is, its covering ground at an alarming rate.
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so thats one vote for SOA
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Two votes for SOA. Build a monster.
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I am doing it...lol I have a fair idea on how to do it and several people nearby who could help. I also have welder et al, just need to see if I can score some room in the garage for a month....lol
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Engineering wisdom.
Actual Time required = expected Time required X 1.25
*1.75 if you have an OCD personality.
Actual cost = expected cost X 1.20
*Applies only if you avoid the "While I'm at it." syndrome.
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This post is a lot of multi-quotes to clarify confusion.
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South Park, for all it's slapstick crude humor can hide a fairly intelligent and complicated message behind the facade of idiocy.
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So Nater that link about the Upside-Down-Ternet is cool, wuld you be willing to help me understands it a bit more so I can do it??
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Word. Well, it's run on a linux box, so if you are routing through a wifi router (unless it can run DD-WRT) you're pretty much SOL. Kinda one of those 'if you have to ask' things... but still a funny idea.
Oh yea, I catsuped your post about the wine.woot... it seems like a pretty decent cross section of some reds.
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Blow Or Get Out?
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*TECH POLL*
Which would TUT say I should do to lift my '88 62??
should I do a 4inch new leafs(Alcans, OME, etc), with 1-2 inch longer shackles? A bit less lift, more money, less time.
OR
Should I do a SOA. More lift, less money, more time.
What says TUT?
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same
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the "less money" part of that equation can fluctuate depending on how thorough a job you do, IMHO, the lift springs are the better option. but a properly done soa can be good
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uh oh, semlin's going to declare a thumb war...
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Sorry guys

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When I see the head go back and forth all I cna think of is
"What is love?? baby don't hurt me
don't hurt me
no more...
What is love?"
with the guys in the movie Night At The Roxbury....is that wierd....
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I am not a big fan of SOA mods. But that's just me.
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There are far greater problems with axle wrap on an SOA rig than with stock or just lifted with springs.
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I like them more or less, as much as I like other styles of lifts...
I was gonna do a holy shit I forgot what its called.....goes from frame to axle.... oh well....
maybe anti-wrap bar? iirc I was gonna do one a dems...
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you talking about spring reversal? Moving the shackles to the "inside" rather than towards the bumpers?
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I think he is talking about an anti wrap bar setup
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G'day Fuckerinos
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makes sense!!
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So is there like a train on river barge tax??
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No. Upon further research, I think taxing TUT would be a violation of the inanity clause of the interstate communications act. See §646.69-B US Civil Statutes.
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I can't tell you how stoked I was to sell that mower. And for $30. Easiest Craigslist transaction ever.
Why can't my 80 just sell like that...

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for $30 it will
heck even I would fly out and get it for that price
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so 2 to 2
hahahahahah
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so thats one vote for SOA
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Yes on SOA
Yes on wrap, but it's an easy, and cheap, fix.
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on a large shackle lift don't the front shackles hangers continue to get hung up on stuff far more than on an SOA?
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Yes on SOA
Yes on wrap, but it's an easy, and cheap, fix.
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Yeah thats what I figured.
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on a large shackle lift don't the front shackles hangers continue to get hung up on stuff far more than on an SOA?
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Yes... and the same with the u-bolts and springs and ubolt plates, etc..
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so thats one vote for SOA
and 2 that say SOA will give a lot of axle wrap.
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You need a traction bar, also called an anti-wrap or anti-squat bar. There will be no axle wrap with a trac bar. If you add a trac bar SOA is by far the superior lift.
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I think they call being born with physical elements of both sexes "intersexed" now -- at least in humans. 
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hermaphrodite sounds much more poetic to me
aphrodite - goddess of love
PS: nobody calls the hermaphrodite worm Caenorhabditis elegans (favorite lab animal) 'intersexed'
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Who Posted?
Total Posts: 14,545
User Name Posts
Mars 1,666
dieseldog 1,310
srplus 1,104
yooper 887
Jman 866
InsanityIsBorn 824
DSRTRDR 751
semlin 745
surfpig 669
Mickldo 571
for the current record...looks like Mars will be paying the least taxes when this tax thing comes to fruition....
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You need a traction bar, also called an anti-wrap or anti-squat bar. There will be no axle wrap with a trac bar. If you add a trac bar SOA is by far the superior lift.
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good to know. I have heard a lot of good about both SOA and lift springs.
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on a large shackle lift don't the front shackles hangers continue to get hung up on stuff far more than on an SOA?
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Not if you do a shackle reversal, but the hangers get hung up. They need to be uber long to keep the castor correct.
SOA is a far better option, however, the best results are realized if you also do a Hy Steer conversion at the same time.
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Battle Born Cruisers
1975 FJ40, A couple of thingamajigs and a deally bob, fully integrated whatzits, dash board Hula girl (pending spousal approval.)
1998 pair of Pink Panties, now with a doohicky in the front.
1984 FJ60, Detroits F&R and a gawd awful spring lift.
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