The ultimate thread! (possible NSFW) (#28)

[InsanityIsBorn]

so it will get shipped out at the end of the week?

[dieseldog]

Originally Posted by Cube Dweller

If the economy tanks and I sell my house, I might start shopping for a desperation deal...otherwise I'm rigless.

rigless? have you sold all your Land Cruisers? or am I misreading your comment . . .

[InsanityIsBorn]

Or after this deal ends?

bummer....I was hoping for sooner, but thats cool.


not a bad deal either!

[dieseldog]

Originally Posted by Bogo

Or tell if the field is in drought stress or not... Got to love pickup seat farming...

true.

[NaterGator]

Originally Posted by InsanityIsBorn

Or after this deal ends?

bummer....I was hoping for sooner, but thats cool.


not a bad deal either!

Sometimes they do shipments mid-woot, other times not. Also, if you sign up for the lab-rat program they'll pick a few random people each time who woot early to get a (maybe free/extra?) bottle overnighted that monday. Those people are ideally supposed to taste test it and write tasting notes on the forum. It's a cool program, but I've never been picked

[InsanityIsBorn]

Originally Posted by NaterGator

Sometimes they do shipments mid-woot, other times not. Also, if you sign up for the lab-rat program they'll pick a few random people each time who woot early to get a (maybe free/extra?) bottle overnighted that monday. Those people are ideally supposed to taste test it and write tasting notes on the forum. It's a cool program, but I've never been picked

that would be swell if they sent it mid-woot, thats also a very cool program!

[gladly]

nothing to see here

[Bogo]

Originally Posted by DSRTRDR

I just had to come back to round up the cows

I know one thing for sure:




that European genepool done them no good

I'm not fan of the continental breeds. On the other hand i do like the British breeds. Especially the ones from up north where they take meat quality seriously.

Originally Posted by NaterGator

Due to the amount of wifi stealing that seems to go on in TUT, I figured this was applicable:
Upside-Down-Ternet

Love the fuzzy net. Set that up to get fuzzier and fuzzier the longer the dweeb is online.

[semlin]

Originally Posted by dieseldog

semlin, you're not on-point here. The idea is that the seller is NOT in the state of florida in any way, shape or form. Given that tidbit, if a person in florida buys over the interweb from that seller and pays no sales tax, then it is inconceiveable that Florida could possibly be owed any tax and the fishing expedition you describe is patently absurd. This all presumes, of course, that it has been firmly established that the seller has NO NEXUS with the State of Florida.

As to your second paragraph regarding amazon.com--that is superfluous and does not contradict the case cited by Fred--seeing as amazon is collecting sales tax for every state in which they have operations.

i might be wrong, but my argument is not absurd.

i don't know us federal/state tax law but i assume it is much like federal tax law in canada and really this is kind of a conflict of laws question anyway.

first off, remember the basis of jurisdiction to tax the sale of goods does not have to be the seller being physically domiciled in the state. sales tax is levied on the buyer, not the seller. as a matter of convenience, the seller is dragooned into collecting and remitting the tax for the state by legislation, but the buyer is the one paying it and the buyer's domicile is the key.

so if the goods are delivered in florida to a florida resident, then florida can choose to levy sales tax on the buyer, regardless of where the company that sells them is based. the fact title to the goods is taken in florida would be sufficient for florida to tax them. what they can't do is force a company outside the state to collect the tax for them.

but, if buyers evade the law by failing to voluntarily pay their taxes, then the state of florida can conduct an investigation and can bring charges and they can subpoena the records of sellers to prove that buyers are evading the law. generally speaking courts in another jurisdiction will assist a state investigating criminal activity by giving effect to a subpoena or letters rogatory or some other form of compulsion.

so if you are a florida prosecuter and you go to wisconsin with a florida subpoena and say to a wisconsin court "people in florida are evading the law and a company residing in wisconsin has the records which will prove it" there is a chance a wisconsin court will assist by issuing a subpoena.

florida can also go further and actually take jurisdiction over the seller and require the seller to collect and remit sales tax if they can find any basis for taking jurisdiction over the seller that would allow them to say they are domiciled in the state. That includes any kind of business operation in the state by the seller. that is why i brought up amazon as an example. they are stuck collecting sales tax for any state where they have offices regardless of whether the goods in a particular transaction are actually delivered from a warehouse in a different state.

incidentally, i would have thought of you as readily grasping this as a member of the bar of the great state of texas which has done more than anyone else to successfully extended the concept of state jurisdiction over subject matter outside that state based on a very tenuous notion of concepts like domicile. your plaintiff's bar association colleagues have done much to facilitate the bringing of big fat jury claims in texas courts on matters with a very tenuous connection to texas

[semlin]

Originally Posted by dieseldog

understood. but feel free to do whatever you did to get them to Yooper. I'd be happy to bear whatever costs are associated with this--my wife thanks you in advance.

that is the delay. i need to cross the border manually with said nuts on board.

[InsanityIsBorn]

*TECH POLL*

Which would TUT say I should do to lift my '88 62??

should I do a 4inch new leafs(Alcans, OME, etc), with 1-2 inch longer shackles? A bit less lift, more money, less time.

OR

Should I do a SOA. More lift, less money, more time.


What says TUT?

[dieseldog]

Originally Posted by semlin

i might be wrong, but my argument is not absurd.

i don't know us federal/state tax law but i assume it is much like federal tax law in canada and really this is kind of a conflict of laws question anyway.

first off, remember the basis of jurisdiction to tax the sale of goods does not have to be the seller being physically domiciled in the state. sales tax is levied on the buyer, not the seller. as a matter of convenience, the seller is dragooned into collecting and remitting the tax for the state by legislation, but the buyer is the one paying it and the buyer's domicile is the key.

so if the goods are delivered in florida to a florida resident, then florida can choose to levy sales tax on the buyer, regardless of where the company that sells them is based. the fact title to the goods is taken in florida would be sufficient for florida to tax them. what they can't do is force a company outside the state to collect the tax for them.

but, if buyers evade the law by failing to voluntarily pay their taxes, then the state of florida can conduct an investigation and can bring charges and they can subpoena the records of sellers to prove that buyers are evading the law. generally speaking courts in another jurisdiction will assist a state investigating criminal activity by giving effect to a subpoena or letters rogatory or some other form of compulsion.

so if you are a florida prosecuter and you go to wisconsin with a florida subpoena and say to a wisconsin court "people in florida are evading the law and a company residing in wisconsin has the records which will prove it" there is a chance a wisconsin court will assist by issuing a subpoena.

florida can also go further and actually take jurisdiction over the seller and require the seller to collect and remit sales tax if they can find any basis for taking jurisdiction over the seller that would allow them to say they are domiciled in the state. That includes any kind of business operation in the state by the seller. that is why i brought up amazon as an example. they are stuck collecting sales tax for any state where they have offices regardless of whether the goods in a particular transaction are actually delivered from a warehouse in a different state.

incidentally, i would have thought of you as readily grasping this as a member of the bar of the great state of texas which has done more than anyone else to successfully extended the concept of state jurisdiction over subject matter outside that state based on a very tenuous notion of concepts like domicile. your plaintiff's bar association colleagues have done much to facilitate the bringing of big fat jury claims in texas courts on matters with a very tenuous connection to texas

Regarding the highlighted portion, you are wrong, Simon, as it applies to the United States. Here, the law does not allow a state to levy a tax on a sale unless the sale takes place in the state. The sale takes place where the seller says it does and it would be up to the Florida authorities to prove otherwise. A fishing expedition looking for florida BUYERS is not appropriate; however, a fishing expedition looking for SELLERS with a nexus to florida is another matter entirely. Shipping into florida does not supply the required nexus.

You are trying too hard here, Simon. I'm down with choice of laws and all the rest--no problem; however, the fact of the matter here is that in the United States, no tax is due and owing on interstate sales (if the seller operates in the same state as the buyer lives, then it's not an interstate sale, regardless of where the shipping originates). If the seller has no nexus with the state of the buyer, the buyer cannot be charged with sales tax and the buyer's home state is categorically barred from doing so. Canadian law is completely irrelevant on this point. No one is skirting the law or avoiding their legal obligations here. The only way that the case matters to Florida is when (and if) the seller who claims no nexus with Florida prevaricates and actually does have nexus in that state. In such a case, it would be actionable by the florida authorities and it would be their burden to prove such.

It is risky to try to apply canadian legal thought and practice by extension into united states. This is a settled issue here and the Supreme Court has spoken. It is true that states are often tempted to sabre rattle and try to eek out every dollar they can--even if the case law does not support it. I liken it to the example of taking every legal income tax deduction possible. In so doing, I am not cheating the government, I'm paying the proper tax. If I miss some deductions, then I'm overpaying and it's not likely the government will, of their own accord, be forthcoming with a return of my funds.

[gladly]

Originally Posted by Mars

wr0d.

Take that!

same

[gladly]

Originally Posted by InsanityIsBorn

*TECH POLL*

Which would TUT say I should do to lift my '88 62??

should I do a 4inch new leafs(Alcans, OME, etc), with 1-2 inch longer shackles? A bit less lift, more money, less time.

OR

Should I do a SOA. More lift, less money, more time.


What says TUT?

the "less money" part of that equation can fluctuate depending on how thorough a job you do, IMHO, the lift springs are the better option. but a properly done soa can be good

[gladly]

Originally Posted by semlin

1 2 3 4 ...

uh oh, semlin's going to declare a thumb war...

[gladly]

Originally Posted by semlin

i declare a K war

hm.
.
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[gladly]

Originally Posted by Mars

Hey were has Rezkid been?

He said he was on a trip or something...

I thought he fawked off for a job?/

[gladly]

Originally Posted by rachel1027

Remember what I said about a job for everyone?? I could never be a lawyer. Kudos to you for not losing your sanity in that profession.

Originally Posted by semlin

release the bats

[NaterGator]

Sorry guys

[InsanityIsBorn]

Originally Posted by gladly

the "less money" part of that equation can fluctuate depending on how thorough a job you do, IMHO, the lift springs are the better option. but a properly done soa can be good

yeah thats what I have been pondering.....turning over options in my head.....