[gbcruiser]

Questions for the faithful:

If anyone can tell me exactly what makes their God 'real' and all others 'fake' I will convert and donate everything I own to the church of your choice right now (along with the gold bars).

10,000 years ago humans walked the earth but your religion, and therefore your God, had not even been invented. Explain how your omnipresent God didn't exist during this time, and where he/she/it was.

If God created the universe, what created God? This is an important question as everything we know about the universe proves that complexity (as in a highly complex supreme being) comes from simplicity. Complex things don't spontaneously self-create.

Every word in every religion on this planet was written by human hands. Most religions contradict each other. Almost every religion claims it is the only true religion. Almost every God claims it is the only true God. How can this be?

A stroll through a children's cancer ward, or a war torn country, or an impoverished nation where millions are disease ridden and starving, proves one of three things: if there is a God, he does not care, or if there is a God, he is extremely sadistic, or there simply is no God. Which is most likely?

I have no answers, only questions, so I'm not atheist but more agnostic.

Best bumper sticker ever: Dear Lord, Save Me from your Followers.

['74 UA FJ]

Originally Posted by gbcruiser

Questions for the faithful:

If anyone can tell me exactly what makes their God 'real' and all others 'fake' I will convert and donate everything I own to the church of your choice right now (along with the gold bars).

10,000 years ago humans walked the earth but your religion, and therefore your God, had not even been invented. Explain how your omnipresent God didn't exist during this time, and where he/she/it was.

If God created the universe, what created God? This is an important question as everything we know about the universe proves that complexity (as in a highly complex supreme being) comes from simplicity. Complex things don't spontaneously self-create.

Every word in every religion on this planet was written by human hands. Most religions contradict each other. Almost every religion claims it is the only true religion. Almost every God claims it is the only true God. How can this be?

A stroll through a children's cancer ward, or a war torn country, or an impoverished nation where millions are disease ridden and starving, proves one of three things: if there is a God, he does not care, or if there is a God, he is extremely sadistic, or there simply is no God. Which is most likely?

I have no answers, only questions, so I'm not atheist but more agnostic.

Best bumper sticker ever: Dear Lord, Save Me from your Followers.

[Skillet]

Aaaaannnnnnnd....they're off!

[amos715]

Originally Posted by Gold Boy

can you show me in the Bible where any Christian, has asked non-believers to fund a Christian mission?

as a Christian myself I find your fund raising doctrine, a little inappropriate.

most of the Churches i have attended, have raised the cash within the there Church congregation.

when the hebrews left egypt they took everything from pharoh's people. i could go on but your main arguement is raising funds within the church, which the body of believers is the church.

Originally Posted by LukeO

Then what do the words (shoes, purse and salute) really mean since they must be Greek too?

Oh, and there still isn't any mention of fund raising. Fund raising like an Earthly king would have to do in order to send people places...

shoes means shoes - purse means purse - salute actually is talking about embracing someone.
paul was a tent maker "to raise funds"
i am trying to sell magazine subscriptions

[Gold Boy]

Originally Posted by gbcruiser

Questions for the faithful:

If anyone can tell me exactly what makes their God 'real' and all others 'fake' I will convert and donate everything I own to the church of your choice right now (along with the gold bars).

10,000 years ago humans walked the earth but your religion, and therefore your God, had not even been invented. Explain how your omnipresent God didn't exist during this time, and where he/she/it was.

If God created the universe, what created God? This is an important question as everything we know about the universe proves that complexity (as in a highly complex supreme being) comes from simplicity. Complex things don't spontaneously self-create.

Every word in every religion on this planet was written by human hands. Most religions contradict each other. Almost every religion claims it is the only true religion. Almost every God claims it is the only true God. How can this be?

A stroll through a children's cancer ward, or a war torn country, or an impoverished nation where millions are disease ridden and starving, proves one of three things: if there is a God, he does not care, or if there is a God, he is extremely sadistic, or there simply is no God. Which is most likely?

I have no answers, only questions, so I'm not atheist but more agnostic.

Best bumper sticker ever: Dear Lord, Save Me from your Followers.

good questions

i have to apologize in advance that my typing and english skills are not as good as yours, so please excuse me for my short reply.

you ask about spiritual knowledge, when you yourself is not spiritual.

all i can say then.

cursing and blessing are to me for real, Satan is for real, and Jesus is for real.

who started the suffering? God? us? who?

and one day you and i will find out.

sorry, but that is as deep as i want to get.

edit, they call me the riddler . . .

[DSRTRDR]

Originally Posted by LukeO

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../print/xx.html

I am pleased to see that the CIA is now working on really secret stuff

[amos715]

Originally Posted by gbcruiser

10,000 years ago humans walked the earth but your religion, .....

If God created the universe, what created God? ....

Every word in every religion on this planet was written by human hands. Most religions contradict each other. Almost every religion claims it is the only true religion. Almost every God claims it is the only true God. How can this be?

A stroll through a children's cancer ward, or a war torn country, or an impoverished nation where millions are disease ridden and starving, proves one of three things: if there is a God, he does not care, or if there is a God, he is extremely sadistic, or there simply is no God. Which is most likely?

I have no answers, only questions, so I'm not atheist but more agnostic.

Best bumper sticker ever: Dear Lord, Save Me from your Followers.

let's see if i can address these in order

first:
if your basing your 10,000 year thing on Darwin's theroy of eveolution.
he also uses as proof that evolution is real, the fact that whites are smarter than blacks and men are smarter than women
i would not back that horse

second:
God simply says that he always was and always will be.
my guess is we are not smart enough to understand the big picture

third:
there are many religions and opions simply because people would rather do it their way than God's
Jesus said I am The Way The Truth and The Life
most religious leaders claim to have a higher power to direct you to those things. Jesus was the only one who said He was those things.

fourth:
you point out bad things like cancer and war and ask why doesn't God stop these things?
there is no difference in God's eyes between someone who tells a white lie and someone who commits murder.
if God destroyed everything evil he would have to nuke the entire planet at once.
God desires people to follow Him because they want to not because they are robots.
So He has decided to be longsuffering with us, so that all people will have a chance to follow Him

[gbcruiser]

Originally Posted by amos715

if your basing your 10,000 year thing on Darwin's theroy of eveolution. he also uses as proof that evolution is real, the fact that whites are smarter than blacks and men are smarter than women i would not back that horse

Not at all, just facts. We know human civilizations have been here much longer, 10,000 was just an example. In my back yard there are arrow heads that date back 12,000 years.

It's a logical fallacy (one often employed by the faithful) to say that one error proves another. If Darwin thought one race or gender superior to another (which at that time was commonly believed, especially by religious folks) this would in no way invalidate his scientific theory of evolution.

The same argument in reverse would say that just because someone believes in God, they can't be a good math teacher. The two are completely unrelated, and it would be unfair and manipulative to try and link them.

I'll leave you to your beliefs, and expect the same in return: my only belief is that no one knows, and anyone who claims to know, knows even less.

Peace

PS: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?

[LukeO]

Originally Posted by gbcruiser

Not at all, just facts. We know human civilizations have been here much longer, 10,000 was just an example. In my back yard there are arrow heads that date back 12,000 years.

It's a logical fallacy (one often employed by the faithful) to say that one error proves another. If Darwin thought one race or gender superior to another (which at that time was commonly believed, especially by religious folks) this would in no way invalidate his scientific theory of evolution.

The same argument in reverse would say that just because someone believes in God, they can't be a good math teacher. The two are completely unrelated, and it would be unfair and manipulative to try and link them.

I'll leave you to your beliefs, and expect the same in return: my only belief is that no one knows, and anyone who claims to know, knows even less.

Peace

PS: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?

A better question would be.

Why can man grow a heart suitable for human transplant in a pig, when a god cannot heal an amputee?

[Gold Boy]

Originally Posted by gbcruiser

Not at all, just facts. We know human civilizations have been here much longer, 10,000 was just an example. In my back yard there are arrow heads that date back 12,000 years.

It's a logical fallacy (one often employed by the faithful) to say that one error proves another. If Darwin thought one race or gender superior to another (which at that time was commonly believed, especially by religious folks) this would in no way invalidate his scientific theory of evolution.

The same argument in reverse would say that just because someone believes in God, they can't be a good math teacher. The two are completely unrelated, and it would be unfair and manipulative to try and link them.

I'll leave you to your beliefs, and expect the same in return: my only belief is that no one knows, and anyone who claims to know, knows even less.

Peace

PS: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?

Originally Posted by LukeO

A better question would be.

Why can man grow a heart suitable for human transplant in a pig, when a god cannot heal an amputee?

are you guys related to monkeys?

[cruiser88]

Originally Posted by Gold Boy

are you guys related to monkeys?

Ha ha we are the monkeys......
























wait.....what?

[LukeO]

Originally Posted by Gold Boy

are you guys related to monkeys?

Did you NOT originate as a single cell, then develope into a multicellular organism?

[Gold Boy]

Originally Posted by cruiser88

Ha ha we are the monkeys......
























wait.....what?

do i have all the answers?

[Gold Boy]

Originally Posted by LukeO

Did you NOT originate as a single cell, then develope into a multicellular organism?

i will take that as a yes then....

[amos715]

Originally Posted by gbcruiser

Not at all, just facts. We know human civilizations have been here much longer, 10,000 was just an example. In my back yard there are arrow heads that date back 12,000 years.

It's a logical fallacy (one often employed by the faithful) to say that one error proves another. If Darwin thought one race or gender superior to another (which at that time was commonly believed, especially by religious folks) this would in no way invalidate his scientific theory of evolution.

The same argument in reverse would say that just because someone believes in God, they can't be a good math teacher. The two are completely unrelated, and it would be unfair and manipulative to try and link them.

I'll leave you to your beliefs, and expect the same in return: my only belief is that no one knows, and anyone who claims to know, knows even less.

Peace

PS: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?

wow this is going to be a long day

someone believes in God, they can't be a good math teacher

but if someone couldn't add 2+2 i would not want them to teach algebra

darwin published his decent of mankind 100 years before molecular and cellular biology even began. his scientific observation are crude even to the athiest biologist.


I'll leave you to your beliefs, and expect the same in return:

if you where going to leave me to my beliefs why did you post in this thread to start with.

my only belief is that no one knows, and anyone who claims to know, knows even less.
this smells of an absolute statement, which would suggest that you must know something?

[amos715]

Originally Posted by LukeO

A better question would be.

Why can man grow a heart suitable for human transplant in a pig, when a god cannot heal an amputee?

i have some good questions

why doesn't God keep someone from lying?
why doesn't God keep a thief from stealing?
why doesn't God keep all the Jeeps off the trails?

oh yeah

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

[amos715]

Originally Posted by LukeO

Did you NOT originate as a single cell, then develope into a multicellular organism?

well yeah - but not a monkey cell

[LukeO]

Originally Posted by amos715

i have some good questions

why doesn't God keep someone from lying?
why doesn't God keep a thief from stealing?
why doesn't God keep all the Jeeps off the trails?

oh yeah

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

Or...


Why have ants engineered pyramids longer than man?

How do bees know geometry?

[lunyou]

Originally Posted by gbcruiser

Not at all, just facts. We know human civilizations have been here much longer, 10,000 was just an example. In my back yard there are arrow heads that date back 12,000 years.

It's a logical fallacy (one often employed by the faithful) to say that one error proves another. If Darwin thought one race or gender superior to another (which at that time was commonly believed, especially by religious folks) this would in no way invalidate his scientific theory of evolution.

The same argument in reverse would say that just because someone believes in God, they can't be a good math teacher. The two are completely unrelated, and it would be unfair and manipulative to try and link them.

I'll leave you to your beliefs, and expect the same in return: my only belief is that no one knows, and anyone who claims to know, knows even less.

Peace

PS: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?

And a question for you........how do you know the arrowhead in your backyard is 12,000 years old? Carbon dating? Hardly accurate.

You pose some really good questions in your post a few posts ago. I feel that arguing with you about them won't solve anything b/c you are better with words than I am and you can make your solutions and questions seem better than I ever could.

I have always had a few theories to carbon dating dating dinos and other things way past the bible dated times.

I think I will share them with you, remember this is not my churches doctrine nor should it be taken as scripture b/c its not.

Now on to my theory(and most all of it hinges on the common Carbon Dating system being accurate): What I am talking about has no effect on the validity of the Bible nor its meaning it is just me looking deeper into the writings.

I think there have possibly been more HUMAN civilizations on this earth then just this one, huh? you might ask. I think that God created humans before Adam and Eve and then they turned their back just as we have and he destroyed them however he saw fit just like he will us when the time comes. I think that might be were some of the carbon dating "errors" could come from.

Here is another thing I think about regularly. Adam and Eve may not have been the only humans on the earth during the first part of Genesis. If you read the Bible and take it for exactly what it says then you read that they ARE the only humans on earth and that they populated the earth. The Bible refers to the world and such but to the writers the world was just the Middle East and little more, they had no way of knowing of more than surrounded them, remember this is way before they guy proved the earth was round. I see no reason why there couldn't have been other "Adam and Eves" but God just inspired the story about Adam and Eve, why? That is not clear to me.

Another tidbit, in some form in the bible it is said that.....To God 1 day is 1000 years and 1000 years is 1 day.......that means time is nothing to God. So when you read Genesis and it makes it seem that as soon as Eve was created it was shortly there after that she ate the fruit fed it to Adam and they were kicked out. Where in reality they could have lived in Eden for Millenia. This might explain why Carbon dating finds things to be older than the known world.

lunyou

[amos715]

Originally Posted by LukeO

Or...


Why have ants engineered pyramids longer than man?

How do bees know geometry?

now you've got it.
how do golden plummers know where hawaii is?
how does a seed know it's warm enough to start growing?
how is it that most meteors big enough to hurt earth get caught by Jupiter and if they miss there they are right on track to hit the moon?

they were designed that way.

[LukeO]

Originally Posted by amos715

now you've got it.
how do golden plummers know where hawaii is?
how does a seed know it's warm enough to start growing?
how is it that most meteors big enough to hurt earth get caught by Jupiter and if they miss there they are right on track to hit the moon?

they were designed that way.

Oh no.... Not the Flying Spaghetti Monster again

[amos715]

Originally Posted by LukeO

Oh no.... Not the Flying Spaghetti Monster again

that website always makes me laugh

[amos715]

Originally Posted by 97 FZJ80

I have been in Mexico on several mission trips to help the forgotten people left behind by the Mexican government? They live in communities without running water or electricity. Their homes are made from wood pallets nailed together and closed off with cardboard boxes. When we ask what they would like in their prayer request, they didn't ask for anything but salvation for their family.

It really does put a new prospective on my life.

just wanted to get this thread back on track, that new prospective, and the opportunity to reach these forgotten people is the focus of this thread.

[MTNRAT]

I you want to go on a feel good holiday, pay for it yourself!

[LukeO]

Originally Posted by MTNRAT

I you want to go on a feel good holiday, pay for it yourself!

That's direct.

[Gold Boy]

Originally Posted by MTNRAT

I you want to go on a feel good holiday, pay for it yourself!

particularly if it's a fishing trip....

[JayMilla]

Religious spammer.

Why don't you just pray for the money to go on your trip?
I'm sure Yahweh will send someone riding a dinosaur bearing enough cash fund your "mission".

Oh yeah, which passage do you quote when trying to separate hard working folks from their money?

[surfpig]

Jeez...

More assholes here than I ever expected.

[IronYuppy]

Yeesh, even I find these responses harsh, and I'm the one who killed God in the first place.

[IDave]

Originally Posted by IronYuppy

Yeesh, even I find these responses harsh, and I'm the one who killed God in the first place.

My hero!