[WristPin]

I had to read a recent **** post, now im all fired up.

I just cant stand these things.

check out all the fun recalls for a 96 ZJ (Grand Cherokee)
B0209/01/2002 Recall - A/T Secondary Shifter Detent InstallationNHTSA02V05300002/01/2002 Recall 02V053000: A/T Shifter Not Fully Engaged In ParkNHTSA01V11900004/04/2001 Recall 01V119000: Seat Belt Retractor87906/01/2000 Recall - Front Brake Rotor CorrosionNHTSA00V13600005/10/2000 Recall 00V136000: Front Disc Brake Rotor CorrosionNHTSA98V00600001/05/1998 Recall 98V006000: Temporary Spare Tire/Overheating Axle75701/01/1998 Recall - Spare TireNHTSA97V06600004/07/1997 Recall 97V066000: Wheels Cracking in Lug Nut Area71204/01/1997 Recall - Passenger Air Bag SafetyNHTSA97V03900003/10/1997 Recall 97V039000: Memory Seat Module/Wiring71803/01/1997 Recall - Power Memory Seat Wiring65902/01/1996 Campaign - Alternator PDC Fuse Link Fasteners65802/01/1996 Recall - Power Distribution Fuse LinkNHTSA95V19300010/04/1995 Recall 95V193000: Defective Alternator Fuse Receptacle

E2208/01/2006 Recall - PCM Reflash/Inspect/Replace Catalytic Converter

here is some fun ones for a 06 KJ (Liberty)
F2309/01/2006 Recall - Front Lower Ball Joint ReplacementNHTSA06V28800008/01/2006 Recall 06V288000: Front Lower Ball Joint ReplacementNHTSA06V07200003/07/2006 Recall 06V072000: Possible R/H Front Door Latch DefectF1103/01/2006 Recall - R/H Front Door Latch Plate ReinforcementE1411/01/2005 Recall - A/T Parking Pawl Cup Plug Defect

F2105/01/2006 Campaign - Body Control Module ReprogrammingE1610/01/2005 Campaign - A/T 545RFE Cooler Return Filter Replacement

of course these are just recalls. the TSB list is incredilbly long.
recalls ony affect the saftey and emssions.

a noisey steering colum or a loud klunk in the tranny wont constitute for a recall. some one has to die or be injured first.



here are some from a 99 WJ ( Grand POS)
B0605/01/2002 Recall - Intake Manifold Debris ShieldNHTSA02V10400004/01/2002 Recall 02V104000: Manifold Shield InstallationNHTSA01V11900004/04/2001 Recall 01V119000: Seat Belt RetractorNHTSA00V03400002/03/2000 Recall 00V034000: Seat Belt Defect86602/03/2000 Recall - Shoulder Belt Height Adjuster Bolt80912/01/1998 Recall - Rear Outboard Seat BeltsNHTSA98V27600011/04/1998 Recall 98V276000: Seat Belt Retractor Malfunction

C0702/01/2003 Campaign - Avoiding Unintentional Vehicle Movement87406/01/2000 Recall - Incorrect Instrument Printed Circuit Installed

[WristPin]

like i said, these are just recalls. lets see what kind of TSB's ther are (Technical Service Bulletin)

The recalls are listed in here, as campaings






08-030-06A08/25/2006 Engine Control - PCM Initialization Procedure24-006-0608/10/2006 A/C - Musty Odors When Hot/Humid21-010-0604/14/2006 A/T - ATF+4 Fluid Usage/Applications21-008-0604/08/2006 A/T - Diagnostic Tear-Down Procedure23-014-0603/08/2006 Wipers/Washers - Wipers Smear or Streak Winshield21-015-0509/01/2005 A/T - 45RFE/545RFE Delayed Engagement After Filter R&R18-029-0506/30/2005 Engine Controls - Co-Pilot Support & Correct Cable Usage02-002-04A05/25/2004 Suspension - Front Suspension Squeak/Squawk Noises23-009-0403/09/2004 Interior - Popping/Clicking Noise in Front Seat Frame24-001-0401/20/2004 A/C - HVAC Sub-Assembly Availability23-026-0310/24/2003 Body - Poor Air Deflector to Hood Fit18-031-0309/05/2003 Fuel System - Hot Start Misfire/MIL ON/DTC's/Rough Idle03-002-0308/29/2003 Drivetrain - Rear Axle Vent Cap Leakage19-003-0308/29/2003 Steering Column - Pop/Tick From Steering Wheel Area19-005-0308/29/2003 Steering - Power Steering Fluid Usage09-003-0308/01/2003 Engine - Multiple Cylinder Misfire23-015-0306/06/2003 Body - Wind Noise from Top Rear of Front Doors24-003-0305/23/2003 A/C - System Sealer Usage ProhibitionC0702/01/2003 Campaign - Avoiding Unintentional Vehicle Movement05-003-02B12/16/2002 Brakes - Pulsation During Light to Moderate Application24-009-0210/28/2002 A/C - System Leak Detection03-003-02A10/28/2002 Drivetrain - Rear Axle High Pitched Whining Sound23-020-0205/20/2002 Liftgate - Will Not Open Correctly19-005-0205/20/2002 Power Steering - Honking NoiseB0605/01/2002 Recall - Intake Manifold Debris ShieldNHTSA02V10400004/01/2002 Recall 02V104000: Manifold Shield Installation23-015-0204/01/2002 Outside Rearview Mirror - Glass Replacement08-007-0203/25/2002 Keyless Entry - Programming Procedure08-004-01B12/20/2001 Seat Heater - Inoperative08-025-0111/23/2001 Air Bag - On/Off Switches21-011-0111/02/2001 Transfer Case - Fluid Seepage19-009-0110/26/2001 Driver Airbag - Trim Cover Service05-005-01A09/14/2001 Brakes - Roughness Or Pedal Pulsation03-001-01A09/14/2001 Front Drive Axle - Whining Sound08-010-0105/25/2001 Airbag/Clock Spring - Service18-012-0105/25/2001 Generic Scan Tool - Reference Information24-007-0105/18/2001 A/C - Automatic Temperature Control Setting Changes25-004-0105/11/2001 Evaporative System - Leak & DTC DiagnosticsNHTSA01V11900004/04/2001 Recall 01V119000: Seat Belt Retractor14-002-0103/16/2001 Fuel Pump - Long Cranking Time to Start Engine18-001-0101/26/2001 Engine Performance - Enhancements08-006-00A12/29/2000 Wiring - Revised Splicing Procedure26-012-00N12/01/2000 Electrical - Wiring Updates23-008-00B11/24/2000 Child Seat - Tether Anchor Part Numbers & Labor Time23-041-0011/03/2000 Roof Rack - Optimum Positioning Instructions23-038-0010/13/2000 Seat Belt - Turning Loop Cover Replacement03-08-0009/15/2000 Differential Cover - Updated Sealer & Fluid23-30-0008/04/2000 Seatbelts - Slow To Retract03-04-0006/23/2000 Rear Propeller Shaft - Intermittent Stop-Bump14-06-0006/01/2000 Engine/Fuel Pump - Abnormally long Crank Time87406/01/2000 Recall - Incorrect Instrument Printed Circuit Installed26-06-00A06/01/2000 Electrical - Wiring Schematic/Connector Pin-Out Updates23-17-0005/05/2000 Cargo Cover - Inoperative26-05-00H05/01/2000 Electrical - Connector Pin-Out Updates08-11-0003/24/2000 CD Player - CD Compatibility08-08-0003/17/2000 Keyless Entry Transmitter - Intermittently Inoperative21-03-0003/10/2000 Transfer Case - Sector Shaft Leakage23-10-0003/03/2000 Window Regulator - Sticks at Top Of Travel26-03-00F03/01/2000 Cooling System - Radiator Fan Shroud Service Update08-03-0002/11/2000 Power Door Locks/Windows/Mirrors/RKE - Erratic Operation24-01-0002/04/2000 Driver Side Floor Duct - Inadequate Air Flow21-01-0002/04/2000 A/T - Harsh Reverse Gear Engagement18-01-0002/04/2000 EVAP System - Leak Detection Pump MisdiagnosisNHTSA00V03400002/03/2000 Recall 00V034000: Seat Belt Defect86602/03/2000 Recall - Shoulder Belt Height Adjuster Bolt26-01-00I01/01/2000 Drive Axles/Electrical - Specification/Schematic Update02-11-99A12/31/1999 Front Driveline - Vibration/Noise/Harshness02-06-99A12/17/1999 Front Hub Seals - Grease Purge Explanation24-06-99A12/17/1999 Heater-A/C Housing - Condensation Formation26-12-99L12/01/1999 Electrical - Wiring Schematics Revisions03-08-9911/26/1999 Differential - Pinion Nut/Spacer Update18-25-9911/15/1999 PCM - Erroneous Engine Misfire24-24-9911/12/1999 Heater A/C System - Defaults To Defrost Mode24-25-9911/12/1999 Plenum Seal - Cold Air Leaks To Footwell05-02-99A10/10/1999 Front Brakes - Roughness/Pedal Pulsation14-05-9910/08/1999 Fuel System Pressure Loss - Diagnostic Procedures26-10-99E10/01/1999 ABS System - 'No Response' Test Revisions23-38-9910/01/1999 Roof Joint Molding - Distorted/Protruding23-35-99A10/01/1999 Child Seat Tether Anchor - Labor/Parts Identification08-12-99A09/24/1999 Electronic Vehicle Information Center - Wrong Value03-05-9909/24/1999 Differential/Drive Axle - Diagnosis83909/01/1999 Recall - Reprogram PCM84009/01/1999 Recall - Sensor Wiring Heat Shield02-12-9908/20/1999 Front End Alignment - Adjustable/Offset Ball Joints24-16-9908/20/1999 A/C - AZC Module, Innacurate Temperature Settings21-01-99A08/13/1999 NV 247 Transfer Case - Low Speed Grinding21-01-9908/13/1999 Transfer Case - NV 247 Low Speed Grinding Noise.02-10-9907/30/1999 Tie Rod And Drag Link Sleeve - Bolt Torque Revision08-23-9907/09/1999 Radio Communication Equipment - Recommendations08-20-9906/18/1999 Sunroof - Revised `Express Open' Position18-13-9906/18/1999 PCM - Engine No Start Condition05-05-9906/18/1999 Brake Rotors - Match Mounting18-12-9906/18/1999 Leak Detection Pump - Monitor Test08-18-9906/11/1999 Radio - Clock Defeat08-16-99A06/11/1999 RKE Transmitter - Is Intermittently Inoperative21-09-9906/04/1999 Transfer Case - NV 247 Shudder at Slow Speeds03-03-9905/28/1999 Front Propeller Shaft - Popping/Snapping/Grinding23-15-9905/21/1999 Front Power Window - Tips Forward When Raised23-14-9905/21/1999 Door Weather Seal - Does Not Fit Properly08-14-9905/21/1999 Antitheft System - Vehicle Stall/No Start18-09-9905/21/1999 DTC's - Caused By Open Fuses24-08-9905/14/1999 Heater Blower - Whistle Noise08-07-9905/12/1999 Power Distribution Center - Service23-17-9905/12/1999 Roof Rack Cross Bar - Shipping Location24-07-9904/30/1999 Heater, A/C - Reduced Airflow From Center Outlets21-08-9904/30/1999 A/T - Buzz/Whining in Reverse When Cold80704/01/1999 Recall - VECI Replacement05-01-9902/26/1999 Rear Brakes - Squeal on Light Application08-04-9902/26/1999 Universal Garage Door Opener - Reduced Range14-01-9902/19/1999 Fuel Filler Tube - Slow Fuel Fill21-02-9902/12/1999 A/T - Slow Neutral To Drive Engagement24-02-9901/29/1999 A/C Compressor - Service Precautions24-01-9901/29/1999 A/C - Refrigerant Charge Specification Change08-17-98C12/30/1998 Air Bag System - ON-OFF Switch Availibility18-35-9812/18/1998 PCM - False Mil ON, DTC P0443 Set18-36-9812/18/1998 PCM - Start and Stall, Idle Undershoot/Lost IAC Steps18-37-9812/18/1998 PCM - Addition of A Clear Flood Feature18-40-9812/18/1998 PCM - High Idle RPM On Deceleration18-41-9812/18/1998 PCM - Idle RPM Undershoot/Overshoot18-43-9812/18/1998 PCM - Engine Sag When A/C Compressor Cycles18-44-9812/18/1998 PCM - Cold Engine Start/Partial Cool Down Sag18-45-9812/18/1998 PCM - Engine Vibration At Idle/Drone Noise18-46-9812/18/1998 Engine Idle Undershoot/Driveway Die Out23-61-9812/18/1998 Liftgate Flipper Glass - Water Leak08-44-9812/11/1998 Memory Power Seat - Travel Range21-11-9812/11/1998 Diagnostic Tool - Transmission Simulator14-07-9812/11/1998 Fuel Filler Cap - Difficult To Remove23-60-9812/11/1998 Sunroof Sunshade - Fabric Delamination21-14-9812/04/1998 A/T - 45RFE Quick Learn Clutch Volume Procedures21-16-9812/04/1998 A/T - (42RE) Revised Front Band Adjustment26-12-98A12/01/1998 Antitheft/Electrical/Lighting - Manual Revisions80912/01/1998 Recall - Rear Outboard Seat BeltsNHTSA98V27600011/04/1998 Recall 98V276000: Seat Belt Retractor Malfunction08-47-9810/30/1998 RKE/PDL or Power Windows - Erratic Operation25-02-9810/23/1998 I/M Testing - OBDII CARB Readiness Monitor Information26-10-9810/01/1998 Suspension - Torque Specifications Revisions08-36-9807/24/1998 Auto Computers - Y2K Effects

[WristPin]

those are just for the 99 WJ.


what a peice of shit.

jeeps are the worst peices of shit on the planet. how do the engineers sleep at night?

you could not pay me to own one.

[D'Animal]

Wow

Jeep technicians must love them. Job security.

[White Shark]

Americans build disposable vehicles. You are supposed to do your patriotic duty to keep the system intact! How else are they support the 5 Manager to 1 Employee ratio? Duh....

[cody c]

the idea is to make more money after they sell the vehicle, and to build disposable vehicles that need to have a ton of maintenance after warranty, and then die soon after. That way you got to by another one so they can make the money again.
That is how the automakers are making there money in N.A. and it really isnt about the best product or being enviromentally considerate, just about $$$. Although it does help to have an enviromentaly friendly or reliable image, evidence is to the contrary.

[WristPin]

Originally Posted by cody c

the idea is to make more money after they sell the vehicle, and to build disposable vehicles that need to have a ton of maintenance after warranty, and then die soon after. That way you got to by another one so they can make the money again.
That is how the automakers are making there money in N.A. and it really isnt about the best product or being enviromentally considerate, just about $$$. Although it does help to have an enviromentaly friendly or reliable image, evidence is to the contrary.

right. its all about planned obsolesence.

it does work for them.
but look at toyota. been building high quality reliable vehicles desinged to last forever. they have done this for 50 years or more.

now toyota is one of the top manufactures. just like D'Animal said a bout kia/hyundai.
they make quality products that live for a along time. people dont buy another one, cause thier last one broke down, they buy another one cause they couldnt kill it.

and for the record, kia/hyundai is not as high quality as toyota.

[IronYuppy]

Originally Posted by cody c

the idea is to make more money after they sell the vehicle, and to build disposable vehicles that need to have a ton of maintenance after warranty, and then die soon after. That way you got to by another one so they can make the money again.
That is how the automakers are making there money in N.A. and it really isnt about the best product or being enviromentally considerate, just about $$$. Although it does help to have an enviromentaly friendly or reliable image, evidence is to the contrary.

It's weird, hey?

With the exception of a few European cars and one YJ that fell into my lap, I've owned Japanese cars for about 20 years. And by and large I've driven them into the ground. The shortest term I've owned a Toyota was 5 years, and when I bought it it was already ten years old. They guy I sold it to is still driving it, a decade later.

I had a Celica I bought at a repo sale for three figures, and figured I'd get a couple of months out of it. It had 400,000kms on it, and I didn't change the oil for over a year. It never failed me.

If North American cars lasted as long as the Asian ones, the industry would implote in a matter of weeks.

[gladly]

I have a lot of confidence in the koreans catching up, I bought a POS pontiac lemans, (Daewoo) for $500 when my golf died a week before moving halfway across the country, figured it would probably get me where I was going, ended up driving it there, parked it for a year, then put in a new battery, drove it the rest of the way across canada, daily driver for another three years.
so now I have purchased a new kia, and no complaints so far, it is everything I expect from a basic japanese compact vehicle, with a lower price.

[WristPin]

the kias and hyundais have timing belt, cam sensor and crank sensor problems in the newer models.

but are good cars other wise.

[IronYuppy]

Originally Posted by WristPin

the kias and hyundais have timing belt, cam sensor and crank sensor problems in the newer models.

but are good cars other wise.

I know the early Kias had some safety issues; a couple of them didn't even pass the Canadian safety testing.

I imagine they've improved since then, though. That's what Asian manufacturers do; they examine their mistakes and improve upon them instead of ignoring them or just adding more cup holders and built-in child seats so nobody notices plastic gears in the trannies, and engines that last for 90K miles.