Tools for birff job

[Bluetribal]

So I have the funds to finally do my birffs and all 4 rotors and I am collecting the tools I will need for the job.

But I have a couple quick questions.
-For the snap ring pliers do I need the internal or external pliers?
-What is the alternate socket size for the Slee 54mm socket?
-Did any of you bother with the fish scale to measure the resistance and can I borrow yours?

I think that's it for now.

[cruiserruf]

SOR have a 54 mm socket for about $17.

[Brentbba]

If you didn't live so damn far away, I'd loan you my 54mm socket and snap ring pliers!

[sdnative]

You can pick up a 2 1/8" socket at sears. It is pretty darn close to 54mm. I have used mine a few times and it works great.

[Bluetribal]

That's what I was looking for SD Native, thanks.
*edit* Well so much for that, the 2 1/8 socket is $32.99 at Sears. Guess I will hit of SOR


So what's the word on the snap ring pliers, do I need the internal or external?

[Bluetribal]

Originally Posted by cruiserruf

SOR have a 54 mm socket for about $17.

So it's the 12B that I need correct.
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[Dan2722]

I have the socket, snap ring pliers, and fish scale you can borrow. I PM'd you back and can swing by to help out for some Tecate

[Bluetribal]

I plan to buy the socket because I should have that anyway but I will take you up on the pliers and fish scale. I am also scanning CL for a torque wrench but there is one for $80 on the Sears site that I will go with unless I find a better used one on CL. I might as well add these tools to my collection.

[cruiserruf]

yes it's the 12b. i'd lend you mine but i might need it at CALICO. if you were to buy a torque wrench you might as well buy new. i think you have to maintain them things.

[teejnut]

The fishscale method didn't work too well for me, noticed it loosened up after some driving. Did the "landtank" method and seems to work better, for me at least. I check the front wheel play every now and then and its been holding up fine.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-te...d-methods.html

[sdnative]

Originally Posted by Bluetribal

the 2 1/8 socket is $32.99 at Sears

I don't recall paying that much. I think it was around $20. Maybe you priced the high end one.

Originally Posted by teejnut

The fishscale method didn't work too well for me

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Originally Posted by cruiserruf

if you were to buy a torque wrench you might as well buy new. i think you have to maintain them things.

Make sure if you get the dial type that you set it back to zero after you're done. Don't store it preset!

[Bluetribal]

Yeah, I hear ya on the torque wrench, but sometimes you can score on CL

Thanks for link teejnut. So you used LT's giggle the washer technique rather than the 43 spins then tighten to 48 etc... technique.

[teejnut]

Originally Posted by Bluetribal

Thanks for link teejnut. So you used LT's giggle the washer technique rather than the 43 spins then tighten to 48 etc... technique.

Yep did this... Tighten the inner nut to 45 lbs/ft, rotate, back off and repeat, then just until you feel resistance. Install the lock washer, then torque the outer nut to 45 lbs/ft.

Also, Kurt @ Cruiser Outfitters has the socket for $16.50. SOR charges a lot for "freight and handling." I always go there and pick it up whenever I order anything from them. And isn't the Sears 2 1/8" socket 3/4" drive? Just something to keep in mind if you go that route.

[e9999]

IIRC it is an open = loosen type of pliers, but as you can imagine, not the little pin circlip type, they should be the strong flat ended type. This is some serious clip.

I got my 54 off the snap on truck for less than $20. Good to have on the trail I think.

You can get good torque wrenches (CDI, Snap on etc) off eBay for good $ but of course you should do a calibration (no big deal).

[Bluetribal]

Hay Dan, do you have a seal puller and grease gun to go with those snap ring pliers? I went ahead and ordered the hub socket from Curt at C.O.

Cruiser Dan has been on vacation and will be back tomorrow, so I hope to not be too far back on his message list and I get a call back tomorrow to make my order.

[Dan2722]

Yep, I have both you can use. I will try and get everything together in the next day or two for you. Do you have the bulk pack of paper towels? I think I went through 5 or 6 rolls when I did mine. Definetely a messy job.

[Bluetribal]

I need to check the adds to see if there are any coupons on those if I am going to need 6 freakin' rolls...

[Brentbba]

Lots of brake cleaner too if you don't have a parts washer!!!

[619TOY]

Not that it's cheap, but I would highly recommend the industrial size box of disposable gloves. They will save you immeasurable time and aggravation as you move from grease to FSM, to computer, to lunch, to...

I probably went through close to a 100 size box (but I am a bit of a )

[Bluetribal]

Originally Posted by Brentbba

Lots of brake cleaner too if you don't have a parts washer!!!

I tried to borrow a part washer from a buddy but he returned to a buddy he borrowed it from. But he told me that I can find a tub with a screen that fits in it for taking the parts out of the cleaner with ease. He said it's usually next to the gallon jugs of part cleaner.

[Brentbba]

Originally Posted by 619TOY

Not that it's cheap, but I would highly recommend the industrial size box of disposable gloves. They will save you immeasurable time and aggravation as you move from grease to FSM, to computer, to lunch, to...

I probably went through close to a 100 size box (but I am a bit of a )

Box of 100 at Harbor Freight will run you about $8 bucks. Worthy investment. You'll use most of them!

[teejnut]

Costco also sells nitrile gloves. Come in 2 boxes of 150 for $25. Awhile ago they had a coupon for them in their coupon booklet thingy. Costco - Kirkland Signature? Nitrile Exam Gloves

[Brentbba]

Originally Posted by teejnut

Costco also sells nitrile gloves. Come in 2 boxes of 150 for $25. Awhile ago they had a coupon for them in their coupon booklet thingy. Costco - Kirkland Signature? Nitrile Exam Gloves

Exam? TMI dude, TMI!

[teejnut]

Originally Posted by Brentbba

Exam? TMI dude, TMI!

i like to double-glove just in case of breakage

[Bluetribal]

Oh, I will have plenty of gloves.

[mkfour]

You're going to need an assortment of brass drifts, a few medium/large zip ties, a (30x2" ?) PVC pipe, a seal puller/installer, and a piece of 6x8x2" piece of wood.

I'd also order a few extra wheel bearing seals, a few drive flange bolts, axle clips and the Marlin HD inner seal.

[Bluetribal]

Well, I got my call back from Dan and placed my order. He didn't have an opinion on the Marlin seals since he had never installed them let alone seen them so I decided the OEM ones have worked for 157K miles they should work for another 150K.

So now what are the large zip ties PVC and wood for?
I wasn't really posting this thread to put together the full list of tools, because I thought I had it, but rather to ask about a few parts. But I am glad you Birff Vets are chiming in with things that helped you out.

[Brentbba]

To put on and take off the birf from the shaft - layman terms. Use the large PVC to separate the two - hard trust on the ground with the shaft inside the PVC. There's a pesky ring to replace and a zip tie helps hold the new one in place.

Best lousy description I can give you.

[hntashdjian]

Originally Posted by Brentbba

To put on and take off the birf from the shaft - layman terms. Use the large PVC to separate the two - hard trust on the ground with the shaft inside the PVC. There's a pesky ring to replace and a zip tie helps hold the new one in place.

Best lousy description I can give you.

Agreed,

The fastest way to seperate the birfs from the shaft. The longer side came off with 1 drop, but the smaller one took 3-4 tries for me.

Lowes hardware sells the pipes in smaller incriments, i think either 4-6 ft.

Although I replaced both my rings, the old ones were in perfect shape. Good trail spares.

[Bluetribal]

What diameter of PVC?