got fuel?

SOCALFJ · 10-14-06, 01:57 PM

Like carrying a spare tank

smittycrusher · 10-14-06, 02:32 PM

daddy like.....I still want an aux tank though...maybe one day there will be more options as that is a lot of f'in weight up top. I think you are quickly becoming expedition ready though.

Smit

e9999 · 10-14-06, 02:45 PM

nice!

where 'd you get the cans?
what's the latest on using non ARB compliant cans in the PRK?

Ian Rogers · 10-14-06, 03:14 PM

you can use said can's but you can not sell them.... you can buy them out of state but have to drive them in, no one can ship them to you.

clownmidget · 10-14-06, 03:25 PM

Hmmm. 1 gal gasoline ~ 6.25 lbs. x 5 gallon capacity x 7 cans = 218.75 lbs not including the weight of each can. Plus what you add to the rack in terms of gear. I don't doubt that it'd be easy to top 1K lbs up there. Oh well, not trying to wet blanket anyone, just something to consider while your driving. It looks cool though.

SOCALFJ · 10-14-06, 03:28 PM

Yeah Smit, i still want a aux tank too. So i'll have plenty of fuel.

I bought my NATO cans from a army surplus store here locally. As long as they aren't NEW you can buy them here in CA. IF they are BRAND NEW.. you'll have to have them shipped to a buddy out of state and then back. OR... somehow convince them you aren't using it for fuel, but rather for appearance of a old military rig or something.

The ones i picked up have never even been used and i can drink out of them. Got them at American Army Surplus in Placentia, CA.. they have pallets of very nice ones. I paid $14 a can (great price considering new are $45)

You can also, buy them over the interenet at Coleman Surplus for about the same price, but shipping costs a fortune. They wanted $77 bucks to ship 7 to me from back east.

SOCALFJ · 10-14-06, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clownmidget

Hmmm. 1 gal gasoline ~ 6.25 lbs. x 5 gallon capacity x 7 cans = 218.75 lbs not including the weight of each can. Plus what you add to the rack in terms of gear. I don't doubt that it'd be easy to top 1K lbs up there. Oh well, not trying to wet blanket anyone, just something to consider while your driving. It looks cool though.

No way man, i hear you loud and clear.. i broke out the calculator before i went to pick them up.. i was thinking the same thing... NO FAST LANE CHANGES!!!! lol

I'll have 2 ice chests up there for the death valley trip.. we'll see.. some definate testing of 'top heavy' situations in the next two weeks for sure. The spares are going back down on the dual tire carrier soon anways.

If i ever take it rockcrawling, or any serious trails.. it will be locally anyways, so i wont have them up there.. this is primarily for long hauls.

Slomo · 10-14-06, 04:29 PM

Looking good Dave. You are getting quite an expedition rig set up. You planning on touring third world countrys too?

e9999 · 10-14-06, 05:16 PM

how heavy is a steel can like this, empty?

rfjtoy · 10-14-06, 09:01 PM

Address for the Surplus in Placentia? Please, I need 4 cans.

SOCALFJ · 10-14-06, 10:07 PM

Mo, im running some long distance stuff... one of the runs out in death valley is like 160 miles... i want to carry as much fuel as i can. Thats the whole point of tha track config.

The cans weigh in at maybe 5lbs each? They're light to me.

Here's the addy RFJTOY

American Army Surplus

2584 Fender Ave # D
Fullerton, CA 92831
(714) 871-3210

rfjtoy · 10-15-06, 05:51 PM

Thanks for info.

NorCalDoug · 10-15-06, 06:10 PM

nice.

what's the plan -- pull a can off when you need or run a long siphon?

Slomo · 10-15-06, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOCALFJ

Mo, im running some long distance stuff... one of the runs out in death valley is like 160 miles... i want to carry as much fuel as i can. Thats the whole point of tha track config.

I am all for having more fuel than anticipated because you never know. I was just giving you some isht. I do like the way your rig is turning out, form and function.

Boston Mangler · 10-15-06, 10:00 PM

I carry 69 Gallons!

SOCALFJ · 10-16-06, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorCalDoug

nice.

what's the plan -- pull a can off when you need or run a long siphon?

Probably just pull all of them down when my fuel light comes on and fill er up. I dont wanna have to climb up there twice/three times lol

Brentbba · 10-16-06, 10:45 AM

Dave - super sweet! I had an out of state mud buddy purchase a couple of the new non-carb compliant cans and then 'get' them to me.

Dave, look at the super siphon that Expedition Exchange in Torrance carries. That and the extension they carry will allow you to avoid taking those down. Alvaro and others have them and I've seen them used. Nice little hose to have along.

SOCALFJ · 10-16-06, 11:06 AM

I was on their site Friday and talked to a salesman there, ill have to check out the siphon.

Brentbba · 10-16-06, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOCALFJ

I was on their site Friday and talked to a salesman there, ill have to check out the siphon.

Very inexpensive. They wouldn't sell me the non-carb spout in CA. They had been backordered when 'my friend' ordered the gas cans. I just ordered the spout w/o problem from some place in TX. I did go ahead and get the siphon. It does work as advertised.

SOCALFJ · 10-16-06, 12:23 PM

That's dumb they won't sell the spout. Because the law only applies for cans that are new.... so if i have OLD cans and my spout goes bad , i cant buy a spout for them? I already own the cans..! dumb CA. Where'd you order the spout? link?

Brentbba · 10-16-06, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOCALFJ

That's dumb they won't sell the spout. Because the law only applies for cans that are new.... so if i have OLD cans and my spout goes bad , i cant buy a spout for them? I already own the cans..! dumb CA. Where'd you order the spout? link?

Yep, I thought it was kind of stupid as well. I told them I already owned the cans and just needed to 'replace' the spout and they wouldn't sell me one. Their loss on that one.

I had owned one Shitz carb compliant can and that damn lid and spout leaked like a broken dam. So much for cleaner air with gas leaking all over just from the bouncing offroad and while pouring.

Don't know if the Wedco carb compliant is any better, but I got my hands on a couple of Wedco noncarb cans. Nothing but good said about those.

SOCALFJ · 10-16-06, 02:07 PM

Where'd you get the spout?? got a link?

AMMO · 10-16-06, 02:17 PM

This is where I got mine back in the day...

http://www.mad4wd.com/tek9.asp?pg=pr...cific=jpjnkoi8

Brentbba · 10-16-06, 02:55 PM

Midway Auto. http://midwayautosupply.com/p-32548-...red-80792.aspx

They do make the statement about not being able to ship the metal cans into the Republic of Kalifornia and other places, but make no such statement about the spouts. Expedition Exchange does make the statement about the spouts as well as the cans. Go figure.

e9999 · 10-19-06, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOCALFJ

Like carrying a spare tank

is that the photo or my eyes, or is the rack front (cantilevered) part actually bending down? full cans?

e9999 · 10-19-06, 01:44 PM

also wondering, if you lay a can like that on its long side (as in the pic) and want to be able to open it while still laying down, how much of the capacity do you lose? are they more like 4 gallons then?

Slomo · 10-19-06, 01:44 PM

Good eye, I wonder if not the gas cans it might be the tightness of the tree limb cables going to the ARB?

Brentbba · 10-19-06, 02:18 PM

IIRC, Alvaro only fills his to about 4 gallons so he can leave them on their side and be able to use the super shiphon w/o spilling gas all over the roof!

Best way would be to just fill the damn thing on it's side Eric. That way you don't over fill. hehehe

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clownmidget IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ithaca, New York Posts: 1,813	Hmmm. 1 gal gasoline ~ 6.25 lbs. x 5 gallon capacity x 7 cans = 218.75 lbs not including the weight of each can. Plus what you add to the rack in terms of gear. I don't doubt that it'd be easy to top 1K lbs up there. Oh well, not trying to wet blanket anyone, just something to consider while your driving. It looks cool though. __________________ Mike R. hmmm....nuthin' Answer a fool according to his own folly.


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10-14-06, 03:28 PM	#6
SOCALFJ "The Adventure Duo" Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,388	Yeah Smit, i still want a aux tank too. So i'll have plenty of fuel. I bought my NATO cans from a army surplus store here locally. As long as they aren't NEW you can buy them here in CA. IF they are BRAND NEW.. you'll have to have them shipped to a buddy out of state and then back. OR... somehow convince them you aren't using it for fuel, but rather for appearance of a old military rig or something. The ones i picked up have never even been used and i can drink out of them. Got them at American Army Surplus in Placentia, CA.. they have pallets of very nice ones. I paid $14 a can (great price considering new are $45) You can also, buy them over the interenet at Coleman Surplus for about the same price, but shipping costs a fortune. They wanted $77 bucks to ship 7 to me from back east. __________________ www.adventureduo.com [KI6LBB] 2004 Jeep Wrangler TJ X Edition 2003 Sportsmobile 4x4 EB50

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SOCALFJ "The Adventure Duo" Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,388	Mo, im running some long distance stuff... one of the runs out in death valley is like 160 miles... i want to carry as much fuel as i can. Thats the whole point of tha track config. The cans weigh in at maybe 5lbs each? They're light to me. Here's the addy RFJTOY American Army Surplus 2584 Fender Ave # D Fullerton, CA 92831 (714) 871-3210 __________________ www.adventureduo.com [KI6LBB] 2004 Jeep Wrangler TJ X Edition 2003 Sportsmobile 4x4 EB50

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Brentbba On the Golf Course! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA TLCA# 13420 Posts: 4,967	Dave - super sweet! I had an out of state mud buddy purchase a couple of the new non-carb compliant cans and then 'get' them to me. Dave, look at the super siphon that Expedition Exchange in Torrance carries. That and the extension they carry will allow you to avoid taking those down. Alvaro and others have them and I've seen them used. Nice little hose to have along. __________________ Brent '94 White LC; Kaymar Rear Bumper w/tire carrier; Hanna Sliders; ARB winch ready Front Bumper; Slee Transfer Case Skid Plate; Revo 285's, OME 850/863 Heavy 2" lift, INTI Rack; Warn M12000 Winch, Snorkel; Sputnik! TLCA Member #13420; KI6SGO

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10-16-06, 12:23 PM	#20
SOCALFJ "The Adventure Duo" Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,388	That's dumb they won't sell the spout. Because the law only applies for cans that are new.... so if i have OLD cans and my spout goes bad , i cant buy a spout for them? I already own the cans..! dumb CA. Where'd you order the spout? link? __________________ www.adventureduo.com [KI6LBB] 2004 Jeep Wrangler TJ X Edition 2003 Sportsmobile 4x4 EB50

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Brentbba On the Golf Course! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA TLCA# 13420 Posts: 4,967	Midway Auto. http://midwayautosupply.com/p-32548-...red-80792.aspx They do make the statement about not being able to ship the metal cans into the Republic of Kalifornia and other places, but make no such statement about the spouts. Expedition Exchange does make the statement about the spouts as well as the cans. Go figure. __________________ Brent '94 White LC; Kaymar Rear Bumper w/tire carrier; Hanna Sliders; ARB winch ready Front Bumper; Slee Transfer Case Skid Plate; Revo 285's, OME 850/863 Heavy 2" lift, INTI Rack; Warn M12000 Winch, Snorkel; Sputnik! TLCA Member #13420; KI6SGO Last edited by Brentbba; 10-16-06 at 03:11 PM.

10-19-06, 01:44 PM	#26
e9999 You want to do what...? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: PRK Posts: 10,346	also wondering, if you lay a can like that on its long side (as in the pic) and want to be able to open it while still laying down, how much of the capacity do you lose? are they more like 4 gallons then? __________________ '97: 88K, 3xlock, Custom HD roo bar for sale, 285 MT/Rs on steelies, Hanna sliders, 851+1.5"/863/N73/N74E/SD24, ARB bull with M12, Kaymar with duals, Kaymar rack, Slee TC skid, 2m/440, more stuff, loose nut behind the wheel!) '03: 99K, the better half's... DD Accord souped up DR650

10-19-06, 02:18 PM	#28
Brentbba On the Golf Course! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA TLCA# 13420 Posts: 4,967	IIRC, Alvaro only fills his to about 4 gallons so he can leave them on their side and be able to use the super shiphon w/o spilling gas all over the roof! Best way would be to just fill the damn thing on it's side Eric. That way you don't over fill. hehehe __________________ Brent '94 White LC; Kaymar Rear Bumper w/tire carrier; Hanna Sliders; ARB winch ready Front Bumper; Slee Transfer Case Skid Plate; Revo 285's, OME 850/863 Heavy 2" lift, INTI Rack; Warn M12000 Winch, Snorkel; Sputnik! TLCA Member #13420; KI6SGO