Mounting my winch - curious

JimmieT · 06-26-08, 07:47 PM

Just curious. I've searched the FAQ's and a bunch of threads and can't find a suitable answer. Maybe one of you guys knows.

I've seen winches mounted "feet down", that is, bolted underneath the mounting plate ... and also "feet vertical" where the winch is mounted to the vertical plate or the vertical plane of the bumper.

It seems to me ...

... that "feet vertical" would be the strongest mount. Because the housings, are cast metal, the winching load would be against the winch mounting plate, not the winch housing. In the "feet down" scenario, the winching load is trying to pull the winch housing free of the mounting bolts.

WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?

D'Animal · 06-26-08, 11:31 PM

I have all of mine in the feet vetical position. They are bolted to heavey rigs and when a heavy rig gets stuck you want the winch bolted properly.

I also have never seen a caasting break in the feet vertical position. I have only seen 4 or 5 in the feet down position brake the casting.

Hottrod81 · 06-27-08, 05:02 PM

I have mine in the feet down position and have never had a problem. I winched a lifted quad cab 2007 Chevy in the snow last winter and held up fine.

JimmieT · 06-27-08, 09:48 PM

Looks we have a tie! Anybody care to be the tie-breaker?

Actually, I had a "brainstorm" at work and decided to call Warn. The Warn guy recommends mounting the M12000 in the "feet vertical" position. He said the casting would "probably" hold at max load if "feet down", but said the unit was designed for "feet vertical", he also said that a "shock load" in the "feet down" position puts HUGE stresses on the casting. Again, we were talking about the M12000. I don't know if that is true for other Warn models, or not.

Thanks for the responses!

megolfer · 06-28-08, 02:57 PM

mine is bolt down

D'Animal · 06-28-08, 09:47 PM

Dragging someone though snow is a whole lot different than pulling someone out of mud when it is over thier axles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hottrod81

I have mine in the feet down position and have never had a problem. I winched a lifted quad cab 2007 Chevy in the snow last winter and held up fine.

JimmieT · 06-29-08, 11:01 AM

I made some "Winch Load" cards for everyone, that I'm gonna pass out at Tuesday's meeting. The "quick reference" cards give you idea of what kind of of weight (load) you are attempting to winch, in different circumstances.

JimmieT · 07-01-08, 03:27 PM

Ok, so I've gone round and round and decided to also build a new bumper to get this winch mounted. I may also attempt the air storage/bumper idea. I "borrowed" some ideas from various posts here on Mud.

The bumper will be ST 2"x5"x1/4" w/ 1/4"thk end plates.
The Shackle mounts will be FB 2"x2"x1-1/4"thk.
The tube bar will be 1-1/4".
The push bars will FB 1-1/4"thk. I can bolt the winch to this flatbar, in the "feet vertical" position.

Here's a sketch:

D'Animal · 07-01-08, 04:10 PM

Nice!

Are you going to sue the bumper that came with it or do you still maybe want to sell it?

JimmieT · 07-01-08, 04:15 PM

Sell! If you want it, I'll throw it in the truck and take it to the meeting tonight. Call me if so. 661-203-4998

JimmieT · 07-20-08, 07:34 PM

The final product is a little different than the original design ... but fully functional!

Sorry I didn't get any pics of the actual fab process.

D'Animal · 07-20-08, 11:25 PM

Looks Great!

Talon84x4 · 07-21-08, 10:45 AM

Nice job

JimmieT · 07-21-08, 12:44 PM

Thanks guys, glad it meets your approval.

The bumper is ST (square tube) 2x5 x 1/4.
The upper winch mounts are ST2x2 x 1/4.
The recovery points are FB (flatbar) 1-1/4 x 2.
The plate is 3/'16thk (on the ends of the bumper ... around the cable opening ... and at the upper winch mounts.
All the bolt holes, thru the bumper, have a 3/8" thru-pipe welded in ... so the bumper is air-tight ... it can be used as an air tank.
The bumper mounting bolts are Grade 8, cad plated, and the winch mounting bolts are Gr5 (I couldn't find the correct length, so I settled ... just to get the winch mounted).

After fab was completed, I sand-blasted it ($99 tank from Harbor Freight) ... rattle canned grey primer, and then 5 coats of rattle can hammered black, sanded between coats. I s**k at painting, but it came out OK.

Everything was MIG'd except the recovery points, which were TIG'd.

H2OBOSS · 07-21-08, 03:43 PM

That's purrty

nice job.

D'Animal · 07-21-08, 06:30 PM

Is TIG stronger then MIG?

megolfer · 07-21-08, 07:35 PM

I believe that tig is stronger. I know race cages and most comp buggies are tig

D'Animal · 07-21-08, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megolfer

I believe that tig is stronger. I know race cages and most comp buggies are tig

But they are generally made out of Chrome Molly. From what I understand, you kinda have to Tig Chrome molley.

Toyrunner87 · 07-22-08, 12:13 AM

Very clean looking front end there Jimmy.

greenhorn311 · 07-22-08, 07:39 AM

Tig is much stronger.... Well it's only as strong as the welders skills

D'Animal · 07-22-08, 07:41 AM

Coming from a Welder, you aught to know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenhorn311

Tig is much stronger.... Well it's only as strong as the welders skills

JimmieT · 07-22-08, 04:35 PM

Yeh, TIG is stronger!

TIG stands for :"TOUGH" INERT GAS welding
MIG stands for: "MILD" INERT GAS welding

JUST KIDDING !!!!! I better not not any serious responses on this!

Actually,
TIG stands for: "The inspector General", and we all know how tough he is! And MIG stands for : "MIND IN GUTTER" .... or is it "Made In Germany"?

D'Animal · 07-22-08, 10:39 PM

Well Crap

Now we are gonna start seeing things MIC welded.

MIC = Made in China

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmieT

Yeh, TIG is stronger!

TIG stands for :"TOUGH" INERT GAS welding
MIG stands for: "MILD" INERT GAS welding

JUST KIDDING !!!!! I better not not any serious responses on this!

Actually,
TIG stands for: "The inspector General", and we all know how tough he is! And MIG stands for : "MIND IN GUTTER" .... or is it "Made In Germany"?

hudyhue · 08-14-08, 11:04 PM

looking good jimmie

H2OBOSS · 08-15-08, 11:52 AM

HUDY IS ALIVE

haven't heard from you in a while.

D'Animal · 08-16-08, 02:49 AM

X - 2

Quote:

Originally Posted by H2OBOSS

HUDY IS ALIVE

haven't heard from you in a while.

JimmieT · 08-16-08, 10:31 AM

Hudy WHO?

Ohhhhhh ... hudyhue!

Been so long ... I can't hardly remember when ...

hudyhue · 08-19-08, 08:19 PM

yea yea i 've had a tough patch of life with well damn just everything but i am and will be o'tay!!!!

06-26-08, 07:47 PM	#1
JimmieT IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hanford, CA, USA !!! Posts: 143	Mounting my winch - curious Just curious. I've searched the FAQ's and a bunch of threads and can't find a suitable answer. Maybe one of you guys knows. I've seen winches mounted "feet down", that is, bolted underneath the mounting plate ... and also "feet vertical" where the winch is mounted to the vertical plate or the vertical plane of the bumper. It seems to me ... ... that "feet vertical" would be the strongest mount. Because the housings, are cast metal, the winching load would be against the winch mounting plate, not the winch housing. In the "feet down" scenario, the winching load is trying to pull the winch housing free of the mounting bolts. WHAT IS YOUR OPINION? Attached Images __________________ Big Jim's Dirty Kidz 1970 FJ40 ... mostly stock ... not too fast ... with a little bit of rust ... please send money! "Things are more like they are now ... then they ever were before!" Dwight D. Eisenhower www.centralvalleycrawlers.org

06-26-08, 11:31 PM	#2
D'Animal Beagles Rule! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central California TLCA# 17104 Posts: 10,078	I have all of mine in the feet vetical position. They are bolted to heavey rigs and when a heavy rig gets stuck you want the winch bolted properly. I also have never seen a caasting break in the feet vertical position. I have only seen 4 or 5 in the feet down position brake the casting. __________________ Cruiser Dan at American Toyota Phone is 1-800-432-6668 ext. 8 (I am not cruiser Dan)

06-27-08, 09:48 PM	#4
JimmieT IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hanford, CA, USA !!! Posts: 143	Looks we have a tie! Anybody care to be the tie-breaker? Actually, I had a "brainstorm" at work and decided to call Warn. The Warn guy recommends mounting the M12000 in the "feet vertical" position. He said the casting would "probably" hold at max load if "feet down", but said the unit was designed for "feet vertical", he also said that a "shock load" in the "feet down" position puts HUGE stresses on the casting. Again, we were talking about the M12000. I don't know if that is true for other Warn models, or not. Thanks for the responses! __________________ Big Jim's Dirty Kidz 1970 FJ40 ... mostly stock ... not too fast ... with a little bit of rust ... please send money! "Things are more like they are now ... then they ever were before!" Dwight D. Eisenhower www.centralvalleycrawlers.org

06-28-08, 02:57 PM	#5
megolfer IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 827	mine is bolt down __________________ www.tlca.org President-Central Valley Crawlers www.centralvalleycrawlers.org www.marlincrawler.com

06-29-08, 11:01 AM	#7
JimmieT IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hanford, CA, USA !!! Posts: 143	I made some "Winch Load" cards for everyone, that I'm gonna pass out at Tuesday's meeting. The "quick reference" cards give you idea of what kind of of weight (load) you are attempting to winch, in different circumstances. __________________ Big Jim's Dirty Kidz 1970 FJ40 ... mostly stock ... not too fast ... with a little bit of rust ... please send money! "Things are more like they are now ... then they ever were before!" Dwight D. Eisenhower www.centralvalleycrawlers.org


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07-01-08, 03:27 PM	#8
JimmieT IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hanford, CA, USA !!! Posts: 143	New bumper for winch Ok, so I've gone round and round and decided to also build a new bumper to get this winch mounted. I may also attempt the air storage/bumper idea. I "borrowed" some ideas from various posts here on Mud. The bumper will be ST 2"x5"x1/4" w/ 1/4"thk end plates. The Shackle mounts will be FB 2"x2"x1-1/4"thk. The tube bar will be 1-1/4". The push bars will FB 1-1/4"thk. I can bolt the winch to this flatbar, in the "feet vertical" position. Here's a sketch: Attached Images __________________ Big Jim's Dirty Kidz 1970 FJ40 ... mostly stock ... not too fast ... with a little bit of rust ... please send money! "Things are more like they are now ... then they ever were before!" Dwight D. Eisenhower www.centralvalleycrawlers.org

07-01-08, 04:10 PM	#9
D'Animal Beagles Rule! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central California TLCA# 17104 Posts: 10,078	Nice! Are you going to sue the bumper that came with it or do you still maybe want to sell it? __________________ Cruiser Dan at American Toyota Phone is 1-800-432-6668 ext. 8 (I am not cruiser Dan)

07-01-08, 04:15 PM	#10
JimmieT IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hanford, CA, USA !!! Posts: 143	Sell! If you want it, I'll throw it in the truck and take it to the meeting tonight. Call me if so. 661-203-4998 __________________ Big Jim's Dirty Kidz 1970 FJ40 ... mostly stock ... not too fast ... with a little bit of rust ... please send money! "Things are more like they are now ... then they ever were before!" Dwight D. Eisenhower www.centralvalleycrawlers.org

07-20-08, 07:34 PM	#11
JimmieT IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hanford, CA, USA !!! Posts: 143	Finally! My Bumper is completed. The final product is a little different than the original design ... but fully functional! Sorry I didn't get any pics of the actual fab process. Attached Images __________________ Big Jim's Dirty Kidz 1970 FJ40 ... mostly stock ... not too fast ... with a little bit of rust ... please send money! "Things are more like they are now ... then they ever were before!" Dwight D. Eisenhower www.centralvalleycrawlers.org

07-20-08, 11:25 PM	#12
D'Animal Beagles Rule! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central California TLCA# 17104 Posts: 10,078	Looks Great! __________________ Cruiser Dan at American Toyota Phone is 1-800-432-6668 ext. 8 (I am not cruiser Dan)

07-21-08, 10:45 AM	#13
Talon84x4 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CA TLCA# 18074 Posts: 265	Nice job __________________ '84 PU low & slow Central Valley Crawlers

07-21-08, 12:44 PM	#14
JimmieT IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hanford, CA, USA !!! Posts: 143	Thanks guys, glad it meets your approval. The bumper is ST (square tube) 2x5 x 1/4. The upper winch mounts are ST2x2 x 1/4. The recovery points are FB (flatbar) 1-1/4 x 2. The plate is 3/'16thk (on the ends of the bumper ... around the cable opening ... and at the upper winch mounts. All the bolt holes, thru the bumper, have a 3/8" thru-pipe welded in ... so the bumper is air-tight ... it can be used as an air tank. The bumper mounting bolts are Grade 8, cad plated, and the winch mounting bolts are Gr5 (I couldn't find the correct length, so I settled ... just to get the winch mounted). After fab was completed, I sand-blasted it ($99 tank from Harbor Freight) ... rattle canned grey primer, and then 5 coats of rattle can hammered black, sanded between coats. I s*k at painting, but it came out OK. Everything was MIG'd except the recovery points, which were TIG'd. __________________ Big Jim's Dirty Kidz 1970 FJ40 ... mostly stock ... not too fast ... with a little bit of rust ... please send money! "Things are more like they are now ... then they ever were before!" Dwight D. Eisenhower* www.centralvalleycrawlers.org

07-21-08, 03:43 PM	#15
H2OBOSS IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Central Cal. TLCA# 15597 Posts: 136	That's purrty nice job.

07-21-08, 06:30 PM	#16
D'Animal Beagles Rule! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central California TLCA# 17104 Posts: 10,078	Is TIG stronger then MIG? __________________ Cruiser Dan at American Toyota Phone is 1-800-432-6668 ext. 8 (I am not cruiser Dan)

08-14-08, 11:04 PM	#24
hudyhue IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hanford,Ca Posts: 724	looking good jimmie __________________ The Hudyhue Crew...mostly stock '66 fj40....but someday just maybe....... member, 4X4HIM ....Central Valley Crawlers!

07-21-08, 07:35 PM	#17
megolfer IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 827	I believe that tig is stronger. I know race cages and most comp buggies are tig __________________ www.tlca.org President-Central Valley Crawlers www.centralvalleycrawlers.org www.marlincrawler.com

07-22-08, 12:13 AM	#19
Toyrunner87 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fresno Ca TLCA# 17575 Posts: 326	Very clean looking front end there Jimmy. __________________ Forget Iraq, Lets bomb ExxonMobile!!!

07-22-08, 07:39 AM	#20
greenhorn311 IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Corcoran Ca TLCA# 18096 Posts: 604 Blog Entries: 1	Tig is much stronger.... Well it's only as strong as the welders skills

07-22-08, 04:35 PM	#22
JimmieT IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hanford, CA, USA !!! Posts: 143	Acronym Education Yeh, TIG is stronger! TIG stands for :"TOUGH" INERT GAS welding MIG stands for: "MILD" INERT GAS welding JUST KIDDING !!!!! I better not not any serious responses on this! Actually, TIG stands for: "The inspector General", and we all know how tough he is! And MIG stands for : "MIND IN GUTTER" .... or is it "Made In Germany"? __________________ Big Jim's Dirty Kidz 1970 FJ40 ... mostly stock ... not too fast ... with a little bit of rust ... please send money! "Things are more like they are now ... then they ever were before!" Dwight D. Eisenhower www.centralvalleycrawlers.org

08-15-08, 11:52 AM	#25
H2OBOSS IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Central Cal. TLCA# 15597 Posts: 136	HUDY IS ALIVE haven't heard from you in a while.

08-16-08, 10:31 AM	#27
JimmieT IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hanford, CA, USA !!! Posts: 143	Hudy WHO? Ohhhhhh ... hudyhue! Been so long ... I can't hardly remember when ... __________________ Big Jim's Dirty Kidz 1970 FJ40 ... mostly stock ... not too fast ... with a little bit of rust ... please send money! "Things are more like they are now ... then they ever were before!" Dwight D. Eisenhower www.centralvalleycrawlers.org

08-19-08, 08:19 PM	#28
hudyhue IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hanford,Ca Posts: 724	yea yea i 've had a tough patch of life with well damn just everything but i am and will be o'tay!!!! __________________ The Hudyhue Crew...mostly stock '66 fj40....but someday just maybe....... member, 4X4HIM ....Central Valley Crawlers!