[joshoisasleep]

Joseph Papp’s Inert (noble) Gas Engine | Joseph Papp Engine | The Green Optimistic

Yeah it sounds pretty 'out there'. But it's also pretty cool if it's true... there's some interesting stuff about observed tests by the military and 3rd party scientists. Hey it was never disproven!

[Dougal]

There's a big problem in the first paragraph.

Josef Papp, a Hungarian emigrant to Canada discovered an engine based on the properties of the inert gases, such as Helium. It is known nowadays that these gases, compressed and ignited under certain electrical conditions, can offer a blast powerful enough to blow up anything metallic around them.

You can't ignite noble gases. They are completely unreactive. That's why they are used as shielding gases in welding etc.

It's bullsh*t.
If the first claims weren't ridiculous enough, they claimed to get 300hp from a previously 90hp engine running at 4000rpm.
300hp at 4000rpm is 537Nm, the parts used in a 90hp engine would break before they could deliver that torque.

[joshoisasleep]

you mean the block and pistons wouldn't be strong enough? Reading into the idea a bit more, everyone is pretty clear about the fact that there is no combustion or ignition.

Hey, I just liked the idea! I read some other stuff about it that was more interesting... I'll see if I can find it.

[Dougal]

And if you read here:
Papp Engine – Abundant, Low Price Energy2

Noone else who tried has been able to get it to work.

[joshoisasleep]

Yeah but all that means is they haven't been able to get it to work, not that it doesn't. The thing that actually brought the whole thing to my attention was the interesting history of the device. Nobody claims to have "invented it"... Papp allegedly took the invention from his country's government during the collapse of the soviet union or something... weird stuff. Which is why neither he nor anyone else who has made them really know how it works exactly, just how to make it work (allegedly).

I dunno it's a cool story... I like the idea that there's an energy source out there that we don't yet understand. Again it doesn't claim to create energy.

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by joshoisasleep

I dunno it's a cool story... I like the idea that there's an energy source out there that we don't yet understand. Again it doesn't claim to create energy.

It does claim to create energy.
That test engine (the 300hp one) was producing shaft energy at the rate of 300hp (225 thousand joules per second) from the energy input from one car alternator which could produce maybe 1hp worth of electrical energy.
So it's claiming to freely produce 299hp worth of energy. That puts up a BS flag straight away.

I think Papp was better at smoke and mirrors than anyone else.

[joshoisasleep]

Energy input from the alternator? The energy was claimed to come from the noble gases... nothing to do with the alternator.

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by joshoisasleep

Energy input from the alternator? The energy was claimed to come from the noble gases... nothing to do with the alternator.

Here's the paragraph mentioning the energy input from the alternator.
Regardless I think it's just a well orchestrated hoax.

Josef’s first working inert gas engine was the engine of a 90hp Volvo, having the intake and the exhaust removed. The engine’s head was replaced with his own design. The engine ran for demonstration for about 35 minutes, generated a constant power of 300hp at about 4000 rpm. The electrical power needed for the engine’s input was produced by a standard engine alternator, which was also able to charge the car’s battery at the same time.

[joshoisasleep]

uh yeah it's not an electric motor though... that's like saying my 3FE in my other 62 uses the alternator to power the engine... yes it needs energy input from the alternator just like the papp engine claims to need... if the 3FE was 300hp it would be the same.

Not offering this as proof that it's real, just that that's not what they're claiming at all. They take great pains to explain that the alternator could NOT be providing the power for the engine...

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by joshoisasleep

uh yeah it's not an electric motor though... that's like saying my 3FE in my other 62 uses the alternator to power the engine... yes it needs energy input from the alternator just like the papp engine claims to need... if the 3FE was 300hp it would be the same.

Well no, because the 3FE has a fuel source, that's the petrol you feed it.
This engine claims to have no fuel source, the gas inside the cylinders "explodes" when triggered, then collapses again.

[LAMARTEK]

Gentlemen, I have some direct knowledge of the engine and its operation. I would enjoy hearing from each of you. Please contact me at LAMARTEK@yahoo.com

[joshoisasleep]

Why not just post your knowledge here for all to see?

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by joshoisasleep

Why not just post your knowledge here for all to see?

X2.
If you can't or won't post it here then I don't want it in my email.

[bagh33ra]

Originally Posted by Dougal

X2.
If you can't or won't post it here then I don't want it in my email.

x3. I'm all for alternative thinking when it comes to powering transportation, but we have to separate the worthy advances from the utter garbage.

[joshoisasleep]

I think it's a trap. "They" will send agents to get you if you are interested enough to respond by email. It's all part of the big cover-up

[lacruiser]

Wonder how this engine got it's name?

See Def 2 below:


Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -
pap /pæp/

–noun

1. soft food for infants or invalids, as bread soaked in water or milk.

2. an idea, talk, book, or the like, lacking substance or real value.

[jprohner]

My name is John Rohner and I am with PlasmERG Inc, an Iowa Corp, and I read your comments and wanted to update you. Visit PlasmERG, Plasmic Transition process Energy and you will find we are Licensing the technology to make was used to be called Papp motors. We have patents pending on the Plasmic Transition Process that makes it work, the Electronic Control system that controls the PTP, the Motor, The Fuel preparation and Copyrights, as Company secret like Coke and Pepsi.
I think you may be interested at the Horse power table presented there. It relates what our first 2 cylinder 120 Cu In motor did and extrapolates it out to other configuraions. Our next is 6 Cylinder.

We are preparing a 100,000 sq ft pilot manufacturing plant to manufacture motors for OEM use. The motors have a computed 3 month per filling continual run time and the ECS can auto refuel for a life of 3 years on a can of fuel about like a freon refill can.

The first motor has 3 moving parts, 2 pistons and a crank, a dry sump as all bearings are Roller, and is 22 inches wide 10 inches deep and 8 inches high for about 35 lbs. Not bad for 300+ HP.

So very soon your internal combustion motors will be obsolete and the first group from Subaru, Honda and Toyota, probably, should be out in a year or so.

Have a look and let me know if you need more data.
Thank You
John Rohner PlasmERG Inc.

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by jprohner

My name is John Rohner and I am with PlasmERG Inc, an Iowa Corp, and I read your comments and wanted to update you. Visit PlasmERG, Plasmic Transition process Energy and you will find we are Licensing the technology to make was used to be called Papp motors. We have patents pending on the Plasmic Transition Process that makes it work, the Electronic Control system that controls the PTP, the Motor, The Fuel preparation and Copyrights, as Company secret like Coke and Pepsi.
I think you may be interested at the Horse power table presented there. It relates what our first 2 cylinder 120 Cu In motor did and extrapolates it out to other configuraions. Our next is 6 Cylinder.

We are preparing a 100,000 sq ft pilot manufacturing plant to manufacture motors for OEM use. The motors have a computed 3 month per filling continual run time and the ECS can auto refuel for a life of 3 years on a can of fuel about like a freon refill can.

The first motor has 3 moving parts, 2 pistons and a crank, a dry sump as all bearings are Roller, and is 22 inches wide 10 inches deep and 8 inches high for about 35 lbs. Not bad for 300+ HP.

So very soon your internal combustion motors will be obsolete and the first group from Subaru, Honda and Toyota, probably, should be out in a year or so.

Have a look and let me know if you need more data.
Thank You
John Rohner PlasmERG Inc.

I couldn't find any data on your website. I found a table of extrapolations with nothing referring to the source. Plenty of quotes from you and your relations though.

If I was a law of thermodynamics, I'd be feeling quite violated right now.

Licensing the technology huh? Trolling the internet for "investors"?

I find your two bolts holding the cylinders down particularly amusing. Especially for an engine that generates the torque you claim it does.

[joshoisasleep]

where do I send the cheque??!?!?!

[Gene45]

I used to work with a Polish guy who had a good saying.

"Der is no Magic!"

And der isn't.

And Papp claimed to have built a submarine that could cross the Atlantic in less than a Day.
Too bad it was lost at sea! Now we will never know! See here!

http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemag...ue51/papp.html

[rchalmers3]

personally I'd rather invest in multi-level marketing. At least there is a usefull product in MLM.

Rick