Supplemental Hydrogen Generator

[MOTERRA]

nice site... canadian hydrogen energy company is saying minimum of 10% mileage improvement and they guarantee it..if the rigs can run it then i can too...


CHEC HFI Hydrogen Fuel Injection system reduces emissions and improves engine efficiency, reducing fuel consumption while producing more power. It works with your truck, right now.

there is one for pickup's etc...
The LT Series - CHEC HFI Hydrogen Fuel Injection system - The LT Series Hydrogen Fuel Injection System provides the same benefits as the HT version:Increased MPG, substantial decrease in emissions, extended oil drains, reduced maintenance, increased

[powderhound]

I just installed the magdrive 11a cell into my 82 fj60. Big improvement in overall engine smoothness and I have gotten 30 % better mileage. The hho that is injected is designed to completely burn the gas, diesel, propane, e85, etc. Gasoline only burns about 15-30% complete by itself. with hho it goes up to 98% complete burn. the hho acts like 130 octane and completes the burn in the gasoline, in return the engine has more power with less right foot input. As for pulling 10 amps, you can control this with the concentration of electrolyte in the cell, the less catalyst i.e. vinegar vs. distilled water the less draw of amps. the higher the amp draw the more hho is being produced. There are also systems that use pulse width modulators for more efficiency by sending square wave pulses to the cell instead of continuous DC current.
By the way, the magdrive system has a moneyback guarantee, but you'd be throwing money away everytime you fill up the tank it you didn't use it. I'm saving about $25 every fill up at 30% increase in miles per tank of petral. the kit costs $500 delivered. I should recoup the costs within six months, then reap the savings at the pump and much cleaner emissions and the engine runs cleaner without the excess carbon build-up.

[joshoisasleep]

wow $500 do you have a link??

[MOTERRA]

MagDrive Fuel From H2O - HHO Generators

here's the site...

[waterguy]

I am completely new to all of this. Is this the same unit that www.hho-hybrid.com is building?

[calphi27]

Originally Posted by powderhound

I just installed the magdrive 11a cell into my 82 fj60. .

which model did you get and how hard was the install? oh and pics would be great too!

[MOTERRA]

there a lots of pics/vids on u tube of the magdrive model......i figure 1 hour if you have all the parts and a good place to mount it..

i am looking into a distributorship in Canada if anyone is interested in one of these units...all sizes of engine even a big rigs...from 499.00(basic kit)up to 6995.00(big rig size cell stainless w/ warranty) will not void your new car warranty(Canada) and is street legal.

[powderhound]

Originally Posted by calphi27

which model did you get and how hard was the install? oh and pics would be great too!

Just got back from Stagecoach, CO got 15.4 mpg with up and down hills above 7k ft. I was getting 10-11 mpg before and it ran like crap. Now with hho it runs great on the road and the gas gauge isn't on the downward death spiral quite so much. I'm in the middle of desmogging so I've got some egr leaks for now, soon to change.
The first time I installed the 11a single cell, it took a bit, mainly because I had to figure out where the optimal mounting locations would be. Jim at Magdrive recommends between the grill and radiator for most vehicles. the 82 fj60 has a condenser in the way so I bent the straight brackets on the brick so that I could mount it in the passenger side of the engine next to the wheel well. It's worked so far, but I will fab a quick release bracket out of aluminum so I can take it out easily for cleaning once a month or two. I'm also working with some new quick release tubing for the hho output hose so cleaning or dissassembling the system for working on the engine easier to reinstall. I will also clean up the wiring and make it to where it disconnects as well.
If you can install a car stereo, amp and speakers etc, and have some what of an idea of how an engine works, then you will have no problem.

I'll have some pics just as soon as I can borrow a digi camera.

[MOTERRA]

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The LT Series - CHEC HFI Hydrogen Fuel Injection system - The LT Series Hydrogen Fuel Injection System provides the same benefits as the HT version:Increased MPG, substantial decrease in emissions, extended oil drains, reduced maintenance, increased

more hho links uncovering the truth about the fact you can produce hho gas from water and supplement your fuel...

oxy-hydrogen is the perfect fuel and not fiction... it is not just hydrogen produced.... oxygen is also mixed with the hydrogen at the molecular level....this was suppressed(by gov't oil companies) and we were taught that it was impossible and dangerous to use as fuel... Now it is in use and I can buy one!!!!with a warranty and not void my warranty they also guarantee a 10% mileage increase!!!...

HHO supplement should be made mandatory with todays fuel problems IMO....

[powderhound]

check out the site Hydrogen Garage LLC Awsome site for hho production and alternative energy. They have a link to blogtalk radio that has some great indepth interviews with several independant experts in various fields of alternative energy production. Some of the interviews talk about such super mpg saving techniques as the pogue carberator that was used in sherman tanks in ww2 that got 100 mpg. Also the GEET plasma system is pretty interesting as it recycles the exhaust to super heat the fuel and turns it into plasma for fuel.
There are lots of garage tinkerers out there with the solutions to the oil problem.

May 10, 2008 local fuel prices: Diesel $4.72, 85 octane $3.98 Edwards, CO

[MOTERRA]

cheers yeah i've seen all the sites pretty much it is a easy process and have demonstrated it to my friends to prove i could produce this gas...i used a couple coins and some wire it was crude as heck but proved the concept for no money only with a couple things i already had laying around.....

"the best ides are the most simple ones" ME

[Talos]

Hey! we found America long before that Italian dude!

ahem! .. I belive Leifur Eiríksson was Icelandic my good friend

Offtopic over.

[seapotato]

Looks pretty interesting, I'm too broke to be a guinea pig tho, so someone else has to put one on a 3B and tell me what happens....

[powderhound]

From what I hear, diesels love the stuff with the higher compression. I know a guy who has a dodge3500 cummins duelly and getting 22-24 mpg from 14-16. He said it had tons of power for hauling. I just wish I had a 3B right now instead of a 2(much)F(uel). What do you get? 25-30 mpg stock. I wonder how much hho would boost the 3B's power, maybe enough to make a difference.

[haryv]

I may be correct but just wanted to verify if this was just a simple electrolyser introduccing oxygen and hydrogen to the air mixture? I have thought of building my own and taking the wind generators current to store the hydrogen part in some large propane tank. Then it can be put onboard a carbon fiber high pressurized tank on the cruiser to save on fuel cost.

[joshoisasleep]

yep pretty sure that's all it does. I don't see why people think storing hydrogen on board is so dangerous... after all we store gasoline!!

[seapotato]

interesting, typed "HHO" into ebay, tons of them on there, lots of different types. some , if not most, are crap but makes you think they can't be that hard to build.

hhoParts & Accessories, All matching items for sale.


this one looks decent.... eBay Motors: HHO generator with bubbler "TOP QUALITY PARTS" (item 190225050348 end time Jun-01-08 21:32:37 PDT)

[powderhound]

Originally Posted by joshoisasleep

yep pretty sure that's all it does. I don't see why people think storing hydrogen on board is so dangerous... after all we store gasoline!!

You would have to seperate the hydrogen from the oxygen and store the hydrogen seperately or else the hho quickly deteriates when stored. Also, compressed hydrogen is EXTREMELY explosive as much as 5 times more powerful than gasoline. Why store it, when you can make it from very stable and safe water on demand systems.
What I can't figure out is why our main source of hydrogen is natural gas. This doesn't make sense as it takes a lot of energy to make it this way and the natural gas already can be used in a vehicle as a fuel itself. Hydrogen can be made much more economically through simple electrolysis from water and the electricity can be made cleanly through solar, hydro, wind, etc.
You can also run an electrical generator off of nothing but hho to produce electricity. since it runs at a consistant rpm. The applications of hho are just beginning.

[Sniperx]

"You can also run an electrical generator off of nothing but hho to produce electricity. since it runs at a consistant rpm. The applications of hho are just beginning.
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Verging on perpetual motion there.......

[powderhound]

Originally Posted by Sniperx

"You can also run an electrical generator off of nothing but hho to produce electricity. since it runs at a consistant rpm. The applications of hho are just beginning.
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Verging on perpetual motion there.......

Our manufacturing facility in atlanta runs off of two hho generators for it's complete operation.

[Sniperx]

you're saying you have 2 electrodes coming from the generator sitting in water making gas, then collecting that gas and burning it in the generator?

If so, BS....thermodynamics, wind resistance, friction, and physics says so.

[powderhound]

Originally Posted by Sniperx

you're saying you have 2 electrodes coming from the generator sitting in water making gas, then collecting that gas and burning it in the generator?

If so, BS....thermodynamics, wind resistance, friction, and physics says so.

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Hope this clears up some questions

[Sniperx]

I NEVER said hydrogen isn't a viable option. I never said hydrogen cannot be used in cars. I SAID...you cannot power the same electric
generators with the same hydrogen that is produced by said generators. If you could...ll you would have to do is give the flywheel a spin and it will run forever....perpetually...as in perpetual motion.

BTW: I don't read wiki citations, anything that can modified and submitted the general public is not a reliable source.

[seapotato]

Feel like I should be wearing a tinfoil hat with all the websites I'm looking at right now....

on the perpetual motion machine thing... Free-Energy Devices, zero-point energy, and water as fuel read chapter 4...


On the hho, I'm trying to decide between the smack generator ( definately simple...) or something that looks really slick, and actually has a good website with a forum and a smart helpful dude answering questions.

Homemade Hydrogen Generator

We'll see. somewhere in my 13 minutes of free time per week, I'm going to try to make one of these thing. turn my truck into an H bomb

[Moe R]

Originally Posted by Sniperx

I NEVER said hydrogen isn't a viable option. I never said hydrogen cannot be used in cars. I SAID...you cannot power the same electric
generators with the same hydrogen that is produced by said generators. If you could...ll you would have to do is give the flywheel a spin and it will run forever....perpetually...as in perpetual motion.

BTW: I don't read wiki citations, anything that can modified and submitted the general public is not a reliable source.

Hey Sniperx
How about : u have the hho generator fueling a burner that runs a steam engine that powers a generator to produce hho.When the hho burns it makes water for the steam engine. BTW, I have to agree with the above statment. Perp motion is currently impossible. IMHO