Supplemental Hydrogen Generator

[Moe R]

Go to the search and put in HHO lots of interesting stuff there

[MOTERRA]

hho or oxy hydrogen gas was used in 1816 in a carbed motor to get an pollutant free burn and improve mileage by raising the octane of the fuel used slowing the burn and burning all the fuel and carbon. so no deposits in the engine..(bad for parts sales) hydrogen is also very save if used on demand and never stored in a vessel.(bad for oil company's) oxy hydrogen is also the perfect atomic mixture of fuel (hydrogen) and oxygen, 2 H for ever 1 O, this is why it works so well for cutting and welding. also as a fuel supplement or as a fuel itself. i made a cell out of a mason jar water baking soda and two coins as an anode and a cathode and it would bubble when 12 v was applied.

also they have used oxy hydrogen for welding and cutting for years it is a proven technology.
seen some crazy video a guy welding metal rod to a BRICK and the weld held strong!! just with a torch? it was a korean company that makes these 220v HHO generators. look up oxy hydro welding vids

i was a skeptic till i saw the squashed patents that were shelfed to make us pay more for oil and parts for the last almost 100 years....think of the money that would have been lost if vehicles were in the 150 to 200 mpg range by now....makes sense the oil company's and car maker's don't want mileage and non pollutants like carbon deposits....the fact that on demand hho has not been tested in cars and it's been known about for 92 years proves they don't want you to have it... oh but a guy named frazer patented it in 1816 hooked to a four cylinder motor as a supplement.

my rant for the day sorry... lol i love a real conspiracy...

[BlackSmoker]

Originally Posted by Christian

Hydrogen is a fuel that contains a lot less energi per unit than gas, that is one of the reasons a fully functional hydrogen car still isn't on the roads.

But Hey! I sell the scandinavian Miracle Tonic! Boost your power by 1200HP while strengthening your entire driveline, it even makes your car invisible to cops and cameras, all in one bottle, just send me all your money or call 1-800-I-SCAM-ALL

Actually Hydrogen is extremely volitile it burns at 40 000 ft per second compared to 4000 ft per second. Hydrogen does work the same as propane but way more explosive. To run straight hydrogen the timing has to be very close to top dead center of the piston stroke. Hydrogen as a fuel source has to be injected on demand with no storage tank.

[MOTERRA]

yes on demand usage is the only safe way to go. as supplement or fuel itself.

hho is not hydrogen fuel, it is Oxy Hydrogen 2h for 1 O, much better than gas because the fuel(2H) and air a (O) are mixed perfectly at the atomic level. try doing this with gas is not possible.hho is a more powerful burn than gas because of the mixture. there is 1383 cubic feet of hho in one gallon of water....

nice doka btw...

[joshoisasleep]

has anyone thought of easing off on the alternator for those extra 10 amps or whatever you need, and using thermoelectric pads attached to the exhaust system/engine block? I'm not sure how much energy these little guys produce, but one little one can power a small fridge. Came across these while researching cheap mobile refrigeration. They're also quite inexpensive.

I wonder how much energy you could collect and store in batteries while on long drives with a setup of these things...

[MOTERRA]

sounds interesting for you long hauler's....but 10 amps or so is not going to hurt the alt...and oxy hydrogen can be produced with less amps you just have to regulate the amperage draw..

[BlackSmoker]

Originally Posted by MOTERRA

yes on demand usage is the only safe way to go. as supplement or fuel itself.

hho is not hydrogen fuel, it is Oxy Hydrogen 2h for 1 O, much better than gas because the fuel(2H) and air a (O) are mixed perfectly at the atomic level. try doing this with gas is not possible.hho is a more powerful burn than gas because of the mixture. there is 1383 cubic feet of hho in one gallon of water....

nice doka btw...

I have built one of these cells and you actually need about 4 of them just for supplement To do it properly you need a a pulse wave modulated capacitor array .Then you could also use lower voltage and amperage or even a solar panel. pretty simple actually. by the way they also blowup easily.

[joshoisasleep]

Originally Posted by BlackSmoker

I have built one of these cells and you actually need about 4 of them just for supplement To do it properly you need a a pulse wave modulated capacitor array .Then you could also use lower voltage and amperage or even a solar panel. pretty simple actually. by the way they also blowup easily.

That's what happens when you post while watching old startrek reruns...

But really though... you can actually make oxy hydrogen from water as you drive and inject it into your engine for improved fuel economy?? I want to do this!

[NocalFJ60]

Originally Posted by joshoisasleep

you can actually make oxy hydrogen from water as you drive and inject it into your engine for improved fuel economy?? I want to do this!

How would you make it? Would it be mechanical that uses power from the engine or electrical?

[MOTERRA]

electrolysis is a electro chemical reaction that splits the bonds between the hydrogen and oxygen..(H2O becomes 2H : O) so just electricity is used and water, little mechanical loss 5-15 amps
you can get a flame arrestor brass wool or something to stop it blowing i think....

[womacje]

These devices claim to improve efficiency.
How inefficient is a gas combustion engine?
liquid fuel sucks at combustion, surface tension, beading up on cylinder and intake port walls

I have used acetone in a 4oz per 10gal situation and seen a 7% increase in economy, 2mpg.

I believe there is room to improve the effciency of our combustion engine, but I don't have hard factual data other than my acetone experience for the past two years.

[MOTERRA]

I would like to test a cell to see if it does improve efficiency. I don't think a combustion engine is as efficient as i could have been made. Patents for 150 - 200 mpg fuel inj systems exist. why don't they sell a car with those numbers by now?


Car makers are milking us for as much *&&^ parts and poor mileage vehicles as they can, then phase in battery cars (hybrids) and such when no significant progress in fuel technology has been since lead was removed from gas. my 2 cent rant

[NocalFJ60]

Originally Posted by MOTERRA

so just electricity is used and water, no mechanical loss

The electricity used increases the horsepower required to turn the alternator so there is a mechanical loss indirectly. The whole concept of taking mechanical energy from the engine and transferring it to electrical and then to hydorgen is not going to increase the efficiency of a closed system. It is not efficient to produce hydrogen by electrolysis.

[LukeZero]

Originally Posted by MOTERRA

yada yada yada , no mechanical loss....

Of course there is a mechanical loss- otherwise you'd have the impossible perpetual motion machine. It is a Physical impossiblity to get more energy out of a closed system than you put in.

[MOTERRA]

Originally Posted by NocalFJ60

The electricity used increases the horsepower required to turn the alternator so there is a mechanical loss indirectly. The whole concept of taking mechanical energy from the engine and transferring it to electrical and then to hydorgen is not going to increase the efficiency of a closed system. It is not efficient to produce hydrogen by electrolysis.

sure..but the gas is in theory going to give you a better cleaner burn and if mileage goes up then it works... i'd lose 5- 10 amps. for that.

In my opinion it is efficient enough to use electrolysis for HHO generation if it's creating a clean renewable source of gas...

HHO is already in use for welding and cutting tools and is being researched for home heating applications. but not cars???if i can put one in my basement why can't i run a hybrid gas/oxy-hydrogen car using this tech???

( BTW I'm not saying perpetual motion just lots of gas from a small amount of water and amperage(12V DC only)

1 gallon of H2O = 1384 cubic feet of HHO est.)

(H2O = H2 : O)

[MOTERRA]

this is all just speculation on my part i don't know if any of these ideas will work lol

Frazer's first combustion patents


drawing of triple cell from aussie inventor Archie blue gas

[MOTERRA]

[joshoisasleep]

wow, love the ghetto trucker setup milk crate and all...
So what you're saying in english is... it's doable?

[LukeZero]

Originally Posted by MOTERRA

HHO is already in use for welding and cutting tools and is being researched for home heating applications. but not cars???if i can put one in my basement why can't i run a hybrid gas/oxy-hydrogen car using this tech???

Do a search for Browns gas. It is recycled snake oil. Been around for over 100 years.

Sure, it's has some interesting properties, but the heat content is very, very low.



No matter what the snake oil salesman says, the laws of Physics haven't been suspended.

[MOTERRA]

Originally Posted by LukeZero

Do a search for Browns gas. It is recycled snake oil. Been around for over 100 years.

Sure, it's has some interesting properties, but the heat content is very, very low.



No matter what the snake oil salesman says, the laws of Physics haven't been suspended.

I don't think It was ever tested properly... and is worth reexamination with new technology available today. but that's just my opinion...

How could you know for sure that it is truly snake oil or if it was just shelfed to promote fossil fuel use???? I find nothing disproving hho online just how the process works???and no solid facts about it's volatility except when applied to welding/cutting where it is an use to cut and weld unconventional materials like plastic or glass.

[LukeZero]

Originally Posted by MOTERRA

I don't think It was ever tested properly... and is worth reexamination with new technology available today. but that's just my opinion...

How could you know for sure that it is truly snake oil or if it was just shelfed to promote fossil fuel use???? I find nothing disproving hho online just how the process works???and no solid facts about it's volatility except when applied to welding/cutting where it is an use to cut and weld unconventional materials like plastic or glass.

Here is a link to another forum I sometimes frequent... (and I posted several responses in the following thread)


Denny Klein - Fuel from Water - Is this a scam? - JREF Forum

Some of the scientific knowledge the other members have there is beyond mine- but that just means they are able to analyze the claims better than you or me.

I believe that after you read the above link- you will see the claims for what they are= fraudulent. Best wishes, Luke

[MOTERRA]

i'll check it out not so concerned about opinions as facts. thanks but I am optimistic and don't buy the snake oil argument. i prefer to disprove things myself. that website is another forum for eggheadedness meh....


I have seen a brick welded to a metal rod with this gas know buy those who use it as HHO in glass polishing, plastic polishing etc...if you search HHO welding or cutting you find a better source of education i think...then speculation. why would industry use it if it didn't work and cut/weld these materials as the companies that sell them and the industry that use them claim. also it is a jewelery standard gas because it leaves no residue on gold etc...

[LukeZero]

Originally Posted by MOTERRA

i'll check it out not so concerned about opinions as facts. thanks but I am optimistic and don't buy the snake oil argument. i prefer to disprove things myself. that website is another forum for eggheadedness meh....


I have seen a brick welded to a metal rod with this gas know buy those who use it as HHO in glass polishing, plastic polishing etc...if you search HHO welding or cutting you find a better source of education i think...then speculation. why would industry use it if it didn't work and cut/weld these materials as the companies that sell them and the industry that use them claim. also it is a jewelery standard gas because it leaves no residue on gold etc...

So what I hear you saying is that even though someone has taken the time to point you in the direction of some answers to your questions, you're going to dismiss them as "eggheaded". Do I have that right?