[GregFrench]

My glowplugs are all bad, so to start it I have been spraying starter fluid in the air intake when it is cold. I found some glowplugs, but am short on cash right now. Will it hurt anything to keep using starter fluid until I can save up the cash?

[brownbear]

Ether is absolutely not good on your engine. It detonates early and might damage the precups.

I would use very sparingly. Or not all all....

Will it just not start after glowing? I have a hard time believing in SC it will not start on some plugs. Or that all the plugs are failed at once.

If they are all failed, it might be something else causing them to not heat up. Is the busbar getting power?

What led you to believe they are all bad?

Are you starting on diesel or some thick veggie goo?

[Eric Winkworth]

I agree with brownbear, ether should only be used in a situation where if your truck won't start you are SOL. It should not be used in a regular starting routine... It doesn't burn like fuel it explodes....

[gerg]

I used ether to get my 3b started after I replaced the head and honed the cylinders. I must say... it was the freaken scarrest noise my engine has ever made. I do believe it is death in a can for your engine.

G

[mac]

I've used the Ether Bunny on a 3B myself and it is quite a racket coupled with copious amounts of white smoke. I was in a campground and wasn't able to plug in my Cruiser. With all of my plugs burned out, ether was my only option. My fellow campers were less than pleased... not quite the same as campfire smoke.

The real danger in using ether is if your glow plugs are in anyway functioning they will cause the ether to ignite when you don't want it to, i.e., at a point other than compression/ignition. A misplaced explosion of ether as a piston is coming to the top can do some serious damage- say, broken crank, etc..

Some older diesels were actually designed to start on an ether charge and had no glow plugs. If you do use ether, use it sparingly and spray it into the intake quite a ways back or into the air filter assy. so that it is the ether vapour that is ignited and not the fluid.

You'd be better off fixing your plugs and doing the Wilson Switch(search)- 10.5v plugs are actually cheap. So is the peace of mind that comes with it. But in all honesty- if your plugs are COMPLETELY dead and your 3B is as old and tired as mine was and ether is used modestly - you'll be fine for a while.

[brownbear]

he's got an HJ... so 6 cylinders.

6 x 20 bucks at napa= 120 bones. A bit of cash if your strapped for sure.

The cheap way is to go NGK.

But that said you need to find out what the problem is first. I don't think 6 plugs could all be bad. If 3 are bad and cash is tight you could replace only 3 of the same type.

I would also think that 3 plugs could be bad on a 2h and you could still get it going, just glow the other three really long and crank and crank. A bit more smoke..... but should go.

[mac]

Ooohhh... didn't notice the sig. Ya kinda unlikely that ALL glowplugs are dead although if his HJ came from Aus it's possible they have never been changed- warm climate and all. Easy enough to check them though- just pull 'em and see if they are glowing red when energized or do a continuity check. Is that a 12V or 24V system?

Looking at your sig- are you sure your starting issues aren't related to poor quality or insufficiently heated oil?

[Diesel Weasel]

Dude, glowplugs are like $12 each.. How can you afford a diesel cruiser down in the US and not a couple glowplugs? If you can't afford all of them just go buy a couple.. should get you going at least..

[bigbrowndog]

cheers mate, check to see if they actually have power at the glowplugs. Just because the light shows does not necessarily mean they are getting power. Also if the compression is a bit low it will make the 2H harder to start also crook injectors. Pull them out and clean them and put the best live ones in number 1 and 4 cylinders then next best in # 2. Firing order 1,4,2,6,3,5. Regards

[GregFrench]

They didn't go all at once. My last one burned out this summer, but it has been warm enough that I didn't need them. I pulled them and checked. The bottoms are missing (burned away) on most of them. Yes I am getting power to them.

Are you sure you can get them at NAPA? Everywhere I checked didn't have them. Do you have a part # because the number I gave them stamped on the side of the plug didn't do any good. (PT-104 8.5V 2D)

Yes, I spray it into my air intake before my filter. Even then, it cranks and cranks, and cranks, then finally sputters to life. If I don't use it, it cranks until it kills the battery and I need a jump AND an ether spray. I only need to do this in the morning, then I am good for the day.

No...there is no nasty Veggie junk in it, as I purge it every time I stop.

As for the money...I have it, but would rather spend it on Xmas for my kids if the plugs weren't an absolute necessity, then buy them after Xmas.

[Rig of Mortis]

Originally Posted by GregFrench

The bottoms are missing (burned away) on most of them.

As for the money...I have it, but would rather spend it on Xmas for my kids if the plugs weren't an absolute necessity, then buy them after Xmas.

Please, drop the loot on some new glow plugs, your kids will be happy that you made it home for Christmas and you will fall in love with your 'Cruiser all over again.

Check here for part number on glow plugs

[Jan-78FJ40]

Originally Posted by GregFrench

As for the money...I have it, but would rather spend it on Xmas for my kids if the plugs weren't an absolute necessity, then buy them after Xmas.

spend it on the kids.
pm me your address, I'll send you some plugs for free.
marry christmas,
J

[wesintl]

Originally Posted by Jan-78FJ40

spend it on the kids.
pm me your address, I'll send you some plugs for free.
marry christmas,
J

awesome Jan, If he had a 3b I would have send him my spare set. Very nice of you man.

[brownbear]

Originally Posted by Jan-78FJ40

spend it on the kids.
pm me your address, I'll send you some plugs for free.
marry christmas,
J

Right on...... way to help out a fellow cruiserhead

[GregFrench]

Originally Posted by Rig of Mortis

Please, drop the loot on some new glow plugs, your kids will be happy that you made it home for Christmas and you will fall in love with your 'Cruiser all over again.

Check here for part number on glow plugs

From what I found, there is no part number on that page for the 8.5V plugs. I looked before I posted.

[brownbear]

Please explain your system. Is it 24 volt? Manual or timer, superglow etc.

Once we know your system guys can offer what plug will work.

Possible your 8.5 volts were wrong.... I dunno.

[Big Blue 84BJ60]

ngk-y147t is the number for 10.5v plugs box 0f 10 65bucks from parts store cant remember where i bought them but ngk is cheap ive got six left over.

[Big Blue 84BJ60]

ether is no good the more you use it the more the engine will wear at start up use wd-40 it provides a litlle upper cylinder lube just my 2cents

ps glow plugs are best (without wd or ether)

[aircrew]

Crap, I used WD-40 to try and free up my cylinders in the B. Its locked up solid anyways and has to be rebuilt, good thing it didn't start or else there would be a whole lot less engine left to rebuild.

P.S. sorry for the Thread Jack

[GregFrench]

Originally Posted by brownbear

Please explain your system. Is it 24 volt? Manual or timer, superglow etc.

Once we know your system guys can offer what plug will work.

Possible your 8.5 volts were wrong.... I dunno.

12v truck.
Manual glow system.
8.5v plugs #PT-104 8.5V 2D on the side of the plugs.
Don't know what superglow is, so I don't know if I have it. All I know is I turn the key backwards until the little coil in the dash glows red, then start it.
Once the last plug(s) went, the little coil stopped lighting. Then the temp dropped, and the truck stopped starting.

As I said before, the plugs are totally burned up. The bottoms are missing. Looks like they have never been changed.
Getting power to them, though.


I was told (by this company in the auction) these are the ones I need.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....m=130147967238

[mac]

PT104 crosses to NGK #y128t or ND #067100-1350. NGK and NipponDenso are the ones common to my local parts guys (Canada).

[rstl99]

I recently ordered half a dozen NGK-Y-147T(7493) 10.5v plugs for my 3B from:

http://clubplug.net/canada/index.html

They were about $15 each, which worked out to a little over $100 with taxes and shipping.

They seem to carry all sorts of glowplugs so likely would have something for your situation.

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by GregFrench

I was told (by this company in the auction) these are the ones I need.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....m=130147967238

Neil (roodog) would know,he sells plenty of these. I have this brand in both cruisers and they are faultless(and cheap )

[brownbear]

Originally Posted by roscoFJ73

Neil (roodog) would know,he sells plenty of these. I have this brand in both cruisers and they are faultless(and cheap )

says a guy who lives in an area where you can cook eggs year round on the dash......


MMmmmm eggs.....


Actually if anyone knows the 2H it's going to be an ozzie.

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by brownbear

says a guy who lives in an area where you can cook eggs year round on the dash......


MMmmmm eggs.....


Actually if anyone knows the 2H it's going to be an ozzie.

Well its not all sun tan lotion and lobsters on the bbq. It got down to -1c last night:brrrrr: in the south but was 46c in the north

[bigbrowndog]

Originally Posted by brownbear

says a guy who lives in an area where you can cook eggs year round on the dash......


MMmmmm eggs.....


Actually if anyone knows the 2H it's going to be an ozzie.

If it's an Aussie 2H the late hj60 and hj75 were the only one's that had the superglow system. The busbar acts as a resistor to reduce the 12 volts down for the plugs.

[brownbear]

Originally Posted by roscoFJ73

Well its not all sun tan lotion and lobsters on the bbq. It got down to -1c last night:brrrrr: in the south but was 46c in the north

ah -1 is starting to get nippy. But you may find me still in short sleeves.

Today was almost -10 c. Darn mercedes didn't want to start with the thick oil I left in there. A minute of glowing and no go....

Had to take the 3fe to work.

After work I'll boost the mercedes going and get some 0w40 to make her happy.... all Mercedes are girls

[brownbear]

Originally Posted by bigbrowndog

If it's an Aussie 2H the late hj60 and hj75 were the only one's that had the superglow system. The busbar acts as a resistor to reduce the 12 volts down for the plugs.

HJ47 says his signature.

From NZ. 12 volt.

So what 12 volt plugs are his options, maybe if he removes a resistor? I dunno

[GregFrench]

Jan is sending me some of his. He has 2 @ 12v and 4@ 6v. I'll use them until after Xmas.

Thanks again, Jan!

[Big Blue 84BJ60]

ngk-y147t (10.5v) are hardy plugs and would work in a 2h
it might draw alittle more amperage bieng 10.5 vs 8.5 volts thats the only down side i could think of

i have a 3b super glow and when i swiched to manual glow (botched glow timmer) the plugs i pulled out were 6 volts and then replaced them with 10.5 volt plugs (and manual switch) the only problem i encountered was i blew a fuseable link i just replaced it with a 60 amp fuse no problems been 2 years now