What's the best Veggie System: Please Advise - Page 2

dieselcruiserhead · 01-04-08, 11:55 AM

Will do!

83bj60 · 01-04-08, 12:16 PM

Guys, PlantDriver has an 80 with an 1HD-FT in it, would be super interesting to find out how he's doing with his veggie conversion for use folks with more recent Toyota Diesels, I was under the impression that engine was not suitable for it (direct injected, rotary pump), but I've read somewhere else (on a site in the UK), that the Denso injection pump is suitable for veggie conversion.

Unless I'm mistaken and latter 1HD-FTs have inline pumps...

dieselcruiserhead · 01-04-08, 03:15 PM

I don't think rotary and direct injection matters too much if you ask me, that is what my setup is...

dieselcruiserhead · 01-04-08, 03:22 PM

I don't think rotary and direct injection matters too much if you ask me, that is what my setup is...

M John Galt · 01-04-08, 04:06 PM

It does mater to a lot of other "WVO" users. Rotary IPs are much less tolerant of any moisture in the oil, and don't like variations in viscosity caused by temperature and type of oil. There are far fewer reported problems with inline IPs.

83bj60 · 01-04-08, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieselcruiserhead

I don't think rotary and direct injection matters too much if you ask me, that is what my setup is...

Well your sig line says biodiesel, which is totally different than running vegetable oil.

83bj60 · 01-04-08, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M John Galt

It does mater to a lot of other "WVO" users. Rotary IPs are much less tolerant of any moisture in the oil, and don't like variations in viscosity caused by temperature and type of oil. There are far fewer reported problems with inline IPs.

John, what do you think of this UK outfit, they claim they have a conversion kit for the "Toyota 4.2TDi"...

Toyota Landcruiser 4.2TDi 1

M John Galt · 01-05-08, 12:48 AM

It might work just fine. Rotary IPs require high quality clean dry VO, between 150°F and 200°F, introduced to an IP at normal hot operating temperatures. Most failures come with wet oil, and cold oil injected into a cold IP. Sure it can be done, it just requires more diligence and attention to detail, both in processing used VO, and switching and purging a two tank system.

83bj60 · 01-05-08, 08:22 AM

Thanks, that's encouraging

dieselcruiserhead · 01-05-08, 12:13 PM

I am [obviously] very aware of the difference between biodiesel and VO.... I'm just saying that I know plenty of people running VO through their Bosch VE rotary pumps and other rotary pumps and they are fine.. Direct injection, that one I personally think is even less of a issue, I cannot understand how precups would cause vegetable oil to run that much better.. I've personally never heard of anyone having issues with vegetable oil that were related to the engine being direct injected? My guess is more misinformation left over from the Journey to Forever site... That said while indirect or Mercedes engines seem to be more "tolerant" of crappy fuel/water in the fuel system etc, I personally don't think it makes it any more acceptable to run vegetable oil. My personal plan is to definitely strongly filter and dewater and VO prior to running...

83bj60 · 01-05-08, 03:20 PM

Well I'm glad to hear from others such as yourself on this issue. It makes it all more of a possibility now for people such as myself with the 1HD-T to run their vehicles on VO or suitably cleaned WVO. I sincerely hope the day will come where I will be freed from slavery to Big Oil, and it would seem that this will happen in my lifetime

Thanks for the updated information

01-04-08, 11:55 AM	#31
dieselcruiserhead IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Park City & Heber City, Utah TLCA# 9439 Posts: 2,150	Will do! __________________ - Cummins 4BTswaps.com Forums - Diesel Conversion Website TLCA# 9439 Since 1999, Wasatch Cruisers '89 Toyota Pickup V6, OME, 32's '69 FJ55 Project on locked FZJ80 Frame, Cummins 4BT, NV5600, Dana 300

01-04-08, 12:16 PM	#32
83bj60 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Laurentians North of Montreal, QC Posts: 1,389	Guys, PlantDriver has an 80 with an 1HD-FT in it, would be super interesting to find out how he's doing with his veggie conversion for use folks with more recent Toyota Diesels, I was under the impression that engine was not suitable for it (direct injected, rotary pump), but I've read somewhere else (on a site in the UK), that the Denso injection pump is suitable for veggie conversion. Unless I'm mistaken and latter 1HD-FTs have inline pumps... __________________ 91HDJ81VX (The Beast), 4B JDM, since Nov 06 83BJ60 (The Old Faithful), Still Running, Gone to a New Home 83BJ60 (Rusty but Trusty), Dec 90 - July 98, Parted Out 76FJ40 (Big Red), April 87 - July 93

01-04-08, 03:15 PM	#33
dieselcruiserhead IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Park City & Heber City, Utah TLCA# 9439 Posts: 2,150	I don't think rotary and direct injection matters too much if you ask me, that is what my setup is... __________________ - Cummins 4BTswaps.com Forums - Diesel Conversion Website TLCA# 9439 Since 1999, Wasatch Cruisers '89 Toyota Pickup V6, OME, 32's '69 FJ55 Project on locked FZJ80 Frame, Cummins 4BT, NV5600, Dana 300

01-04-08, 03:22 PM	#34
dieselcruiserhead IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Park City & Heber City, Utah TLCA# 9439 Posts: 2,150	I don't think rotary and direct injection matters too much if you ask me, that is what my setup is... __________________ - Cummins 4BTswaps.com Forums - Diesel Conversion Website TLCA# 9439 Since 1999, Wasatch Cruisers '89 Toyota Pickup V6, OME, 32's '69 FJ55 Project on locked FZJ80 Frame, Cummins 4BT, NV5600, Dana 300

01-04-08, 04:06 PM	#35
M John Galt IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Possum Lake, Ontario CA Posts: 516	It does mater to a lot of other "WVO" users. Rotary IPs are much less tolerant of any moisture in the oil, and don't like variations in viscosity caused by temperature and type of oil. There are far fewer reported problems with inline IPs. __________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

01-05-08, 12:48 AM	#38
M John Galt IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Possum Lake, Ontario CA Posts: 516	It might work just fine. Rotary IPs require high quality clean dry VO, between 150°F and 200°F, introduced to an IP at normal hot operating temperatures. Most failures come with wet oil, and cold oil injected into a cold IP. Sure it can be done, it just requires more diligence and attention to detail, both in processing used VO, and switching and purging a two tank system. __________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

01-05-08, 08:22 AM	#39
83bj60 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Laurentians North of Montreal, QC Posts: 1,389	Thanks, that's encouraging __________________ 91HDJ81VX (The Beast), 4B JDM, since Nov 06 83BJ60 (The Old Faithful), Still Running, Gone to a New Home 83BJ60 (Rusty but Trusty), Dec 90 - July 98, Parted Out 76FJ40 (Big Red), April 87 - July 93

01-05-08, 12:13 PM	#40
dieselcruiserhead IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Park City & Heber City, Utah TLCA# 9439 Posts: 2,150	I am [obviously] very aware of the difference between biodiesel and VO.... I'm just saying that I know plenty of people running VO through their Bosch VE rotary pumps and other rotary pumps and they are fine.. Direct injection, that one I personally think is even less of a issue, I cannot understand how precups would cause vegetable oil to run that much better.. I've personally never heard of anyone having issues with vegetable oil that were related to the engine being direct injected? My guess is more misinformation left over from the Journey to Forever site... That said while indirect or Mercedes engines seem to be more "tolerant" of crappy fuel/water in the fuel system etc, I personally don't think it makes it any more acceptable to run vegetable oil. My personal plan is to definitely strongly filter and dewater and VO prior to running... __________________ - Cummins 4BTswaps.com Forums - Diesel Conversion Website TLCA# 9439 Since 1999, Wasatch Cruisers '89 Toyota Pickup V6, OME, 32's '69 FJ55 Project on locked FZJ80 Frame, Cummins 4BT, NV5600, Dana 300 Last edited by dieselcruiserhead; 01-05-08 at 04:36 PM.

01-05-08, 03:20 PM	#41
83bj60 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Laurentians North of Montreal, QC Posts: 1,389	Well I'm glad to hear from others such as yourself on this issue. It makes it all more of a possibility now for people such as myself with the 1HD-T to run their vehicles on VO or suitably cleaned WVO. I sincerely hope the day will come where I will be freed from slavery to Big Oil, and it would seem that this will happen in my lifetime Thanks for the updated information __________________ 91HDJ81VX (The Beast), 4B JDM, since Nov 06 83BJ60 (The Old Faithful), Still Running, Gone to a New Home 83BJ60 (Rusty but Trusty), Dec 90 - July 98, Parted Out 76FJ40 (Big Red), April 87 - July 93

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