Tacoma and FZJ80 Wheel Swap

[Mars]

I've been on the board for a while, mostly for my 93 fzj80. Its getting a little high in the miles, and a little costly in repairs to keep daily driving it, so I'm going to have to sell it.

As a replacement, I just purchased a 1999 Tacoma, V6 TRD 4x4. So my question is, on my 80 I have 5 nearly new 285/75/16 Dueler Revo's, and I have the feeling that if I sell them with the cruiser, I won't get my money out of them. Will these tires and wheels swap right to the Tacoma? Anyone have experience putting the fzj80 wheels on Tacomas? The Tacoma is stock at the moment, anyone know what/how much lift I'd be looking at to make them fit?

Right now the Tacoma also has Revo's, 31" on it that are in decent shape, maybe 10k driven on them. If I can make the 285's work on the Tacoma, I may try to sell off the 31's, along with the wheels, and then get a cheap wheelset and tires to slap on the 80 to sell it.

Any ideas? Is all this crazy and should I just sell the LC as it is? Motivating factor is to try to get use/money out of the 5 nearly new Revo's on the 80.

Thanks!

[ginericLC]

I'm not going to be much help on this. But I can tell you the 80 wheels will fit on the Taco. I bet they will fit with no lift but I have no experience to back this up. Are the Taco wheels 15s?

[ROCKCLMBR 7]

Yes the lc wheels and 285's will fit, but you will need a 2.5-3" lift to clear them. There are many options for this. i.e $-$$$$.
Matt

[Mars]

Good to know. I guess my question was whether it will be worth it to run the bigger tires. This is going to be my daily driver, so I'm not sure it'll be worth it putting the bigger tires on without regearing. The Tacoma likely needs new shocks anyway, so this might be a good time to lift as well.

I hate to even ask without searching first...but any lift recommendations that would get that 2.5-3", while retaining as much stock geometry as possible? This truck will still see a lot of miles on pavement, so I don't want to add too much unnecessary wear.

Thanks!

[bowyer2002]

I have over sized 33" (Cooper Discoverer ST 255/85 R16) in my '01 double cab w/o regearing and use it for my DD. In lieu of regearing, I bought the Superlift speed re-calibration sensor unit and have seen little, if any, change in fuel mileage.

Love these tires, last set got me 72K miles! I had 5 for rotation which helps. Mostly pacement too!

I also have AAL, Shackel and 2.5" spacers in front - It still rides like stock, maybe a little stiffer - but still comfortable on long drives (3+ hrs)


Just my .02

[terryjmatthew]

I went with Bilstein 5100 shocks in the front which net 2" lift and a 1.5" BL= 3.5"

You will need at least three inches to clear 285's on 16x8's. You are definitely going to loose some "pep" going from 31-32.8" tires.

Then you just need the TRD blower and fuel mods to make up for that lost power.lol

[jfz80]

been through this before too. the wheels will fit no problem, but the 285's will require a lift. you can go cheap $2-300 for a spacker and add a leaf or up to 2k on coilovers and custom leaf packs. Id recomend the Old Man Emu kit if your not going to run arb w/ winch. If you are the OME struts cant handle the weight over time. Its like $800 or so. Heres a pic of my 99 on 285 mtr's on 80 series wheels, specs in my sig line. the 33's shouldnt hurt you power wise too much, esp if you got a 5 speed. Ive got the 2.7 w/ a 5 spd plus the luxury of toyotas smallest gear ring ever 3.73 and its still very tolerable as a DD.

[Mars]

Originally Posted by jfz80

been through this before too. the wheels will fit no problem, but the 285's will require a lift. you can go cheap $2-300 for a spacker and add a leaf or up to 2k on coilovers and custom leaf packs. Id recomend the Old Man Emu kit if your not going to run arb w/ winch. If you are the OME struts cant handle the weight over time. Its like $800 or so. Heres a pic of my 99 on 285 mtr's on 80 series wheels, specs in my sig line. the 33's shouldnt hurt you power wise too much, esp if you got a 5 speed. Ive got the 2.7 w/ a 5 spd plus the luxury of toyotas smallest gear ring ever 3.73 and its still very tolerable as a DD.

Good to know on the 285's. Big concern was if the motor could push the 33's with the manual transmission in a daily driving situation, as well as not be too ridiculously high geared offroad to cause problems. Sounds like it should work for moderate stuff.

[Huhwhye]

Originally Posted by jfz80

Ive got the 2.7 w/ a 5 spd plus the luxury of toyotas smallest gear ring ever 3.73 and its still very tolerable as a DD.

with 33's? That is a matter of opinion

[Mars]

I don't have any experience with Tacomas and 33's...you don't think it'd be daily drive-able with the manual and the V6? Without regearing that is?

I'm don't need something that smokes off the line, I'm used to driving the fzj80, and I drive like a grandma anyway on pavement. I just need something that doesn't feel extremely underpowered getting around, or have a hard time pulling hills on the freeway. Any more input?

[terryjmatthew]

Originally Posted by Mars

I don't have any experience with Tacomas and 33's...you don't think it'd be daily drive-able with the manual and the V6? Without regearing that is?

I'm don't need something that smokes off the line, I'm used to driving the fzj80, and I drive like a grandma anyway on pavement. I just need something that doesn't feel extremely underpowered getting around, or have a hard time pulling hills on the freeway. Any more input?

It really depends on what gear ration you have. IIRC, some Taco's came w/ 3.91's, 4.10's, and 4.56's. I would be willing to bet the V6 has 3.91 or 4.10 and the 2.7's came with 4.56.

I have never owned a Taco, but I can tell you first-hand that my 4Runner (AT) w/ 4.10's and 33's sucked on the highway. Always hunting for a gear and downshifting on even the slightest incline.

I could only imagine that 5th gear is going to be pretty much useless.

[terryjmatthew]

I would plan on regearing and/or supercharging.
Keep in mind that if you S/C there is alot more involved than just bolting on the blower.(Fuel Mods, timing controller, etc)

[jfz80]

mars---- you know what they say opinions are like a__holes everyones got one.

i definately do not think youll need to regear or go forced induction, thats just a silly excuse if you wanted to. If you got the 3.4 youll have no problems esp. w/ the 5 speed. My buddy can still smoke his 32's and climb a seriously steep drive in 3rd but he got the 4.11's w/ the 3.4. Not to say it wouldnt drive better w/ gears, but far from a necessity. So strike my very tolerable comment but definately tolerable; i have just about lost 5th now( 33x 10.5's now), but fourth will run down the hwy 80 mph on uncorrected speedo at a hair over 3k rpm and i dont need to drop below 4th at cruising speeds for hills.

DO check you gearing from the door jam placard, it does make a difference, but sounds like youll be fine. Have you been over to www.ttora.com ? caution, they arent as lenient about newb nonsearchers as here, but a good group w/ lots of info.

here is the gear code decipher http://www.tacomaterritory.com/wiki/...php/Gear_Codes

oh and your gonna need more than just shocks up front...........struts, coilovers, or spacers

[Mars]

Bump for some pics. Still haven't done it yet, but things are moving in the right direction. Pics of the 31" tires vs the 285/75/16's from the FZJ80.

[Mars]

Also...I have no door sticker. Door was replaced in an accident and sticker was toasted.

Is there a way to get the vehicle code without having the door sticker? Any other way to determine what gearing my truck has? (Sounds like a new thread...)

[FlatlandTRD]

A 99 V6 trd should be:

if 5spd 3.91, if auto 4.10, but to be certain you'll need to check your axle code (since you no longer have the sticker). There were a few with the 4.30s, but mostly 4rnrs. Either way, you WILL notice the difference, but you won't need a supercharger. If the taco wheels are 15", they will not fit on the 80, so that will have to be addressed also.

Axle Code Gear Ratio
RZN140L-TRMDKAB 3.416
RZN140L-TRMDKAB 3.583 2001
RZN140L-TRPDKAB 3.727 2001
RZN140L-TRSDKAB 3.583
RZN150L-CRMDKAB 3.416
RZN150L-CRMDKAB 3.583 2001
RZN150L-CRPDKAB 3.727 2001
RZN150L-CRSDKAB 3.583
RZN161L-TRMDKAB 3.583
RZN161L-TRMDKAB 4.100 With 10.5R 15 Tire, 7JJ Wheel 1997-98
RZN161L-TRMDKAB 4.100 With 31x10.5R 15 or P265/75R 15 tire 1999
RZN161L-TRMDKAB 3.909 2000
RZN161L-TRMDKAB 4.300 With 31x10.5R 15 or P265/75R 15 tire 2000
RZN161L-TRPDKAB 4.100
RZN161L-TRPDKAB 4.555 With 10.5R 15 Tire, 7JJ Wheel 1997-98
RZN161L-TRPDKAB 4.555 With 31x10.5R 15 or P265/75R 15 tire 1999-2000
RZN171L-CRMDKAB 3.583 1997-1999
RZN171L-CRMDKAB 4.100 With 10.5R 15 Tire, 7JJ Wheel 1997-98
RZN171L-CRMDKAB 4.100 With 31x10.5R 15 or P265/75R 15 tire 1999
RZN171L-CRMDKAB 3.909 2000
RZN171L-CRMDKAB 4.300 With 31x10.5R 15 or P265/75R 15 tire 2000
RZN171L-CRPDKAB 4.100
RZN171L-CRPDKAB 4.555 With 10.5R 15 Tire, 7JJ Wheel 1997-98
RZN171L-CRPDKAB 4.555 With 31x10.5R 15 or P265/75R 15 tire 1999-2000
RZN191L-TRPDKAB 3.909
RZN191L-TRPDKAB 4.300 With 31x10.5R 15 or P265/75R 15 tire
RZN196L-CRPDKAB 3.909
RZN196L-CRPDKAB 4.300 With 31x10.5R 15 or P265/75R 15 tire
RZN196L-CRPDKAB 4.100
RZN196L-CRPDKAB 4.555 With 31x10.5R 15 or P265/75R 15 tire
VZN150L-CRMDKAB 3.153
VZN150L-CRSDKAB 3.153 1997-98 & 2000, 3.583 1999
VZN150L-CRSDKAB 4.100 With 31x10.5R 15 or P265/75R 15 tire
VZN160L-TRMDKAB 3.909
VZN160L-TRPDKAB 4.100 With 10.5R 15 Tire, 7JJ Wheel
VZN170L-CRMDKAB 3.909
VZN170L-CRMDKAB 4.100 With 10.5R 15 Tire, 7JJ Wheel
VZN170L-CRMGKAB 3.909
VZN170L-CRMGKAB 4.100 With 10.5R 15 Tire, 7JJ Wheel
VZN170L-CRPDKAB 3.909
VZN170L-CRPDKAB 4.100 With 10.5R 15 Tire, 7JJ Wheel
VZN170L-CRPGKAB 3.909
VZN170L-CRPGKAB 4.100 With 10.5R 15 Tire, 7JJ Wheel
VZN195L-CRPDKAB 3.909
VZN195L-CRPDKAB 4.100 With 31x10.5R 15 or P265/75R 15 tire

[97kurt]

One other thing to watch out for. I got a set of 80 rims and the earlier 80's (94-95) used a different style lug nut than what the tacoma used. Not a huge deal since the standard lugs are about $1 a piece.

[Mars]

Originally Posted by 97kurt

One other thing to watch out for. I got a set of 80 rims and the earlier 80's (94-95) used a different style lug nut than what the tacoma used. Not a huge deal since the standard lugs are about $1 a piece.

True, the 80 wheels have tapered lug nuts. I'd just keep the lug nuts with the wheels...and buy new ones to match the wheels going back on the 80.

For the time being at least, it doesn't look like my finances are going to allow for this kind of swap to happen.

[PigHeaded]

I have 32x11.5x15 BFG ATs on my 96 Tacoma with only a 1/2" leveling spacer in the front. I also have an ARB Bullbar with a hilift jack mounted to it, and very old saggy regular Tacoma (Not TRD progressive rate) springs, and have minimal rubbing. Any rubbing that you would have would be at full lock on the pinch weld in the rear of the wheelwell. You could do the "pinch weld mod" to take care of that. If you have 4.10 gears you'd be fine with those tires. 3.58's would be a stretch, although I ran with them for years with my ATs I'm not trying to debate here, and every truck is different, but 31.7" tires should easily fit with minimal lift.

[FlatlandTRD]

FYI, a 32x11.5R15 is equivalent to a 265/75R16 (~31.7"). The 285/75R16 is 33". There is no 285/70R16 in the Revo if that was confusing anyone. Of course all of this is now a moot point as he indicated it's not feasible. But I still think these wheels look great on tacomas & 4rnrs, so I still vote for Mars to keep it in consideration (we need a devil's advocate smiley).

[Mars]

Originally Posted by FlatlandTRD

FYI, a 32x11.5R15 is equivalent to a 265/75R16 (~31.7"). The 285/75R16 is 33". There is no 285/70R16 in the Revo if that was confusing anyone. Of course all of this is now a moot point as he indicated it's not feasible. But I still think these wheels look great on tacomas & 4rnrs, so I still vote for Mars to keep it in consideration (we need a devil's advocate smiley).

Fixed it for clarity.

It'll happen, its just gonna take a little longer than expected.