DPCHIP Anybody used one?

Deep Thought · 10-23-06, 05:31 PM

Hello fellow Pradoarians,
Has anyone had any experience with these little gadgets. I've done all the research via the web, and the comparison to the Dtronic and other such units. But what I'm after is some unbiased real world opinions on their performance. So people what have you got on them.

Regards
D.T.

ats4x4dotcom · 10-23-06, 07:17 PM

dtronic works before ecu, the rest just change voltage to fuel pump, so no different to winding up the fuel screw on a manual pump.

You really only get what you pay for in that field.

Deep Thought · 10-24-06, 01:30 AM

G'day Darren,
With regard you comment on the fuel screw principle. In reading up on the item in question, it says that it remaps the fuel timing as well as the fuel volume in response to a vast number of parameters. That is to so that it completely remaps the fuel delivery system. So are you saying that this is not what happens in relation to this particular module. If that is the case how can they justify what they are saying in their own blurb on the component.

Regards
D.T.

ats4x4dotcom · 10-30-06, 03:49 PM

that would be a question for them, as i havent seen the blurb your referring to, but like changing the fuel set screw, the pump still changes what it does like normal, just with different fuel loadings, so technically, all the perameters change, but for power, not all round benefits.

Deep Thought · 01-11-07, 03:02 PM

Darren,
I think there maybe some truth in what you are saying. Maybe I need to get onto a dyno and have the module tuned to see what is going on.
In your opinion (knowing that your not that familiar with the unit) is this going to give me the all round benefits that you mention earlier, or just a different set of power settings? I have been told by the dealer / tuner that the unit reads a signal that is being sent to the injector pump from the ECU and then modifies that signal. Not sure what information is stored in this signal. It does seem that it is all done with smoke and mirrors to me. I also notice that when I put my foot down the little red light comes on and I seem to produce a bit more smoke particularly when travelling uphill. I wonder if I have spent the $1300 poorly perhaps I should have gone with the Dtronic, but the lure of adjustment to the unit was very tempting.

Regards
D.T.

ats4x4dotcom · 01-11-07, 03:23 PM

I could of told you which parts to by from jaycar for under $40 to do the same thing as the box you have fitted.

The dtronic works completely differently to the way youe $1300 potentiometer alters voltage to the pump to wind in more fuel, effecting economy, engine oil soot loadings, and perhaps even engine longevity.

Dingo Chaser · 02-18-07, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ats4x4dotcom

I could of told you which parts to by from jaycar for under $40 to do the same thing as the box you have fitted.

The dtronic works completely differently to the way youe $1300 potentiometer alters voltage to the pump to wind in more fuel, effecting economy, engine oil soot loadings, and perhaps even engine longevity.

Is that not the (in) famous Darren McRea

who had numerous run ins with AWDTech when they used to distribute another chip to the point of even getting banned from another forum? Not still pushing the same old line are you Dazza

Unfortunately the DTronic comes in before the ECU and 'tricks' it into making changes leaving the door open for all sorts of problems and conflicting signals as many an ex Dtronic owner will tell. The DPChip is the safest chip on the market because it is the only one that comes in after the ECU and in so doing leaving all the engine operational safety features intact. Doesnt interfere or log to the ECU in any way.

Darren, one thing you are correct about is that it effects economy. I'm getting about a litre per hundred better with my DPChip

No smoke, heaps of power. I no longer have to drive foot to the floor and less gear changing too so I guess you're right about the engine longevity also, it should last heaps longer

Anyway, don't believe me, or Dazza. Better yet check their website for the details or email them www.dpchip.com

Deep Thought · 02-21-07, 03:30 PM

Dingo Chaser,
I originally started this thread after I purchased a DPChip because I thought that I had not spent my cash wisely. The unit had so few sensor inputs I thought Darren might be right. After a lengthy and ongoing discussion on another forum, I believe that I did buy the right unit. The DPChip IS NOT a "simple over-fuelling device". Rather it is a complete remap of the injection system done in a very different way to other upstream devices. The upstream devices could cause problems by altering inputs to the ECU should something be not quite right with the engine. The better quality up-stream units I'm sure have in-built safety systems but I think the DPChip is a better way of doing it. IMHO.

However I have great repect for Darren's ability I just disagree with him on this topic.

Regards
D.T.

ats4x4dotcom · 02-21-07, 03:50 PM

more lies and twisting of stories...... dp chip was so good, it became a rip off of the original after the distribtor lost his distribution, and made a copy, better or worse who knows, but Id hate to think what you have to do to have the distribution for a nation taken away....

At least being independant, we dont have a barrow to push, and deep thought, no bloke ever spent good money on the wrong thing, did they, what they got for thier money is always the better one......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dingo Chaser

Is that not the (in) famous Darren McRea

who had numerous run ins with AWDTech when they used to distribute another chip to the point of even getting banned from another forum? Not still pushing the same old line are you Dazza

Unfortunately the DTronic comes in before the ECU and 'tricks' it into making changes leaving the door open for all sorts of problems and conflicting signals as many an ex Dtronic owner will tell. The DPChip is the safest chip on the market because it is the only one that comes in after the ECU and in so doing leaving all the engine operational safety features intact. Doesnt interfere or log to the ECU in any way.

Darren, one thing you are correct about is that it effects economy. I'm getting about a litre per hundred better with my DPChip

No smoke, heaps of power. I no longer have to drive foot to the floor and less gear changing too so I guess you're right about the engine longevity also, it should last heaps longer

Anyway, don't believe me, or Dazza. Better yet check their website for the details or email them www.dpchip.com

Dingo Chaser · 02-21-07, 08:28 PM

Darren,

I tend to wonder why it has a 5 year warranty and the others only 3 years if it is a copy as you sugest??? Pretty good copy then, better than original

Bottom line is it works as stated. Deep Thought seems to have done plenty of research so I'd tend to go with his assessment.

"At least being independant, we dont have a barrow to push" who is the we here Daz?? Have you got multiple personalities now?

"and deep thought, no bloke ever spent good money on the wrong thing, did they, what they got for thier money is always the better one......" Dazza they have a 30 day moneyback guarantee so if DT thought he had spent the money on the wrong thing he could have got it back pretty easily.

I'd have to agree Dazza is usually on the money but seems a touch pedantic anytime this one comes up.

Deep Thought · 02-21-07, 09:59 PM

I'm not sure about what you on about with the "money spent" line Darren. I just disagree with your assessment of the unit not the people who make it, who I don't actually know. As far as I know the Dtronic does a similar thing to engine output it just does it differently to the DPChip. Some say better some say worse. I say different. I really don't care I'm just trying to gain a better understanding of the whole tuning chip issue.

And as far as I know the falling out with the other brand i.e. "Tunit" was over some sort of naming rights and web address ownership, I'd have to Google that again to re-read it but it was all in leagalease and was giving me a headache trying to follow the courts decision on the case. It had nothing to do with the performance of the module itself. As far as copying the design I don't know about that either. And knowing how business owners keep their cards close to their chests, I don't think anyone can make an informed statement on who did what to whom unless they are involved with that particular business. Anything else in my opinion, is just an opinion.

I'm on a quest for knowledge and a reasonable discussion with valid points not a character assasination. I don't know either of you guys other than through web forums. As far as I can tell, thus far, you are both reasonable individuals.

So you guys just go at it I'm just going to sit back and watch for a while.

Regards
D.T.

ats4x4dotcom · 02-23-07, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dingo Chaser

"At least being independant, we dont have a barrow to push" who is the we here Daz?? Have you got multiple personalities now?

Not at all, we have aceess to all of them, but we only recommend the one we have data for to work best, unlike the customer, who gets to sample one only, after he pays for it, then try and explain why he thought it was better.

And wether your product copy is better, or worse, than the companies who had to take the distributorship off you, its a fair bet, you have no choice but try and convince us of this, and next we will hear you flicked them, not they flicked you....

Always interesting though, that when I state what we prefer, and why, I get responses such as yours, from you, about them, I would of thought that made you more sensitive, trying to argue the point about what we have to say, than me, when i mention what we have found.....

Should I be expecting another legal letter from them now, asking me not to speak about these type of subjects, like everyone else who has mentioned the issues they have had with the company involved?

Dingo Chaser · 02-24-07, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ats4x4dotcom

Not at all, we have aceess to all of them, but we only recommend the one we have data for to work best, unlike the customer, who gets to sample one only, after he pays for it, then try and explain why he thought it was better.

And wether your product copy is better, or worse, than the companies who had to take the distributorship off you, its a fair bet, you have no choice but try and convince us of this, and next we will hear you flicked them, not they flicked you....

Always interesting though, that when I state what we prefer, and why, I get responses such as yours, from you, about them, I would of thought that made you more sensitive, trying to argue the point about what we have to say, than me, when i mention what we have found.....

Should I be expecting another legal letter from them now, asking me not to speak about these type of subjects, like everyone else who has mentioned the issues they have had with the company involved?

WTF ????

Daz you are a nutter. Take another pill.

dhula · 02-25-07, 02:13 AM

Guys, can we please reserve the slanging match for another time and place (duck, weave)

I'm interested to know how DT went at the tuners.

Darren,

Why do you say the DPchip is a $1300 potentiometer as I would have thought that it would be more than just a ramp up of what comes out of the factory ECU or is this actually the case

Now to me any of the engine tuning chips on the market are just the same thing. As DT said, they do it in a different manner, but essentially they are just a "potentiometer" that increases a given signal by X amount to give better performance.

Before you ask, NO I haven't researched the subject like DT certainly has, but I'm curious and like to get others opinions and why they think that way

Deep Thought · 02-25-07, 02:31 PM

Dhula,
No worries you will see the results. It may be later than sooner. It seems the little woman has a list of things "we" would like to do. But I'll do my best.

Regards
D.T.

ats4x4dotcom · 02-25-07, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dhula

Guys, can we please reserve the slanging match for another time and place (duck, weave)

I'm interested to know how DT went at the tuners.

Darren,

Why do you say the DPchip is a $1300 potentiometer as I would have thought that it would be more than just a ramp up of what comes out of the factory ECU or is this actually the case

Now to me any of the engine tuning chips on the market are just the same thing. As DT said, they do it in a different manner, but essentially they are just a "potentiometer" that increases a given signal by X amount to give better performance.

Before you ask, NO I haven't researched the subject like DT certainly has, but I'm curious and like to get others opinions and why they think that way

Thats how the others get to sell a cheap item as a dearer pre ecu dtronic, because most people dont know the difference.

ats4x4dotcom · 02-25-07, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dingo Chaser

WTF ????

Daz you are a nutter. Take another pill.

Well, seems every time someone or something negative to do with said supplier, and its subsiduries, likes to send out legal letters to try and keep people quiet about issues they have had.

Just search berymydiesel,... oops I mean beriimadiesel on the explor oz forum, if you need any more details

I have many of the letters sent out here, can always scan them and put them up on the web, if you dont remember.

ats4x4dotcom · 02-25-07, 08:56 PM

dhula, you could try this thread too

http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/s...t=26223&page=3

and have a read of this

http://www.lcool.org/technical/elec_...ng/tuning.html

Dingo Chaser · 02-26-07, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ats4x4dotcom

Well, seems every time someone or something negative to do with said supplier, and its subsiduries, likes to send out legal letters to try and keep people quiet about issues they have had.

Just search berymydiesel,... oops I mean beriimadiesel on the explor oz forum, if you need any more details

I have many of the letters sent out here, can always scan them and put them up on the web, if you dont remember.

Scan away. Put up or shut up!

I thought the topic was the merits of the dp chip not your gripe with Berrima over legal matters.

Actually the topic is DPCHIP ANYBODY USED ONE? Well have you Darren????

Darren have you even bought a dpchip to try it or is all this great technical knowledge of yours through ESP or something. I'd love to see your technical results not just your mad mans rants and ravings on a forum. You sound like a rabid nutter when you go on about stuff without any real technical information to back it up.

Maybe you should just stick to what you know about. Tell us how the dtronic does it if it is so different. Why is it not just another set screw? And why do they seem to have so many problems with it?? If it is so good and really alters fuel and timing why doesnt that show in the results?? Where are the dtronic dynos?

www.dpchip.com/dynos.html looks pretty good to me for a set screw.

Anyway time for another off topic rant from dazza now....Im sure

ats4x4dotcom · 02-26-07, 07:24 PM

so berrima test them on a hill with guages hooked up with varying load, wind, temp every time, vs using a dyno, with temp controlled room, to do exact comparisons, and we are raving loonies?

Thats why you have to send out letters, because its hard to find anyone with anything good to say, and you wouldnt waste your time trying to control what we think, if it wasnt an issue for you.

DT is already starting to realise where he is at, and the LCOOL article linked above spells it out in a technical manner that most can understand, without mentioning names pretty well, how much more information do you require, to tell the difference dingo ?

Do you think thats was guess work, or hard data that produced that document?

And if you think it was guess work, then you do have a problem....

Dingo Chaser · 02-26-07, 09:08 PM

Like I said, put up or shut up. so where is it?

Still not sure who the 'we' are you keep refering to? Although I hear you are a pretty big guy so maybe you think of yourself as two people

I thought the dyno graphs on their website www.dpchip.com/dynos.html were pretty clear.

??? I give up. Obviously I have the problem as you say. Someone else can try to get some sense out of you. Good luck DT

ats4x4dotcom · 02-27-07, 05:41 PM

you come here to change my opinion, to which Im entitled, and deteriate to personal insults.... and all of a sudden your the victim?.......................................

Your your own worst enemy dingo, you can fool some of the people some of the time........

Would anyone else here buy a product that "should" protect your very expensive diesel engine from someone with your attitude?

Must be time to start a poll on that one.

Dingo Chaser · 02-27-07, 09:34 PM

How does the saying go?

"Never argue with fools or the insane , they’ll take you to their level and beat you with their expeience."

I give up. Can't beat your logic because there is none.

See ya!

BTW you came on here and tried to change DT's opinion, and mine, but I guess we can't let the facts get in the way of a good arguement.

We're both happy customers. Youre not. End of story.

ats4x4dotcom · 03-01-07, 01:45 AM

happy customers, of course, ignorance is bliss, as they say

Deep Thought · 03-01-07, 01:51 PM

Dingo,
I'm not sure if you have been following this same issue I started on another forum. Here is the link, you may be interested in some of the DPChip info on there also.

http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/s...t=26223&page=1

Regards
D.T.

Dingo Chaser · 03-01-07, 03:48 PM

That info on the other forum satisfies me totally.

Darren you might need to wipe some of that egg off your face.

DT I'll leave it to you to try and argue sense with him. I guarantee he will come back with more of the same 'mine good yours bad' arguement.

dhula · 03-02-07, 07:50 PM

Gents, please leave the personality attacks at home, I'm interested in this subject - as I'm sure others are - but with what has been going on, I'm inclined to stay away cause you're turning it to crap.

How the hell is anyone going to read TECHNICAL info (not just your opinion, no matter how you got it) when all that is happening is

"Darren you’re a dick, your wrong so piss off"

and responded with

"Dingo you and everyone else is wrong wrong wrong, no matter where you get you're info, cause I'm the smartest bloke on this earth so I'm right"

Now I'm not arguing with either of your credentials, you both seam like very intelligent and informed blokes - ACT LIKE IT

Darren,

I'd like you to prove to me (and the rest of the forum) that the Dtronic is the best at what it does and that the DPChip is just a SET SCREW adjustment. Not with crap about "you get what you pay for" but hard facts. eg: a independently conducted test resulting in a readout of numbers going into the ECU, coming out of the ECU before the chip and then after the chip or in the case of the DTronic before the chip, between chip and ECU then after ECU.

can you do it honestly without prejudice to either product - put your facts where your mouth is and prove us wrong (and you right) as I want facts, not bullshit arguments about who is right and who is wrong

Cheers

ats4x4dotcom · 03-03-07, 06:15 PM

dhula, did you read the LCOOL linked article?

what question do you have after reading that, that the answer will convince you?

That article is written after testing the units.

Deep Thought · 03-04-07, 03:53 PM

Darren,
Can you see the woods? Yes there............. in the trees. Arrrggghhhh!!!!!

That's all I have to say about that.

Regards
D.T.

ats4x4dotcom · 03-04-07, 06:59 PM

well done DT, my sentiments exactly, both of you are searching for something under your nose, and saying it isnt enough.

You can lead em to water, but you cant make em think.....