[dmc]

Well I received some Hella 4000s as a fine Christmas present only to find they don't fit very well into the ARB on my 80. So last night Wildyoats and I (mainly him) did a little fab work and install.

After debating about building a light bar that would bolt on to the existing tabs and the license plate bracket we decided to grind and weld some shock tabs on bar. The plan was to have the center light sit out a bit further but they ended up pretty much the same. Center light is a pencil beam. Outer lights are the eurobeam with the city light. Went out last night and drove around the sticks a very good upgrade. Of course now the 2nd battery has climbed to the top of my mod list.

[Kaderabek]

Looks good. I hardly ever use mine though, the guy in front of me always starts moaning.

TJK

[dmc]

one more of the finished product.
dmc

[dmc]

Originally Posted by Kaderabek

Looks good. I hardly ever use mine though, the guy in front of me always starts moaning.

TJK

There is a term they use in baja called 'nerfing.' When they start moaning about the lights give them a gentle nudge and go around. Or just stop being such a sheep and lead

[LIVERUST]

They look like Hella Dave!

Are you concerned about air flow into the radiator?

Let's go test them some night. I need to get mine off the pavement.


Troy

[Kaderabek]

Baa.

Bah.

Going around isn't usually an option around here. I'm lucky most times to just fit my 80 on the trail.

You're going to love those lights though. As Frank Sinatra says, "Night and day...."

TJK

[elmariachi]

Dave, I think you are going to find when the outside temps get above 85 degrees, three lights will greatly diminish your airflow for both cooling and AC. I had to rearrange the height on the ones on Kaderabek's truck a couple times before I resolved it, with only the two lights.

[Kaderabek]

They've been "rearranged" a time or two since. Who puts all those tree limbs out in the woods...?

TJK

[elmariachi]

Originally Posted by Kaderabek

They've been "rearranged" a time or two since. Who puts all those tree limbs out in the woods...?

TJK

I cannot imagine shining three of those onto the guy in front of you ....you'd probably get ticketed for impersonating a nuclear explosion.

[WildYoats]

All i'm gonna say is that Pencil Beam rocks. I will be able to save some money now by going to Dave's and plopping my face in front of that pencil beam instead of hitting the tanning booth. Not to push Hella, but for the money, they are great.

Sorry for driving your truck through the manure patch bro.

[dmc]

Originally Posted by elmariachi

Dave, I think you are going to find when the outside temps get above 85 degrees, three lights will greatly diminish your airflow for both cooling and AC. I had to rearrange the height on the ones on Kaderabek's truck a couple times before I resolved it, with only the two lights.

Jim,

You know I was a bit concerned about it. Obviously January is not the best time to judge airflow. I'm sure I'll update this thread come May or June with new info. Luckily I only drive about 2miles to work and most of my slow 4wheeling will be in the 40. Hopefully by mounting them foward I'll get enough air flow to run cool. The majority use of this truck will be on faster dirt roads in the 45 - 60range. Not pushing the motor too hard. But enough flow to keep it cool. I can always put them on the 40 and get some smaller lights later.
dmc

[Kaderabek]

Mount your ARB fridge/freezer up there, set it on low and prop the lid open.

TJK

[dclee]

I also thought about a center-mounted pencil beam for night time driving, with two floods ("Euros") on either side, in the normal positions. Actually, what I was thinking about was using ARB's clamp-on bracket in the middle of the bar to mount the light, but either have the light folded out of the way normally, or removed entirely. That way I could swap it between trucks as well as aim it for specific uses when I actually did use it.

[cabron]

I do like the looks of them. I too would be concerned about radiator flow

[WildYoats]

Ok dude, I have come up with a solution if the air flow becomes an issue.

We will go to Home Depot and get some HVAC tubing and whip you up some Air Intake Ports like these !!!

[dmc]

only if it looks as good as your photochop. troy and i are headed out west tonight if you want to roll with us. i'll get to see how well they work and test the airflow.
dmc

[NorCalDoug]

nice.

airflow might be a problem. I noticed a bit of a problem with my 2 big Lightforce 240s.

[dmc]

Doug,

What exactly do you mean by a 'bit' of a problem? I've seen the lightforce and I can't imagine I'm any more restrictive than they are. I don't drive very hard at all. A noticable heat increase I'm not too concerned about. if i have to stop every 30mins to let the motor cool then I may need to think of other options.
dmc

[CodyRx7]

Could you mount the outer 2 lower? Like on the fairlead mount if airflow is a problem?

[elmariachi]

Originally Posted by dmc

Doug,

What exactly do you mean by a 'bit' of a problem? at all. A noticable heat increase I'm not too concerned about. if i have to stop every 30mins to let the motor cool then I may need to think of other options.
dmc

Dave,

When I first mounted the dual Hella 4000s, they knocked anough air off the condensor that the AC wouldn't chill, even at road speed. At the same time I noticed in heavy traffic that the temp was a little higher than normal.....not good in Texas. So I raised the lights with spacers and moved the Warn control box out of the way and it solved both.

Jim

[IdahoDoug]

I've had a pair of the Hella 3000s on the 93 since new, and a pair of 4000s on the 97 since I got it. Both have done some heavy towing and my lights are so close to the grille on both that they actually touch it once in a while. I have not noted any heat issues and have considered adding a third like Dave's setup.

Where can I get a look at ARB's clamp on mounts? I'm planning to put ARBs on both trucks this spring and had planned a weld on mod, but...?

Thanks,

DougM

[reffug]

I've got dual PIAA's that size sitting right in the same spot and never experienced any cooling or overheating issues....... Just lucky I guess.

[Kaderabek]

Originally Posted by elmariachi

Dave,

When I first mounted the dual Hella 4000s, they knocked anough air off the condensor that the AC wouldn't chill, even at road speed. At the same time I noticed in heavy traffic that the temp was a little higher than normal.....not good in Texas. So I raised the lights with spacers and moved the Warn control box out of the way and it solved both.

Jim

I put the Warn control box back in the way (too much muddy water around here for a low mount) but laid it flat. No problems.

TJK

[cabron]

I like the intake options, I think they could be made to look really cool

[Trunk Monkey]

This is a little chatty, but noticed this in my garage at work this morning.

[ParadiseCruiser]

Reading through this thread, I noted the absence of any comment on the possibility of using an auxiliary pusher fan to help resolve any potential heating issue. Particularly in the southern, hotter driving environments.

Thoughts?

R -

[dmc]

Originally Posted by IdahoDoug

I've had a pair of the Hella 3000s on the 93 since new, and a pair of 4000s on the 97 since I got it. Both have done some heavy towing and my lights are so close to the grille on both that they actually touch it once in a while. I have not noted any heat issues and have considered adding a third like Dave's setup.

Where can I get a look at ARB's clamp on mounts? I'm planning to put ARBs on both trucks this spring and had planned a weld on mod, but...?

Thanks,

DougM

Doug,

You can see the clamp I believe dclee is referring to on Wildyoats truck in this pic with the cb antenna. http://forum.ih8mud.com/sale-parts/67172-genuine-safari-expedition-style-riser-cable.html

They extend about 4inches off the bar which to me spaces them out way too far for my eye.
dmc

[dmc]

So Live Rust and I went out to the desert last night to break in my new lights and his newly lifted LX450. I did some tweaking to the lights and got them aligned pretty well. I love the center pencil beam. Honestly I was looking for something to make my truck a bit unique but functionally the three lights work well. I was alternating driving with them on/off and found their worth when I flipped them back on only to light up the ass of a black cow in the middle of the road that my HIR lights hadn't picked up yet. At 50mph it's nice to be able to see things like cows with enough warning.

Looks like I need to buy Wild Yoats dinner again. The tabs need a gusset. A little too much vibration for my liking. So after that is squared away I can just enjoy the hell out of them until spring rolls around I can start worrying about airflow.
dmc

[LIVERUST]

It was like driving into the sunset all night following dmc. Nice to have him out front clearing the livestock. Looking at the light setup in person I think there should be plenty of air flow around, under and over the lights. It's not like he has a V8 in there ;-)

troy

[WildYoats]

Originally Posted by dmc

Looks like I need to buy Wild Yoats dinner again. The tabs need a gusset. A little too much vibration for my liking.

Really? That surprises me, but we can do that no problem!

Glad you didn't hit the cow. Although, I have been craving a little BBQ this winter.