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cruiserdan · 08-15-05, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LandCruiserPhil

Dan what is the dia. of the 94 3.0 V6 blade? How did the fan spacer pan out with the new fan? How is the 94 3.0 V6 blade different from the OEM fan?

The 94 3.0 blade, 16361-65020, is about 1/8 of an inch give or take closer to the radiator than the top edge of the ring on the ring fan (16361-65010) and is the same diameter as the inner ring which is about 17 inches. The 65020 fan has 7 blades like the 65010 fan. The original fan, 16361-66020 has 8 blades and is a larger diameter. I do not have one at home to measure, I'll do that later. The original fan is a teensy bit closer to the radiator than the 65020 fan is. That plus the additional diameter is where the problem with the lower part of the shroud will come into play.

D-

Edit to add additional info:

The original fan, 16361-66020 is 18 1/2 inches in diameter.

cruiserdan · 08-15-05, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by IdahoDoug

Dan,

Nice work! So, is there an air gap on the top area of the shroud that could potentially be tightened up a bit to maximize airflow (by minimizing shroud to fan clearance up top)? I'm too lazy to go out and look at my trucks..

DougM

Since the fan is smaller in diameter there is a larger gap all the way around the shroud. I'm not sure how one could fasten something to the shroud to safely close that gap. I would be concerned about it getting loose and have the fan catch it and rip things apart.

turbocruiser · 08-15-05, 08:13 AM

Wow, great thread, I want to clarify something though, has anyone had a fan blade hit a radiator on a non-supercharged, non-bodylifted vehicle? I cannot tell from all the posts about trimming blades and shortening spacers, etc, whether a vehicle with stock blade and stock body mounts has ever had this problem??? Thanks.

cruiserdan · 08-15-05, 08:16 AM

I have not heard of a blade-to-radiator or shroud clearance issue on a vehicle with stock mounting of the fan / vs body.

turbocruiser · 08-15-05, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cruiserdan

I have not heard of a blade-to-radiator or shroud clearance issue on a vehicle with stock mounting of the fan / vs body.

Cool, thanks, if anyone would have heard of it, you would have heard, so thanks again.

Rich · 08-15-05, 09:54 AM

It has happened during water crossings. The extra density of water enables the fan to flex into the radiator. Not a typical every day occurence.

Rainy Day FZJ · 08-15-05, 01:17 PM

What is the cost and availability for the 16361-65010 3.0 fan? You stated that the OEM fan is larger in diameter, and slightly closer. Do you have the height measurement difference? do you think that trimming the OEM fan and the shroud would be succesful?

cruiserdan · 08-15-05, 01:40 PM

You do not want the 16361-65010, that is the ringed fan. The original 1FZ fan (16361-66020) is about 1/4 inch closer to the radiator and about and inch and a half larger in diameter. I do not like the idea of trimming the blades. I do not trust myself to get them even enough. I'm afraid that an un-trimmed 66020 fan would hit the bottom seam of the radiator even with the shroud cut away.

The 16361-65020 (no ring 3.0 V6) lists for $98.58 and board members pay $73.93.

Lockd97 · 08-15-05, 04:25 PM

I know I'm throwing this in late here but I'm running a 180* T-stat and I consistantly see 190-195* temps when warmed up and no closed loop/open loop ecu issues verified by the ecu from the OBDII port (scan tool) and also my Raytek minitem MT4 IR thermometer. I like the temperature margin it affords me. 220* is cutting it awful close.

cruiserdan · 08-15-05, 04:37 PM

Where did you get a 180 for a 1FZ? The OEM is 190 and the TRD is 160.

Lockd97 · 08-15-05, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cruiserdan

Where did you get a 180 for a 1FZ? The OEM is 190 and the TRD is 160.

I don't remember where off hand. I still have the box w/the part # and brand at the house but I know you can get 170* and 180* thermostats at NAPA.
Stant, Gates, and Beck/Arnley make them.

When I get home tonight I will grab the box and post it.

Tools R Us · 08-16-05, 11:50 AM

Dan, how much clearance is there between the back of the fan and the pulleys? Is the fan still set deep into the shroud?

cruiserdan · 08-16-05, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tools R Us

Dan, how much clearance is there between the back of the fan and the pulleys? Is the fan still set deep into the shroud?

Most of the blade depth is inside the shroud. There is about 5/16 of an inch clearance between the back of the blades and the tensioner pulley and there is about 1 and 3/4 of an inch of space between the blade ends and the shroud opening.

D-

Tools R Us · 08-16-05, 01:26 PM

Fans that run in shrouds are most efficient when the blade ends are centered to the shroud opening, if set too deep they loose some flow. If this setup works I would cut some off the spacer, 1/4 inch maybe? The blades only flex forward, so it can be very close to the pulleys.

cruiserdan · 08-16-05, 01:51 PM

Could you define "centered" in a bit more detail please? I would say that about 1/3 of the blade is visible "behind" the trailing edge of the shroud. If I move the blade back towards the engine I will not be able to pivot the tensioner to load the blower belt.

MTNRAT · 08-16-05, 02:31 PM

So Dan, If I read this correctly all I would have to do is order the 16361-65020 and swap it for the ring fan that came with the supercharger kit?
Thanks,
Sean

cruiserdan · 08-16-05, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MTNRAT

So Dan, If I read this correctly all I would have to do is order the 16361-65020 and swap it for the ring fan that came with the supercharger kit?
Thanks,
Sean

That and trim the shroud as shown in post #87

D-

MTNRAT · 08-16-05, 02:36 PM

Sounds simple.
Thanks

Koffer · 08-16-05, 02:51 PM

Ok
Danny boy
Whats the #s on the temp now with the new fan compared to the old ringed one ? You have had this setup for almost a few days now

. We want hard facts

Tools R Us · 08-16-05, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cruiserdan

Could you define "centered" in a bit more detail please? I would say that about 1/3 of the blade is visible "behind" the trailing edge of the shroud. If I move the blade back towards the engine I will not be able to pivot the tensioner to load the blower belt.

If the blade is laying face down on the bench, measure the height of the blade, half of that is the center of the blade. That mark needs to be centered in the parallel section of the fan hole in the shroud. The closer that you can get it to centered the better it will work, but if there isn't room to move it, there isn't anything you can do anyway?

When trimming the shroud also look at sealing it to the radiator and the radiator to the core support as well as possible, high density foam weather stripping from the home center works well.

landtank · 08-16-05, 06:06 PM

my understanding is that air not only moves accross the blade but along it as well. It exits in a conical shape more than a tubular one. The ring on the SC blade basically blocks an exit for the air.

Taz · 08-19-05, 10:34 AM

C-Dan Has the new fan helped your cooling, now that you have had it on there for a while? Has it helped with the high speed cooling...60mpg plus? We need a conclusion here, you got us all amped up about a possible fix and left us hanging??? Thanks for all you research and input

cruiserdan · 08-19-05, 12:14 PM

I installed it Sunday and went out on one un-loaded test and have been commuting to work this week. I intend to perform a loaded test this weekend. My inital impression is that the cooling is improved but the loaded test will tell the true tale. I will hook up the boat and toss about 450 lbs of ballast in the cargo area (a few cans of M2 ball sould do the trick

)

D-

LandCruiserPhil · 08-19-05, 01:41 PM

Dan have you tried the rising temperature ideal test w/AC on, w/o the electric fan, in the sun, at the hottest part of the day and sitting in the truck listening to Glen Campbell’s - By The Time I Get To Phoenix?

cruiserdan · 08-19-05, 02:07 PM

"Try a Little Kindness" actually..........

Uncle Ben · 08-19-05, 03:13 PM

Kazmanff · 09-09-05, 10:05 PM

C-Dan, how's the new fan been working out?

smokethedog · 09-09-05, 10:31 PM

Yeah, I'm interested as well. My truck "started getting hot" this summer on a 105F day, in traffic with ac on. The ac did not cut out, and fortunately I was getting on the interstate, which cooled it back down to the idiot proof normal range on the factory gauge.

I'm running factory tstat, have a fan clutch that is coming up on 3 years, and had the the radiator "rodded" ?? out then as well. I plan on doing a flush again before winter hits, and was thinking about installing the different fan and a new fan clutch. I havent had the balls to do the "finger" test.

Worth the time and money? Think it will help keep a SC'd engine cooler?

thanks,
randall

Rich · 09-09-05, 10:44 PM

That would be rodded out.

08-15-05, 08:13 AM	#93
turbocruiser IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,085	Wow, great thread, I want to clarify something though, has anyone had a fan blade hit a radiator on a non-supercharged, non-bodylifted vehicle? I cannot tell from all the posts about trimming blades and shortening spacers, etc, whether a vehicle with stock blade and stock body mounts has ever had this problem??? Thanks. __________________ 97 FZJ80, Locked & Loaded, Safari Turbo, Safari Intercooler, LandTank MAF, 3" Ceramic Coated Custom Exhaust, Ron Davis Racing Radiator, OME HD 2.5" Suspension, DBA Slotted Rotors, New Toyota Calipers All Around, Toyota Pads, 33" Revos, ARB Front Bumper, Center Diff Switch, Slee Stuff: Roof Rack, Step Sliders, Skid Plates, SS Brake Lines, DC Drive Shaft. HG PM'd, 8.5psi and climbing, My Rocky Mountain Mojo Mobile!

08-15-05, 08:16 AM	#94
cruiserdan Parts Shaman (per Romer) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where's my glasses? TLCA# 11332 Posts: 14,053	I have not heard of a blade-to-radiator or shroud clearance issue on a vehicle with stock mounting of the fan / vs body. __________________ Original owner 93 FZJ80,locked,blown,water/methanol injected(like a WWII fighter aircraft),lifted,winched,snorkeled,slidered,Sleeed ,moneypit. Balanced on a pin head. 95 FZJ80 trail truck (hers), 94 FZJ80 320K with a knock and a lumpy old Dodge car.

08-15-05, 01:17 PM	#97
Rainy Day FZJ IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bainbridge Island Posts: 250	What is the cost and availability for the 16361-65010 3.0 fan? You stated that the OEM fan is larger in diameter, and slightly closer. Do you have the height measurement difference? do you think that trimming the OEM fan and the shroud would be succesful? __________________ 95 FZJ80 -sold 2004 Dodge 2500 Cummins tow rig 1997 BMW M3 sedan 2005 21' Rampage toy hauler to carry the Honda ATV's

08-15-05, 01:40 PM	#98
cruiserdan Parts Shaman (per Romer) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where's my glasses? TLCA# 11332 Posts: 14,053	You do not want the 16361-65010, that is the ringed fan. The original 1FZ fan (16361-66020) is about 1/4 inch closer to the radiator and about and inch and a half larger in diameter. I do not like the idea of trimming the blades. I do not trust myself to get them even enough. I'm afraid that an un-trimmed 66020 fan would hit the bottom seam of the radiator even with the shroud cut away. The 16361-65020 (no ring 3.0 V6) lists for $98.58 and board members pay $73.93. __________________ Original owner 93 FZJ80,locked,blown,water/methanol injected(like a WWII fighter aircraft),lifted,winched,snorkeled,slidered,Sleeed ,moneypit. Balanced on a pin head. 95 FZJ80 trail truck (hers), 94 FZJ80 320K with a knock and a lumpy old Dodge car.

08-15-05, 04:25 PM	#99
Lockd97 We Have Assumed Control Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 330	*180 trermostat** I know I'm throwing this in late here but I'm running a 180* T-stat and I consistantly see 190-195* temps when warmed up and no closed loop/open loop ecu issues verified by the ecu from the OBDII port (scan tool) and also my Raytek minitem MT4 IR thermometer. I like the temperature margin it affords me. 220* is cutting it awful close. __________________ Scott- 97 40th S/C'd Landtank MAF WBO2 Locked CDL OME 850/860's shocks NITTO's air bags heated seats 98 Tacoma S/C'd w/fuel mods piggyback'd

08-15-05, 09:54 AM	#96
Rich IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,794	It has happened during water crossings. The extra density of water enables the fan to flex into the radiator. Not a typical every day occurence.

08-15-05, 04:37 PM	#100
cruiserdan Parts Shaman (per Romer) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where's my glasses? TLCA# 11332 Posts: 14,053	Where did you get a 180 for a 1FZ? The OEM is 190 and the TRD is 160. __________________ Original owner 93 FZJ80,locked,blown,water/methanol injected(like a WWII fighter aircraft),lifted,winched,snorkeled,slidered,Sleeed ,moneypit. Balanced on a pin head. 95 FZJ80 trail truck (hers), 94 FZJ80 320K with a knock and a lumpy old Dodge car.

08-16-05, 11:50 AM	#102
Tools R Us IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 6,475	Dan, how much clearance is there between the back of the fan and the pulleys? Is the fan still set deep into the shroud? __________________ Kevin Patterson '96 LX450 '84 4x4 Mini '73 FJ40 Copper State Cruisers #007 "We have come to the conclusion that we can run our car over any road that a man can take a team of horses and a wagon, providing we can get traction." Dr. Horatio Nelson Jackson, 1903 Last edited by Tools R Us; 08-16-05 at 11:58 AM.

08-16-05, 01:26 PM	#104
Tools R Us IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 6,475	Fans that run in shrouds are most efficient when the blade ends are centered to the shroud opening, if set too deep they loose some flow. If this setup works I would cut some off the spacer, 1/4 inch maybe? The blades only flex forward, so it can be very close to the pulleys. __________________ Kevin Patterson '96 LX450 '84 4x4 Mini '73 FJ40 Copper State Cruisers #007 "We have come to the conclusion that we can run our car over any road that a man can take a team of horses and a wagon, providing we can get traction." Dr. Horatio Nelson Jackson, 1903

08-16-05, 01:51 PM	#105
cruiserdan Parts Shaman (per Romer) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where's my glasses? TLCA# 11332 Posts: 14,053	Could you define "centered" in a bit more detail please? I would say that about 1/3 of the blade is visible "behind" the trailing edge of the shroud. If I move the blade back towards the engine I will not be able to pivot the tensioner to load the blower belt. __________________ Original owner 93 FZJ80,locked,blown,water/methanol injected(like a WWII fighter aircraft),lifted,winched,snorkeled,slidered,Sleeed ,moneypit. Balanced on a pin head. 95 FZJ80 trail truck (hers), 94 FZJ80 320K with a knock and a lumpy old Dodge car.

08-16-05, 02:31 PM	#106
MTNRAT IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fernie B.C. Posts: 1,133	So Dan, If I read this correctly all I would have to do is order the 16361-65020 and swap it for the ring fan that came with the supercharger kit? Thanks, Sean __________________ 97 lx450, factory lockers, slee springs, 315/75R16 MTR,s,4.88s, supercharged,ARB, m12000, slee rear bumper and tire carrier, slee sliders,

08-16-05, 02:36 PM	#108
MTNRAT IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fernie B.C. Posts: 1,133	Sounds simple. Thanks __________________ 97 lx450, factory lockers, slee springs, 315/75R16 MTR,s,4.88s, supercharged,ARB, m12000, slee rear bumper and tire carrier, slee sliders,

08-16-05, 02:51 PM	#109
Koffer IH8MUD Thread Killer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hopewell NJ Posts: 983	Ok Danny boy Whats the #s on the temp now with the new fan compared to the old ringed one ? You have had this setup for almost a few days now . We want hard facts __________________ Todd 64' FJ40, 79' FJ40,(gone) 86' BJ70, 92' FJ80,(gone) 96' FZJ80 just 3 cruisers now 66'M416 and a 92' M101CND

08-16-05, 06:06 PM	#111
landtank ThinkTank Waterboy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Boston MA Posts: 11,120	my understanding is that air not only moves accross the blade but along it as well. It exits in a conical shape more than a tubular one. The ring on the SC blade basically blocks an exit for the air. __________________ Rick Bigelow '96 215k Groveland MA 01834 If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes

08-19-05, 10:34 AM	#112
Taz Horse Wisperer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Juan Capistrano Posts: 323	cooling results with new fan? C-Dan Has the new fan helped your cooling, now that you have had it on there for a while? Has it helped with the high speed cooling...60mpg plus? We need a conclusion here, you got us all amped up about a possible fix and left us hanging??? Thanks for all you research and input __________________ Mark 97 FJ 80 locked supercharged, 4" slee lift, 37/12.5/17MTR, ARB front bumper, 4x4+ rear bumper, custom 26 gallon aux fuel cell, Slee step sliders, etc. 2005 d-max 3500 stock 2006 WR450F Desert Ready

08-19-05, 12:14 PM	#113
cruiserdan Parts Shaman (per Romer) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where's my glasses? TLCA# 11332 Posts: 14,053	I installed it Sunday and went out on one un-loaded test and have been commuting to work this week. I intend to perform a loaded test this weekend. My inital impression is that the cooling is improved but the loaded test will tell the true tale. I will hook up the boat and toss about 450 lbs of ballast in the cargo area (a few cans of M2 ball sould do the trick ) D- __________________ Original owner 93 FZJ80,locked,blown,water/methanol injected(like a WWII fighter aircraft),lifted,winched,snorkeled,slidered,Sleeed ,moneypit. Balanced on a pin head. 95 FZJ80 trail truck (hers), 94 FZJ80 320K with a knock and a lumpy old Dodge car.

08-19-05, 01:41 PM	#114
LandCruiserPhil IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Scottsdale Arizona Posts: 2,855	Dan have you tried the rising temperature ideal test w/AC on, w/o the electric fan, in the sun, at the hottest part of the day and sitting in the truck listening to Glen Campbell’s - By The Time I Get To Phoenix? __________________ "Knowledge without experience is just information" Copper State Cruisers #003

08-19-05, 02:07 PM	#115
cruiserdan Parts Shaman (per Romer) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where's my glasses? TLCA# 11332 Posts: 14,053	"Try a Little Kindness" actually.......... __________________ Original owner 93 FZJ80,locked,blown,water/methanol injected(like a WWII fighter aircraft),lifted,winched,snorkeled,slidered,Sleeed ,moneypit. Balanced on a pin head. 95 FZJ80 trail truck (hers), 94 FZJ80 320K with a knock and a lumpy old Dodge car.

08-19-05, 03:13 PM	#116
Uncle Ben IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Colorado TLCA# 3007 Posts: 669	__________________ "j**ps make great...traction!" Kevin ehrlick tlca #3Ø07 rising sUn stay on the trail louisville, colorado B '64 fj-40 (wild rice), '97 fzj-80 40th aNniversary (ricecake) ST. FUAW!

09-09-05, 10:05 PM	#117
Kazmanff IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 80	C-Dan, how's the new fan been working out? __________________ '96 LX 450 156K OME 850/863 J's, 285 Toyo's, no locks, shocks, pegs. '92 ES 300 99K Dual Chrome Gofasters, no locks "Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."-Bullettooth Tony

09-09-05, 10:31 PM	#118
smokethedog IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 136	Yeah, I'm interested as well. My truck "started getting hot" this summer on a 105F day, in traffic with ac on. The ac did not cut out, and fortunately I was getting on the interstate, which cooled it back down to the idiot proof normal range on the factory gauge. I'm running factory tstat, have a fan clutch that is coming up on 3 years, and had the the radiator "rodded" ?? out then as well. I plan on doing a flush again before winter hits, and was thinking about installing the different fan and a new fan clutch. I havent had the balls to do the "finger" test. Worth the time and money? Think it will help keep a SC'd engine cooler? thanks, randall __________________ '95 cruzr, arb, winch, ome lift, trd sprchrgr, kamar rear, 156k, and some other useless junk.. Last edited by smokethedog; 09-09-05 at 10:47 PM.

09-09-05, 10:44 PM	#119
Rich IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,794	That would be rodded out.