differences between 95 & 96-97 models

skunkworks · 06-11-05, 09:52 AM

I've looked at many threads on this site and it seems that on late model year 1995 land cruisers there are no differences with 96 & 97 models years. Is this correct? I had originally wanted to purchase a 97 model year but here in Canada we have a 10 year rule with respect to taxes and I have to pay 21% on top of the purchase price to get the car up here. If I was to buy a 95 I can play with the black book pricing (within reason) and save alot of cash. I'm only willing to do this if the 95 is virtually idential to 96-97 years. Can anyone confirm the differences. I need lockers,new dash style,leather and all the trimmings

If I'm getting the same options I would rather go for the 95 and try to find one with lower miles 50-70 k, as I will pay less for it. What are the going prices right now for a 95 in excellent cond.

If anyone can enlighten me on the differences above I would really appreciate it

NorCalDoug · 06-11-05, 10:15 AM

No mechanical differences between 1995, 1996 and 1997 80 series Land Cruisers.
There are some cosmetic (i.e. badging) differences between the model years, but nothing to really be concerned about.

Welecome aboard

Riley · 06-11-05, 10:17 AM

I think the major difference is the OBD. The 96 is OBD-2 but the 95 isn't full OBD-2 compliant. It's like 1.5 or something.

Other than that, I think they are about the same. I like my 95.

PACNW96 · 06-11-05, 10:20 AM

From Sleeoffroad web site:

1995-1997

1996 saw the introduction of the Lexus LX450 Model.
Exhaust system changed from side by side catalytic converters to in-line converters. The exhaust also routes below the frame rail just behind the catalytic converters to avoid excessive heat on the passenger floor-boards.
Front grill changed from the word TOYOTA written across the front to the new Toyota symbol.
Headlight mounts are different from 1991-1994 vs 1995-1997 and will not interchange.
Redesigned dash board with airbags as standard equipment.
Headliner changed to two piece molded units.
Emission system on engine changes. Changed from a Mass Air Pressure meter to a Mass Air Flow meter. Certain plumbing was also removed.
Supercharger & Turbo systems available for 1995-1997 models.
ECU updates and truck became voluntary OBD-II compatible. Fully compatible in 1996 models.
Wheel Lug nuts change from conical to washer type.
Airbags become standard
Automatic transmission changes to the A343F. Some 95's were produced with the A442F. The transmission type is printed on the label on the driver door.
1997 saw the introduction of the 40th Anniversary editions as well as the Collectors Series.
1997 the rear swaybar brackets that attach the bar to the frame were changed from a plate side that attached to the side of the frame to a bracket style that attached to the bottom of the frame.
ABS wires on the front were moved upward and no longer run down the front control arm.
Radiator is a 2 row aluminum

Good luck,

Russell

NorCalDoug · 06-11-05, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PACNW96

...
1997 the rear swaybar brackets that attach the bar to the frame were changed from a plate side that attached to the side of the frame to a bracket style that attached to the bottom of the frame.
...

This would be the only significant difference between a 95/96 and a 97 model listed above. The rest were differences between 93/94 and 95-97 models.

skunkworks · 06-11-05, 11:02 AM

Thanks NorCalDoug and everyone for the replies.

Concerning the trannies are they both equally good. Also the third seat row was available right. I bought a 1997 land cruiser dealer sales catalogue and I'm looking at the standard equipment...its pretty impressive

Now I just have to find one. I was thinking about buying one in FL and driving it up.... I have easy access to rigs in any of the the northern states including and east of Ohio,NY,VT etc... Any of the markets softer than others.

How much should I be looking to pay for a low mile 95.

PACNW96 · 06-11-05, 11:52 AM

Both transmissions are great, but everyone on this board has their opinion which is better. The later transmission has 2nd gear start option, but it's been discussed the earlier transmission is more heavy duty....do some research on this forum and you will see many opinions.

As you will find prices will fluctuate wildly from location to location. In Washington there are a couple low mileage 96' and 97's in the Autotrader going for between 17k-19k, which is quite expensive. Check out Autotrader.com to get an idea of prices in various locations.

Gumby · 06-11-05, 01:19 PM

The smaller transmission is highly desirable, because that's what I have. Bigger is not always better, look at Junk's momma. There is a mid-year changeover. I'm not sure which month it was, mine is a 7/95 with the later trans.

The 95 is not fully OBD-II compliant. That's really the only other difference I have been able to find 95-97. It looks like all the monitors are there, but I have not been able to get some info on the scan tool I should be on a 96.

Lower mileage trucks go WAY up in price. A well maintained 130K is not very scary and can be had for 2/3 the price of a sub-80K rig. ($10K vs. $15K)

I was talking to a re-seller who does a lot of LCs. He sells a lot from up here and ships them down south.

General · 06-11-05, 02:31 PM

Interesting thread....I heard (and read in one off-road tech article) that the '97 has a stainless steel exhaust. I have not been able to verify it though.....

Bear80 · 06-11-05, 11:45 PM

There is a difference in the springs and heights of the springs. The front springs on a '95 are shorter than that of a '97. The rear depends on god knows what.

Just thought I'd add this here, but I'm going to start a new thread about the diff in springs.

cruiserdan · 06-12-05, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by General

Interesting thread....I heard (and read in one off-road tech article) that the '97 has a stainless steel exhaust. I have not been able to verify it though.....

Not restricted to 97 and not a non-ferrous stainless, IE they still get a surface corrosion.

OZCAL · 06-12-05, 04:53 PM

Welcome Skunkworks

Is that a Lockheed reference?

Guys are there differences between Canadian models and US models? I know there are all sorts of differences between US and OZ trucks in the same model year.

David

cruiserdan · 06-12-05, 08:35 PM

Canada never got new 80 series "Land Cruisers" only Lexus LX 450's

That is a bit of a pay-back because we never got BJ70's....

aamiggia · 06-13-05, 07:38 AM

All of the CDN LX450's came with factory lockers. I think the only option was the roof rack, rear wind deflector, and the tow hitch. Oh, and the over priced built-in cell phone.

Also, all CDN models have daytime running lights.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cruiserdan

That is a bit of a pay-back because we never got BJ70's....

We're one ahead because we also never got the

100 series

skunkworks · 06-13-05, 08:49 PM

Is that a Lockheed reference?

yes

semlin · 06-13-05, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cruiserdan

Canada never got new 80 series "Land Cruisers" only Lexus LX 450's

That is a bit of a pay-back because we never got BJ70's....

Dan strictly speaking I don't think you americans have ever had any BJs at all.

Which is a shame

in more ways than one

arbetrader · 05-27-07, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aamiggia

All of the CDN LX450's came with factory lockers. I think the only option was the roof rack, rear wind deflector, and the tow hitch. Oh, and the over priced built-in cell phone.

Also, all CDN models have daytime running lights.

We're one ahead because we also never got the

100 series

Really? I could have sworn that I've seen canadian lx's w/o factory lockers...

06-11-05, 09:52 AM	#1
skunkworks IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 101	differences between 95 & 96-97 models I've looked at many threads on this site and it seems that on late model year 1995 land cruisers there are no differences with 96 & 97 models years. Is this correct? I had originally wanted to purchase a 97 model year but here in Canada we have a 10 year rule with respect to taxes and I have to pay 21% on top of the purchase price to get the car up here. If I was to buy a 95 I can play with the black book pricing (within reason) and save alot of cash. I'm only willing to do this if the 95 is virtually idential to 96-97 years. Can anyone confirm the differences. I need lockers,new dash style,leather and all the trimmings If I'm getting the same options I would rather go for the 95 and try to find one with lower miles 50-70 k, as I will pay less for it. What are the going prices right now for a 95 in excellent cond. If anyone can enlighten me on the differences above I would really appreciate it Last edited by skunkworks; 12-25-07 at 09:27 PM.

06-11-05, 10:15 AM	#2
NorCalDoug I Solve Problems... Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: uhhhh...duh...Northern CA TLCA# yes, I have one Posts: 4,990	No mechanical differences between 1995, 1996 and 1997 80 series Land Cruisers. There are some cosmetic (i.e. badging) differences between the model years, but nothing to really be concerned about. Welecome aboard __________________ a couple pairs of pink panties... Another convert to the Church of Latter Day Swank, a sub-cult of Shahrislam "...Opportunity doesn't knock, you have to kick the fuckin door in and drag the bitch out screamin." -- Ullr "I have more respect for people who change their views after acquiring new information than for those who cling to views they held thirty years ago. The world changes. Ideologues and zealots don't." - Michael Crichton Buy TEQ Bottle Openers

06-11-05, 10:17 AM	#3
Riley IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fort Langley, BC Posts: 1,444	I think the major difference is the OBD. The 96 is OBD-2 but the 95 isn't full OBD-2 compliant. It's like 1.5 or something. Other than that, I think they are about the same. I like my 95. __________________ 95 locked FZJ80 - 851/860, Outback rack, MTRs & sliders. 06 IS250 - 6 speed manual, RWD

06-11-05, 10:20 AM	#4
PACNW96 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 283	From Sleeoffroad web site: 1995-1997 1996 saw the introduction of the Lexus LX450 Model. Exhaust system changed from side by side catalytic converters to in-line converters. The exhaust also routes below the frame rail just behind the catalytic converters to avoid excessive heat on the passenger floor-boards. Front grill changed from the word TOYOTA written across the front to the new Toyota symbol. Headlight mounts are different from 1991-1994 vs 1995-1997 and will not interchange. Redesigned dash board with airbags as standard equipment. Headliner changed to two piece molded units. Emission system on engine changes. Changed from a Mass Air Pressure meter to a Mass Air Flow meter. Certain plumbing was also removed. Supercharger & Turbo systems available for 1995-1997 models. ECU updates and truck became voluntary OBD-II compatible. Fully compatible in 1996 models. Wheel Lug nuts change from conical to washer type. Airbags become standard Automatic transmission changes to the A343F. Some 95's were produced with the A442F. The transmission type is printed on the label on the driver door. 1997 saw the introduction of the 40th Anniversary editions as well as the Collectors Series. 1997 the rear swaybar brackets that attach the bar to the frame were changed from a plate side that attached to the side of the frame to a bracket style that attached to the bottom of the frame. ABS wires on the front were moved upward and no longer run down the front control arm. Radiator is a 2 row aluminum Good luck, Russell __________________ 96' FZJ80 - Moonglow with Grey Interior, ARB Front Bumper, OME 861/862, CDL, Hella 500 Fogs, HIR's, OEM Cup Holder - Purchased from original owner with 77K-(12/04) 04' WRX, Modified - 292HP/319LB-FT "John 3:16"

06-11-05, 11:02 AM	#6
skunkworks IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 101	Thanks NorCalDoug and everyone for the replies. Concerning the trannies are they both equally good. Also the third seat row was available right. I bought a 1997 land cruiser dealer sales catalogue and I'm looking at the standard equipment...its pretty impressive Now I just have to find one. I was thinking about buying one in FL and driving it up.... I have easy access to rigs in any of the the northern states including and east of Ohio,NY,VT etc... Any of the markets softer than others. How much should I be looking to pay for a low mile 95. Last edited by skunkworks; 12-25-07 at 09:28 PM.

06-11-05, 11:52 AM	#7
PACNW96 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 283	Both transmissions are great, but everyone on this board has their opinion which is better. The later transmission has 2nd gear start option, but it's been discussed the earlier transmission is more heavy duty....do some research on this forum and you will see many opinions. As you will find prices will fluctuate wildly from location to location. In Washington there are a couple low mileage 96' and 97's in the Autotrader going for between 17k-19k, which is quite expensive. Check out Autotrader.com to get an idea of prices in various locations. __________________ 96' FZJ80 - Moonglow with Grey Interior, ARB Front Bumper, OME 861/862, CDL, Hella 500 Fogs, HIR's, OEM Cup Holder - Purchased from original owner with 77K-(12/04) 04' WRX, Modified - 292HP/319LB-FT "John 3:16"

06-11-05, 01:19 PM	#8
Gumby Former Wheeler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Knee deep in hookers and gin TLCA# 5658 Posts: 4,968	The smaller transmission is highly desirable, because that's what I have. Bigger is not always better, look at Junk's momma. There is a mid-year changeover. I'm not sure which month it was, mine is a 7/95 with the later trans. The 95 is not fully OBD-II compliant. That's really the only other difference I have been able to find 95-97. It looks like all the monitors are there, but I have not been able to get some info on the scan tool I should be on a 96. Lower mileage trucks go WAY up in price. A well maintained 130K is not very scary and can be had for 2/3 the price of a sub-80K rig. ($10K vs. $15K) I was talking to a re-seller who does a lot of LCs. He sells a lot from up here and ships them down south. __________________ War Pig and Cerdito "Don't you know, Stan, it's *always* between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich."

06-11-05, 02:31 PM	#9
General IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: WV Posts: 55	What about the exhaust?? Interesting thread....I heard (and read in one off-road tech article) that the '97 has a stainless steel exhaust. I have not been able to verify it though.....

06-11-05, 11:45 PM	#10
Bear80 Ante up to an 80 series! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: San Antonio, TEXAS TLCA# 14779 Posts: 2,443	There is a difference in the springs and heights of the springs. The front springs on a '95 are shorter than that of a '97. The rear depends on god knows what. Just thought I'd add this here, but I'm going to start a new thread about the diff in springs. __________________ 40th FZJ80 - Range Rover Recovery Vehicle Alamo City Land Cruisers -Benjamin-

06-12-05, 04:53 PM	#12
OZCAL IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Queensland Posts: 1,000 Blog Entries: 1	Welcome Skunkworks Is that a Lockheed reference? Guys are there differences between Canadian models and US models? I know there are all sorts of differences between US and OZ trucks in the same model year. David __________________ OZ - '97 80, 269,000 k's (Australian GXL) RHD, subtank, CDL, hand throttle, steel wheels w/Dueler 285/75/16s, cloth seats; dual batts, George's LEDs, Yakima rack CAL - '97 LX 450, 136,000 miles (US spec) stock + CDL, George's LEDs.

06-12-05, 08:35 PM	#13
cruiserdan Parts Shaman (per Romer) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Physical inventory prep. I'm edgy TLCA# 11332 Posts: 13,907	Canada never got new 80 series "Land Cruisers" only Lexus LX 450's That is a bit of a pay-back because we never got BJ70's.... __________________ Original owner 93 FZJ80,locked,blown,water/methanol injected(like a WWII fighter aircraft),lifted,winched,snorkeled,slidered,Sleeed ,moneypit. Balanced on a pin head. 95 FZJ80 trail truck (hers), 94 FZJ80 320K with a knock and a lumpy old Dodge car.

06-13-05, 08:49 PM	#15
skunkworks IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 101	Is that a Lockheed reference? yes

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