bilstein/koni shock options and dimensions collected

[drexx]

26Jul2005 (UTC +8)

Originally Posted by RavenTai

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so from above the OEM's are 22.4", the bilsteins are 23.3", for a difference of .9", I got 2" diffrence, where did the other 1.1" come from? ...

Did you ever figure this one out?

[RavenTai]

Originally Posted by drexx

26Jul2005 (UTC +8)



Did you ever figure this one out?

It has to be the larger bushings.

[Grouseman]

I got some Bilsteins for my 4-Runner that I haven't put on yet. Will let you know asap.

GM

[santiagol]

Raven, I replaced my original OEM shocks with Bilsteins as per their application table and it was a perfect fit. Removing the old ones was a bear because my friendly neighborhood mechanic fixed a rattling noise (the rubber bushings had crumbled away) by tightening the shock nuts all the way in, I had to destroy the nuts to remove. The Bilsteins ride very well.

[Montana Cruiser]

Originally Posted by santiagol

Raven, I replaced my original OEM shocks with Bilsteins as per their application table and it was a perfect fit. Removing the old ones was a bear because my friendly neighborhood mechanic fixed a rattling noise (the rubber bushings had crumbled away) by tightening the shock nuts all the way in, I had to destroy the nuts to remove. The Bilsteins ride very well.

Are you running any kind of lift spring with the Bilsteins?

[santiagol]

No lifts.

[Grouseman]

Great thread,

Well I just got thru putting Bilsteins on my 4-Runner front. They are fantastic. I also just replaced the OEM with OEM shocks on the 96' Cruiser. I think I should have put the Bilsteins on the front. The truck has 135K miles on it. It seems everybody thinks you should replace coil springs by that time too.
Comments? The ride was improved with the OEM shocks on the Cruiser, but could be better. So what you guys are saying I could use a Bilstein shock with the original springs, and then change out the springs later with a 2" Coil springs lift (OME) and still use the Bilsteins shocks that I changed out?

SS

[Grouseman]

ttt

[ats4x4dotcom]

Ahhhhhhhhhh

two things here

You dont have our personal Aus part No for Bilstiens to suit 80 or 100

You dont have our custom bilstiens to suit 4" lift for 80 or 100

Bilstiens velocity controlled valving has a floating piston, so they are 20mm shorter stroke for the same length as other shocks, but the shock auto adjusts its valving dependent on piston speed, so you get the best shock fully loaded, empty, fast, or slow.

I used to use Koni, until i started using Bilstien 5 years ago.

[Grouseman]

ATS,

If I do a lift it would only be a 2" lift. Without the lift could I put a set of Bilsteins on the front with original equipment springs, and then put a 2" lift on later, and keep the same Bilsteins?

SS

Bilsteins RULE.....

[semlin]

Originally Posted by ats4x4dotcom

Ahhhhhhhhhh

two things here

You dont have our personal Aus part No for Bilstiens to suit 80 or 100

You dont have our custom bilstiens to suit 4" lift for 80 or 100

Bilstiens velocity controlled valving has a floating piston, so they are 20mm shorter stroke for the same length as other shocks, but the shock auto adjusts its valving dependent on piston speed, so you get the best shock fully loaded, empty, fast, or slow.

I used to use Koni, until i started using Bilstien 5 years ago.

well i have exactly what Bilstein Australia would give me. Thjey did not even hint at the existence of what you mention. If you have p/n#s or proven dimensions and valving specs, it would be great if you were willing to share it. Bilstein USA will make up custom shocks to order here if you know what you want. To be honest, given oz pricing I don't think there is any chance of selling your products direct to north americans for whom this post was prepared if you are a vendor.

One other comment. I'm not sure if you are a vendor, but I spent quite a lot of time looking at aussie vendor sites trying to find details. I've noticed that most aussie vendors are extremly stingy on their internet sites with actual part #s and dimensions for their suspension products. All they will give you is the final lift and some vague sounding ad copy about how good their stuff is. I guess that's the way it is done is australia but to me it is like buying magic beans.

[ats4x4dotcom]

Originally Posted by semlin

well i have exactly what Bilstein Australia would give me. Thjey did not even hint at the existence of what you mention.

Well, I would say they simply gave you what you asked for.

Originally Posted by semlin

If you have p/n#s or proven dimensions and valving specs, it would be great if you were willing to share it. Bilstein USA will make up custom shocks to order here if you know what you want.

Yeah, Ill just give you all our hard work, and let you get it copied :flipoff:

Are we a 4x4 business, yes, do we export, yes, did i take the time to answer your question on the possibilites, yes, was it the answer you wanted on your research,

it would appear not.......

[semlin]

Originally Posted by ats4x4dotcom

Well, I would say they simply gave you what you asked for.

Yeah, Ill just give you all our hard work, and let you get it copied :flipoff: .

Why are you trying to pick a fight with me and run down the research I did? For a vendor, you are acting like a troll. It sounds like you have a useful product that would be of interest to folks here but I find I'm not really interested in getting past the attitude to find out about it.

I "asked" Bilstein Australia for any information they had about shocks for lifted 80s. Here is their response:

> We have no problems with 1477 & 1478 with 2 inch lift. These part
> numbers could be rerated or revalved for heavier equipment you carry. We
> have no specific part numbers for anything higher, they are custom made.
> Sorry I can't help, I would have thought Bilstein US could do
> something custom at reasonable prices.

So I took the advice there were "no specific part numbers" and the words "custom made" to mean there was nothing else but one offs. They didn't tell me there was such a thing as a "private part number" or hint at the existence of (or provide referals to) Bilstein vendors who do limited production runs like you. Funny, as it would have been in their interests to tell me.

So no, it appears they didn't tell me what I asked for. Nor could I have figured it out from you. Apart from a bilstein logo, your website tells me nothing whatever about your custom Bilstein shocks or even that they exist, and does not have an email inquiry contact. No one recommended or mentioned your company on the Oz 4x4 bulletin boards I went to (I searched the archives on "bilstein" and "koni", read all the posts, and then registered and asked questions). Your site did not and does not show up on a google australia search on "4x4" and "bilstein".

Also, if you don't want to share any technical information about your shocks, that is your prerogative, but this is a technical post in a technical forum about 80s so I asked because that's what I was obviously after and that is what posts here are supposed to contain. There is no need to get shirty. You chose to post here in tech, not me. If you just wanted to advertise the existence of your products there is a manufacturer's section to this forum.

I understand you are in a competitive environment in australia, but vendors in north america are too and they seem to be able to do business without holding their cards so close to their chest or being assholes. Good luck to you.

[ductape]

Man, well said Semlin

what a hassle to try to find alternatives to OME shocks...

I still want to give a try to the 1477/1478 Billys anyhow, but this I am not sharing because I don't want to lose any sales is ridiculous. I will try them with the 850/860 OME springs pretty soon.

You could have told us what they are, give us a decent price on it and we might have bought them from you, but not with that kind of attitude.

[ats4x4dotcom]

Originally Posted by semlin

Why are you trying to pick a fight with me and run down the research I did?

I thought this was the problem, given your attitude, when i replied, thats why I mentioned about it not being the answer you were looking for, sorry i couldnt pat you on the back, because your research wasnt complete, because something didnt come up on the net

My post simply told you there were more options, what you do with that info is up to you, good luck with your research.

[semlin]

you "thought" wrong and reading my first reply again I don't see how you drew that inference. you might want to take a look at the chip on your own shoulder because it's weighing you down.

[landtank]

So ats4x4dotcom, how would someone go about getting more info about the shocks you are reffering to? Such as cost to get them here in the states. I just ordered a set of 4" springs and need to get some shocks to go along with them.

[ats4x4dotcom]

Originally Posted by semlin

you "thought" wrong and reading my first reply again I don't see how you drew that inference. you might want to take a look at the chip on your own shoulder because it's weighing you down.

Just because you cant see it in your own post, doesnt mean it wasnt there, and your wording of your replies seems to work against what your trying to twist around here, no chips here, only shocks and other products.

Good luck with your research, hope you get it figured out before you purchase.

[ats4x4dotcom]

Originally Posted by landtank

So ats4x4dotcom, how would someone go about getting more info about the shocks you are reffering to? Such as cost to get them here in the states. I just ordered a set of 4" springs and need to get some shocks to go along with them.

Easy,
email me

darren@ats4x4.com

[semlin]

Originally Posted by ats4x4dotcom

Just because you cant see it in your own post, doesnt mean it wasnt there, and your wording of your replies seems to work against what your trying to twist around here, no chips here, only shocks and other products.

Good luck with your research, hope you get it figured out before you purchase.

bullshit! you've read it again and realized you can't back up what you said. you just don't have the balls to apologize.

[ats4x4dotcom]

Originally Posted by semlin

bullshit! you've read it again and realized you can't back up what you said. you just don't have the balls to apologize.

The defense rests, your honour......

[semlin]

Originally Posted by ats4x4dotcom

The defense rests, your honour......

What defence is that Darren? Good defence counsel will tell you that blustering and pretending the prosecution has a bad case and hoping the jury will buy it is a last resort strategy. I'm still waiting for you to back up your contention that my first post in reply to you justified your obnoxious insulting reply, and I have no doubt I'll be waiting forever.

[e9999]

how about you guys keep this outside, I don't think this is adding anything to the forum anymore...

[ats4x4dotcom]

Originally Posted by semlin

What defence is that Darren? Good defence counsel will tell you that blustering and pretending the prosecution has a bad case and hoping the jury will buy it is a last resort strategy. I'm still waiting for you to back up your contention that my first post in reply to you justified your obnoxious insulting reply, and I have no doubt I'll be waiting forever.

Semlin, maybe you could change your screen name to Chubby Checker?

"twisten, twisten, twisten the thread away......."