Exhausts for 80-series?

baktasht · 08-05-09, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by fzjconvert

I'll drive for SS! My aunt lives on SE Mill St. is that anywhere near the fab shop? If you don't find anyone closer let me know!

It would take me a week or so before I am able to hit the road but , I am willing to do it!

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Originally Posted by HEFE

I would be interested but what is the price?

Shoot me a PM and we can go over the details.

PabloVTA · 08-05-09, 04:23 PM

I'm willing....

it's just that I'm a 2 day drive south of you.
Try the local club, or the guys at MT.

I'd almost make that drive just to drink the Deschutes....

landtank · 08-05-09, 05:23 PM

interested in a SS 3" one for a 1FZ-FE setup for a turbo

retrofive · 08-05-09, 05:51 PM

I put the word out here in So. Oregon (JSC club). Don't have the funds personal :(

Salue · 08-05-09, 11:27 PM

I'm up in the Seattle area but might be willing to make the drive down there if the price is right.

Will send you a PM.

Salue

Marco7 · 08-06-09, 02:59 AM

For the 3FE guys, you can get bosals: both cats, muffler & pipe for around $790 from rock auto.
If you go with Eastern Cats instead of bosals, you'll save about $300 of that cost.

I have no idea what s/h would be.

baktasht · 08-06-09, 05:46 AM

For anyone in the OR/WA area willing to drive to the fab shop in the Portland area wanting to be one of the first few and drop their truck off shoot me a PM. Replied to everyone's PM's so far.

calfj60 · 08-06-09, 08:01 AM

Following this with interest....

baktasht · 08-06-09, 08:32 AM

replied to everyone's PM's.

Alberta Joe · 08-06-09, 08:38 PM

hmm...this could get interesting! Subscribed

VanGo · 08-07-09, 05:55 AM

Keep us posted with PICS and PRICE.

Skillet · 08-07-09, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by baktasht

Don't really want to use a muffler shop if there's already one on the market.

why?

I had my local muffler guy put one in for me, charged me $150 total and did a beautiful job with a low profile muffler that sounds great and a bit of re-routing for more clearance...

just saying, you may pay a lot more for a lot less with off-the-shelf items.

baktasht · 08-07-09, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Skillet

why?

I had my local muffler guy put one in for me, charged me $150 total and did a beautiful job with a low profile muffler that sounds great and a bit of re-routing for more clearance...

just saying, you may pay a lot more for a lot less with off-the-shelf items.

$150 doesnt even pay for cost of materials on the PIPE alone if you use proper mandrel bends. If you have a hookup from a guy thats not charging you for what he should be charging you for that's different. Even with crush bent mild steel pipe, any local shop here would charge around 700 or more for something rigged together.

Skillet · 08-07-09, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by baktasht

$150 doesnt even pay for cost of materials on the PIPE alone if you use proper mandrel bends. If you have a hookup from a guy thats not charging you for what he should be charging you for that's different. Even with crush bent mild steel pipe, any local shop here would charge around 700 or more for something rigged together.

Well, the guy is not like a big pal-o-mine or anything so I don't know why he would be cutting me a deal.

He used good, oversized tubing, and what seems to be a decent muffler. Sits up tight and beefy custom hangers. It is not all shiny and pretty but I am going to smash it up anyhow.

He also did a very custom deal on my 40 and billed me $185 for that.

Still rolling strong on that one for 6 years.

Don't know where you live but the muffler guys sound more like proctologists...

baktasht · 08-07-09, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Skillet

Well, the guy is not like a big pal-o-mine or anything so I don't know why he would be cutting me a deal.

He used good, oversized tubing, and what seems to be a decent muffler. Sits up tight and beefy custom hangers. It is not all shiny and pretty but I am going to smash it up anyhow.

He also did a very custom deal on my 40 and billed me $185 for that.

Still rolling strong on that one for 6 years.

Don't know where you live but the muffler guys sound more like proctologists...

Not really much point to this conversation except for pointless back and forth, etc... But just think of this, a decent muffler costs around $80-100 just for the muffler itself. That's before piping, welding time/labor, or any flanges. sub $200 exhaust for a landcruiser just isn't reality for the majority of folks that don't have access to free labor, free/used parts, and someone demanding good quality and fit. If you just want something to carry the exhaust gasses from the front to the back and dont care about quality, fit, or look, I'm sure you can put something together for under $50 from junkyard pipes/flanges/mufflers.

Skillet · 08-07-09, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by baktasht

Not really much point to this conversation except for pointless back and forth, etc... But just think of this, a decent muffler costs around $80-100 just for the muffler itself. That's before piping, welding time/labor, or any flanges. sub $200 exhaust for a landcruiser just isn't reality for the majority of folks that don't have access to free labor, free/used parts, and someone demanding good quality and fit. If you just want something to carry the exhaust gasses from the front to the back and dont care about quality, fit, or look, I'm sure you can put something together for under $50 from junkyard pipes/flanges/mufflers.

good luck.

VanGo · 08-07-09, 09:23 AM

Don't know where you live but the muffler guys sound more like proctologists...

Skillet are you going for a sig line?

Skillet · 08-07-09, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by VanGo

Skillet are you going for a sig line?

not trying, but I have ended up on a few.

whether that is good or bad, I have yet to figure out.

baktasht · 08-10-09, 08:41 AM

So far many many people contacting me for info, but nobody has confirmed 100% that they'll be going forward with it yet. I'll give it another 2 weeks. If nobody steps up by then in the Portland area we'll just have to make the first few sets here in Austin, TX. I'll keep you guys updates. There will more than likely be a few different versions of the exhaust.

* 3f normally aspirated (2.5" mandrel bent)
* 3f forced induction (3" mandrel bent)
* 1f normally aspirated (2.5" mandrel bent)
* 1f forced induction (3" mandrel bent)
* might be 2 different versions for the 1f to accomodate for the pre 95 and post 95 versions

* We'll try to keep the highflow catalytic converter in the stock location to allow use of existing cat armor that comes with some sliders
* We might have two separate "tailpipe" sections. One with a single exit in stock location, and another with dual exit for looks if there's you guys actually want it
* The exhausts WILL be dyno tested to show real gains

One question, does anyone care for an additional piece that can be attached/detached when needed to allow an exhaust "stack" to keep the exhaust out up high and out of the mud when needed? It would be an easy addition if we put it into the design from the beginning. Might be harder to do if we add it in later.

snafubar · 08-13-09, 05:03 PM

any idea when these may be available?
my entire exhaust system is a piece of

baktasht · 08-15-09, 08:50 PM

Just replied to everyone's PM's and emails.

snafubar,
Final retail cost has not been determined yet. It will be kept as low as possible without sacrificing quality, design or flow characteristics. But keep in mind that we're not aiming for "cheap", our goal with all of our products is to keep the best design characteristics, but we also do not charge a premium either, like some other companies do. At this point I can say for sure that a full blow exhaust with high flow catalytic convertor, high flow muffler, stainless steel mandrel bent piping and all will be under $1k. With that said, we will also try and offer the exhaust with various setups/options. We will offer it as a "catback", so that you can keep the stock catalytic convertor. We will offer it with mild steel piping. We will offer it with or without chrome tips, etc... So the price can be much much lower as well depending on which options you want to go with. But again, our goal is maximum performance on this

baktasht · 08-19-09, 06:25 PM

Things are moving along. Have 4 folks possibly volunteering for the initial build. One person is dropping their car of on Friday, the rest are still to be determined. Hope to have some initial pictures of the prototype(s) next week for you guys.

One question for everyone. Is the option for a detachable "stack" that can be attached/removed on days you go mudding or crawling through creeks something any of you guys want? The only reason for this would be to keep your exhaust out of the water so you won't stall out. Let me know ya'lls opinions on this one.

Ebag333 · 08-19-09, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by baktasht

Things are moving along. Have 4 folks possibly volunteering for the initial build. One person is dropping their car of on Friday, the rest are still to be determined. Hope to have some initial pictures of the prototype(s) next week for you guys.

My truck! Gone a whole week!

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Originally Posted by baktasht

One question for everyone. Is the option for a detachable "stack" that can be attached/removed on days you go mudding or crawling through creeks something any of you guys want? The only reason for this would be to keep your exhaust out of the water so you won't stall out. Let me know ya'lls opinions on this one.

I regularly bury my truck in the water when launching/pulling my boat out at the ramp. Even with the exhaust well submerged, I've left it running for quite some time without any issues.

Mud could possible be a problem, but I think you'd have to try real hard to plug it up.

Didn't Mythbusters bust the myth that a potato jammed in a tailpipe would cause it to stall?

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Car caper 1: veggies/fruit in tailpipe
They shoved potatoes and bananas up the tailpipe of Earl the caddy to see if they could break its engine. In all their tests the potato/banana came shooting out quite easily. busted

I don't think it's really needed. The only thing I can think of is that if it exits fairly high it'd be easier for folks to have it exit through their bumper or out the side, if they wanted that.

baktasht · 08-19-09, 07:17 PM

Ebag333, Very good point on the mythbusters. We'll mark that off of the to-do list then. On the exit point of the exhaust. I haven't had anyone request an exit other than the stock location but we can very easily have it exit to the side before or after the rear tire. We could also do dual exits out the back (mainly for looks). Or we could do an exit under the truck somewhere so that the exit is not even seen. What do you guys prefer?

phxtlc · 08-19-09, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by alkaline747trio

Are us 3FE guys not gonna get any purdy exhaust?

Purdy on a 17 year old truck = no holes

. Honestly I don't think us 3FE guys would see much difference anyway. When I get to it I'll probably go the single cat and magnaflow route on mine mostly to be able to rotate the cat 90 degree and gain a little clearance and be able to fab some sliders a bit easier (since nobody shows us love for those either).

alkaline747trio · 08-19-09, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by baktasht

Ebag333, Very good point on the mythbusters. We'll mark that off of the to-do list then. On the exit point of the exhaust. I haven't had anyone request an exit other than the stock location but we can very easily have it exit to the side before or after the rear tire. We could also do dual exits out the back (mainly for looks). Or we could do an exit under the truck somewhere so that the exit is not even seen. What do you guys prefer?

Unseen dump before the DS tire for a 3FE please. 3" single.

alkaline747trio · 08-19-09, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by phxtlc

Purdy on a 17 year old truck = no holes

. Honestly I don't think us 3FE guys would see much difference anyway. When I get to it I'll probably go the single cat and magnaflow route on mine mostly to be able to rotate the cat 90 degree and gain a little clearance and be able to fab some sliders a bit easier (since nobody shows us love for those either).

Never any love...I'm used to it.

Ebag333 · 08-19-09, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by baktasht

On the exit point of the exhaust. I haven't had anyone request an exit other than the stock location but we can very easily have it exit to the side before or after the rear tire. We could also do dual exits out the back (mainly for looks). Or we could do an exit under the truck somewhere so that the exit is not even seen. What do you guys prefer?

Dual 1.5" tubes back, removing the Y pipe so you get the 3 cylinders per exhaust effect.

Unless you're doing that, dual exits out the back are kinda lame. Function over form, IMHO.

I dislike exiting under the truck merely because I don't want exhaust anywhere near me. Guess that comes from being the son of a firefighter.

toyman317 · 08-20-09, 04:56 AM

Exhaust under the truck might also promote rust.

baktasht · 08-20-09, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by phxtlc

Purdy on a 17 year old truck = no holes

. Honestly I don't think us 3FE guys would see much difference anyway. When I get to it I'll probably go the single cat and magnaflow route on mine mostly to be able to rotate the cat 90 degree and gain a little clearance and be able to fab some sliders a bit easier (since nobody shows us love for those either).

All depends on who you're asking and how well they take care of their ride. Personally I don't care if what I drive is 1 year old or 40 years old. I take care of it as if it is brand new

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Originally Posted by alkaline747trio

Unseen dump before the DS tire for a 3FE please. 3" single.

Unless you're supercharged or turbocharged 3" will lose torque over a good 2.5" setup. I'll keep the dump location in mind.

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Originally Posted by Ebag333

Dual 1.5" tubes back, removing the Y pipe so you get the 3 cylinders per exhaust effect.

Unless you're doing that, dual exits out the back are kinda lame. Function over form, IMHO.

I dislike exiting under the truck merely because I don't want exhaust anywhere near me. Guess that comes from being the son of a firefighter.

Dual 2.25" with an "xpipe" section in the middle and then dual 2.5" from there back with with some 3.25" tips would be ideal and would perform very well. But I can tell you now that 99% of the people here would not be willing to pay for it. It would require twice as much pipe, twice as many mufflers/cats and would be a little more tricky to keep all the ground clearance. The performance difference between that and a 2.5" setup all the way back would be very minor on our trucks as well, unless you're on a forced induction setup. And if you are then you'd want to be on a 3"-4" setup.

So far it sounds like the single, over the frame, 2.5" setup is still the most viable route to go for the general population of the forum. Ebag333, any preferences on the exit location? Others?