Rear cargo light, tieing into existing wiring....

Arya Ebrahimi · 12-09-04, 01:13 PM

Ok, I was looking at the EWD the other night, and it appears there should be a wire for a rear cargo light assembly in the ceiling just inside the rear gate. I really feel the light is lacking back there, so I was thinking of getting another dome-light assembly from cruiserparts.net and adding it there. Can anyone confirm that the wiring is in fact there, and if it recieves the signals that the other domes do? i.e. door open or shut. I'd love to be able to just poke a hole in the headliner, wire up the light assembly, and attach it to the ceiling somehow. Has anyone does this before, and is it documented anywhere? I did a brief search, but didn't come up with anything. Thanks

Ary

reffug · 12-09-04, 02:02 PM

Yep I can confirm it and yep it has been done.

sjcruiser · 12-09-04, 02:20 PM

Love the idea!!! any chance for a complete write up ?

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Originally Posted by reffug

Yep I can confirm it and yep it has been done.

Arya Ebrahimi · 12-09-04, 03:16 PM

details man, details!

concretejungle · 12-09-04, 03:23 PM

Wouldn't George's LED work in the existing one and should provide ample light? That way you gear queers wouldn't have to add more stuff to a perfect truck.

clownmidget · 12-09-04, 03:53 PM

I've started this project after seeing George's write-up and asked Dan about it too. Dan told me that the light housing is in the rear most cargo area when the 3rd row seats option was not chosen. I think, IIRC, that in those cases the one over the 2nd row seats was absent. So there is a different light housing for that rear cargo area that is an oem part. Dan feel free to chime in and set it straight. The thing I remember, and hence my stalled progress, is that it would only hold a single dome (or replacement LED) and that wasn't enough light back there for me.
Mike

reffug · 12-09-04, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sjcruiser

Love the idea!!! any chance for a complete write up ?

I guess that could be done if I would get off my lazy ass and write it up, only problem there is time.

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Originally Posted by Ary

details man, details!

OK, some details, yes the wires are there, at least they were on my 93. Toyota sells this truck with the cargo area light equiped in it, as far as I know, everywhere else in the frickin world except here.

Just one more thing that I guess they think us Americans don't need. Basically you can use a stock Toyota light just light the one that already exists behind the drivers seats for the rear. Anyway let me rack my small brain and if more detail comes to mind I will post later, or if you have specific questions shottz, I mean shoot.

nasty habit · 12-09-04, 04:33 PM

It is on the 80's cool site. http://www.safari4x4.com.au/80scool/tech/int-lamp.htm

loquito · 12-09-04, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nasty habit

It is on the 80's cool site. http://www.safari4x4.com.au/80scool/tech/int-lamp.htm

nice link.

this should go into the Bang for the Buck Mod thread that's in the FAQ
Steven

IBCRUSN · 12-09-04, 05:16 PM

I agree that the cargo area lighting is lack luster. I am working on a setup that uses the speaker cutouts and LEDs. I'm shooting for a 3W LED on each side ans a switch that operates the same as normal dome lights. I have the drawing done I just need to have them punched out. I will post pics once I have more info.

Kris

Arya Ebrahimi · 12-09-04, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by concretejungle

Wouldn't George's LED work in the existing one and should provide ample light? That way you gear queers wouldn't have to add more stuff to a perfect truck.

Alex, I have George's LEDs in both dome lights and the light in the cargo area still sucks. I was thinking of adding little lights behind the speaker grills on the sides since those speakers no longer work in my truck, but in the long run, this will be easier and cheaper.

reffug, how did you find the wires, i.e. did you have to drop the headliner, or what? Also is there a set of captured nuts or something that the light screws into in the structure of the truck, or does it just secure to the headliner itself? Thanks

Ary

DRTDuck · 12-16-04, 02:55 PM

I don't remember where I say someone do this, here or the previous board, but it was a great idea. These flouescents can be found at boating stores or probably some van/rv place also.

It wires just the same as described above, the flourescent is good because of such a low amp draw.

After seeing the above post I wish I had thought of doing a factory light with one of George's Lexan's but oh well.

Here's my install.

reffug · 12-16-04, 03:02 PM

Well on mine its just the stock toyota light, and I used sheet metal screws. Have ment to go back and use nutserts but since the sheet metal screws work ok its on to other things.

alia176 · 12-16-04, 03:08 PM

The above link said that the new light activates when "any" door is open. Is this true for US spec FZJ80s? If so, could this be tied into the two dome lights and the map light? That way all of them light up when any door is open. Assuming of course you'd have to cut the switched wire to each light that is coming from the door switches.

cruiserdan · 12-16-04, 03:17 PM

There is a dome lamp wire pair bundled in the rear roof wire that goes up the LH pillar. It is folded up and taped to the harness and is right in the uppermost rear corner. When cut free it reaches not quite halfway across the rear sill. An inspection of the rear sill leads me to believe that the OEM lamp is to the left-of-center of the vehicle. There is a flat surface in that spot but it is not relief-cut to mount the lamp (in a US model anyway).

D-

MoJ · 12-16-04, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cruiserdan

There is a dome lamp wire pair bundled in the rear roof wire that goes up the LH pillar. It is folded up and taped to the harness and is right in the uppermost rear corner. When cut free it reaches not quite halfway across the rear sill. An inspection of the rear sill leads me to believe that the OEM lamp is to the left-of-center of the vehicle. There is a flat surface in that spot but it is not relief-cut to mount the lamp (in a US model anyway).

D-

Wow, the info doesn't get much better than that.

Arya Ebrahimi · 12-16-04, 03:34 PM

So if one were to purchase an oem dome light assembly, does said harness in the ceiling just plug into the light? or does some wiring need to take place?

Ary

cruiserdan · 12-16-04, 03:42 PM

Plugs right in.

Arya Ebrahimi · 12-16-04, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cruiserdan

Plugs right in.

Excellent! About how much would a smart shopper pay for an OEM dome-light assembly?

Ary

cruiserdan · 12-16-04, 04:00 PM

The one for my 93 was $28.56

loquito · 12-17-04, 10:43 PM

Would anyone be willing to elaberate on Dropping the headliner on a 94, I checked the FSM I have and it seems to have little info. I want to get into the rear left hand corner and also view the flat spot just left of center.

Does left of center, mean passenger side?

Thanks for help with such a Duh question.

Steven

Beowulf · 12-17-04, 10:50 PM

Steven,

Left of center means driver side on a left hand drive vehicle.

-B-

Beowulf · 12-17-04, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cruiserdan

The one for my 93 was $28.56

OK, I'll bite. This usually means an Oak one for my '97 will be about $200. So how much?

(Oh yea, post up the p/n so we can shop around at all those 25% discount dealers I keep hearing about.

-B-

TomH · 12-17-04, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beowulf

Steven,

Left of center means driver side on a left hand drive vehicle.

-B-

Or "Left of Center" could refer to a song by Suzanne Vega, but probably not in this case.

loquito · 12-18-04, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beowulf

Steven,

Left of center means driver side on a left hand drive vehicle.

-B-

Thanks -B-
Any idea/hints on taking down the cloth headliners on the drivers side rear corner. The FSM was not much help here. I am attempting a headliner search to see what I can find.

Steven

I was pushing all up on the passenger side of the headliner looking for the flat spot the other night.

Okay I have searched the forum, I could only go back a year. I found all sorts by Tyler and E9999 posts but they were working on a 97. I could find no info on a dropdown 1994 headliner.
And the FSM I have does not address the headliner . I just want to gain access to the drivers side rear so I can get to the wiring that is up there for the rear lamp, and to find the flat spot to figure out how to Mod it.
I know most everyone is asleep right now, so no complaining here. Maybe someone will know during the waking hours.
Steven

cruiserdan · 12-18-04, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beowulf

OK, I'll bite. This usually means an Oak one for my '97 will be about $200. So how much?

(Oh yea, post up the p/n so we can shop around at all those 25% discount dealers I keep hearing about.

-B-

Oak is not available for the 95-97 vehicles. It has been replaced by grey.

81240-32020-B6, list $32.61, net $24.46

In addition, sable is also replaced by grey in 91-94.

81240-95704-B1, list $38.07, net $28.56

D-

loquito · 12-18-04, 09:29 AM

Hey Dan
Do you have any advise on removal of headline

cruiserdan · 12-18-04, 09:33 AM

The suspended headliner is very difficult to drop and VERY easy to damage.

A new one is ONLY $1,225.07 so approach it with EXTREME caution. The pinch-weld mouldings need to be removed, this will expose a plastic "lip" that is sewn into the fabric that then hooks over the edge of the pinchweld. There are also some little black metal clip-thingys that are spaced periodically. It is also glued in some spots. The plastic rails will be very brittle and will break easily if too much pressure is applied.

I WOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT attempt this in cold weather, you will break stuff left-and-right.

Wait for warm weather (+80 should do it) or work on the vehicle in a heated space AFTER it has also warmed up. The hotter, the better.

D-

cruiserdan · 12-18-04, 09:35 AM

Steven,

If your old Cruiser is still in the salvage yard maybe they would let you practice on it before you go after the new one.

12-09-04, 01:13 PM	#1
Arya Ebrahimi IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Blacksburg, VA Posts: 2,576	Rear cargo light, tieing into existing wiring.... Ok, I was looking at the EWD the other night, and it appears there should be a wire for a rear cargo light assembly in the ceiling just inside the rear gate. I really feel the light is lacking back there, so I was thinking of getting another dome-light assembly from cruiserparts.net and adding it there. Can anyone confirm that the wiring is in fact there, and if it recieves the signals that the other domes do? i.e. door open or shut. I'd love to be able to just poke a hole in the headliner, wire up the light assembly, and attach it to the ceiling somehow. Has anyone does this before, and is it documented anywhere? I did a brief search, but didn't come up with anything. Thanks Ary __________________ HOKIES UNITED Arya Ebrahimi '94 FZJ80 215k miles, locked, 4.88s, 285 Revo's, ARB Bullbar, Hella 4000's, homemade drawers '86 Toyota Pickup SAS'ed, welded, 4.88s, 38 TSLs, and lots o' tube

12-09-04, 02:02 PM	#2
reffug grown up MOD Join Date: May 2004 Location: 'in dat der briar patch' TLCA# 14549 Posts: 3,777	Yep I can confirm it and yep it has been done. Attached Images __________________ "If it wasn't a Landcruiser and hadn't been built the way it was you do realize you would be DEAD." VA State Police Officer

12-09-04, 03:16 PM	#4
Arya Ebrahimi IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Blacksburg, VA Posts: 2,576	details man, details! __________________ HOKIES UNITED Arya Ebrahimi '94 FZJ80 215k miles, locked, 4.88s, 285 Revo's, ARB Bullbar, Hella 4000's, homemade drawers '86 Toyota Pickup SAS'ed, welded, 4.88s, 38 TSLs, and lots o' tube

12-09-04, 03:23 PM	#5
concretejungle IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Cadillac TLCA# 14646 Posts: 6,174	Wouldn't George's LED work in the existing one and should provide ample light? That way you gear queers wouldn't have to add more stuff to a perfect truck. __________________ 95' FZJ80 OME med./J lift, ARB rack, ARB Bull Bar w/tmax 12,500, 315 Nitto, stainless brake lines, Center Diff Lock, Sliders, IPOR Skid, IPOR rear bumper, upgraded slee sticker, custom dents, more to come. . . Remember it's a gateway drug, so it will actually lead to "crystal meh".

12-09-04, 03:53 PM	#6
clownmidget IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ithaca, New York Posts: 1,813	I've started this project after seeing George's write-up and asked Dan about it too. Dan told me that the light housing is in the rear most cargo area when the 3rd row seats option was not chosen. I think, IIRC, that in those cases the one over the 2nd row seats was absent. So there is a different light housing for that rear cargo area that is an oem part. Dan feel free to chime in and set it straight. The thing I remember, and hence my stalled progress, is that it would only hold a single dome (or replacement LED) and that wasn't enough light back there for me. Mike __________________ Mike R. hmmm....nuthin' Answer a fool according to his own folly.

12-09-04, 04:33 PM	#8
nasty habit IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 26	cargo light install link It is on the 80's cool site. http://www.safari4x4.com.au/80scool/tech/int-lamp.htm

12-09-04, 05:16 PM	#10
IBCRUSN IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mountainous Kansas TLCA# 4268 Posts: 1,380	I agree that the cargo area lighting is lack luster. I am working on a setup that uses the speaker cutouts and LEDs. I'm shooting for a 3W LED on each side ans a switch that operates the same as normal dome lights. I have the drawing done I just need to have them punched out. I will post pics once I have more info. Kris __________________ 1994 80 - Some stuff Those who can, do; those who can't, criticize - Unknown "Distribute the wealth" = Socialism

12-16-04, 02:55 PM	#12
DRTDuck IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 487	I don't remember where I say someone do this, here or the previous board, but it was a great idea. These flouescents can be found at boating stores or probably some van/rv place also. It wires just the same as described above, the flourescent is good because of such a low amp draw. After seeing the above post I wish I had thought of doing a factory light with one of George's Lexan's but oh well. Here's my install. __________________ Byron in KC 1996 LC, 142k, 861/862 w/ 1 in. spacers, factory locked, CDL, LEDs, ARB, JO1 IPFs, dual batteries, Engel 45. Kaymar-deer woods tested.

12-16-04, 03:02 PM	#13
reffug grown up MOD Join Date: May 2004 Location: 'in dat der briar patch' TLCA# 14549 Posts: 3,777	Well on mine its just the stock toyota light, and I used sheet metal screws. Have ment to go back and use nutserts but since the sheet metal screws work ok its on to other things. __________________ "If it wasn't a Landcruiser and hadn't been built the way it was you do realize you would be DEAD." VA State Police Officer

12-16-04, 03:08 PM	#14
alia176 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Tijeras, NM TLCA# 15941 Posts: 3,507 Blog Entries: 1	The above link said that the new light activates when "any" door is open. Is this true for US spec FZJ80s? If so, could this be tied into the two dome lights and the map light? That way all of them light up when any door is open. Assuming of course you'd have to cut the switched wire to each light that is coming from the door switches. __________________ TLCA # 15941 KE5LED Currently working PA

12-16-04, 03:17 PM	#15
cruiserdan Parts Shaman (per Romer) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where's my glasses? TLCA# 11332 Posts: 14,053	There is a dome lamp wire pair bundled in the rear roof wire that goes up the LH pillar. It is folded up and taped to the harness and is right in the uppermost rear corner. When cut free it reaches not quite halfway across the rear sill. An inspection of the rear sill leads me to believe that the OEM lamp is to the left-of-center of the vehicle. There is a flat surface in that spot but it is not relief-cut to mount the lamp (in a US model anyway). D- __________________ Original owner 93 FZJ80,locked,blown,water/methanol injected(like a WWII fighter aircraft),lifted,winched,snorkeled,slidered,Sleeed ,moneypit. Balanced on a pin head. 95 FZJ80 trail truck (hers), 94 FZJ80 320K with a knock and a lumpy old Dodge car.

12-16-04, 03:34 PM	#17
Arya Ebrahimi IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Blacksburg, VA Posts: 2,576	So if one were to purchase an oem dome light assembly, does said harness in the ceiling just plug into the light? or does some wiring need to take place? Ary __________________ HOKIES UNITED Arya Ebrahimi '94 FZJ80 215k miles, locked, 4.88s, 285 Revo's, ARB Bullbar, Hella 4000's, homemade drawers '86 Toyota Pickup SAS'ed, welded, 4.88s, 38 TSLs, and lots o' tube

12-16-04, 03:42 PM	#18
cruiserdan Parts Shaman (per Romer) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where's my glasses? TLCA# 11332 Posts: 14,053	Plugs right in. __________________ Original owner 93 FZJ80,locked,blown,water/methanol injected(like a WWII fighter aircraft),lifted,winched,snorkeled,slidered,Sleeed ,moneypit. Balanced on a pin head. 95 FZJ80 trail truck (hers), 94 FZJ80 320K with a knock and a lumpy old Dodge car.

12-16-04, 04:00 PM	#20
cruiserdan Parts Shaman (per Romer) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where's my glasses? TLCA# 11332 Posts: 14,053	The one for my 93 was $28.56 __________________ Original owner 93 FZJ80,locked,blown,water/methanol injected(like a WWII fighter aircraft),lifted,winched,snorkeled,slidered,Sleeed ,moneypit. Balanced on a pin head. 95 FZJ80 trail truck (hers), 94 FZJ80 320K with a knock and a lumpy old Dodge car.

12-17-04, 10:43 PM	#21
loquito IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 804	Would anyone be willing to elaberate on Dropping the headliner on a 94, I checked the FSM I have and it seems to have little info. I want to get into the rear left hand corner and also view the flat spot just left of center. Does left of center, mean passenger side? Thanks for help with such a Duh question. Steven

12-17-04, 10:50 PM	#22
Beowulf The quick brown fox ..... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Somewhere in the foothills... Posts: 10,566	Steven, Left of center means driver side on a left hand drive vehicle. -B- __________________ 97 FZJ80 - Wing Nut MAF, locked, 315 Toyos, 4.88s, Slee 4", George's sliders, Slee bumpers, M12000, OBA, Outback drawers + other stuff. Transformation in progress... Sometimes you find yourself in the middle of nowhere. And sometimes in the middle of nowhere, you find yourself.

12-18-04, 09:29 AM	#27
loquito IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 804	Hey Dan Do you have any advise on removal of headline

12-18-04, 09:33 AM	#28
cruiserdan Parts Shaman (per Romer) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where's my glasses? TLCA# 11332 Posts: 14,053	The suspended headliner is very difficult to drop and VERY easy to damage. A new one is ONLY $1,225.07 so approach it with EXTREME caution. The pinch-weld mouldings need to be removed, this will expose a plastic "lip" that is sewn into the fabric that then hooks over the edge of the pinchweld. There are also some little black metal clip-thingys that are spaced periodically. It is also glued in some spots. The plastic rails will be very brittle and will break easily if too much pressure is applied. I WOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT attempt this in cold weather, you will break stuff left-and-right. Wait for warm weather (+80 should do it) or work on the vehicle in a heated space AFTER it has also warmed up. The hotter, the better. D- __________________ Original owner 93 FZJ80,locked,blown,water/methanol injected(like a WWII fighter aircraft),lifted,winched,snorkeled,slidered,Sleeed ,moneypit. Balanced on a pin head. 95 FZJ80 trail truck (hers), 94 FZJ80 320K with a knock and a lumpy old Dodge car.

12-18-04, 09:35 AM	#29
cruiserdan Parts Shaman (per Romer) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where's my glasses? TLCA# 11332 Posts: 14,053	Steven, If your old Cruiser is still in the salvage yard maybe they would let you practice on it before you go after the new one. __________________ Original owner 93 FZJ80,locked,blown,water/methanol injected(like a WWII fighter aircraft),lifted,winched,snorkeled,slidered,Sleeed ,moneypit. Balanced on a pin head. 95 FZJ80 trail truck (hers), 94 FZJ80 320K with a knock and a lumpy old Dodge car.