The business of pulling out

Sillst · 07-24-08, 06:12 PM

Hey guys sorry for the very dirty sounding title on this one, but I was thinking of starting an around my campus pulling people out of the snow and ditches when they get stuck business. I have a 92 fj80 and was wondering first of all if this truck would have the necessary power, traction, etc... Also I was wondering besides the tow straps to get people unstuck what other equipment should I look into getting, possibly a winch, bigger tires, lift? Thanks so much once again guys you always are supremely helpful!

Tyler

Boone · 07-24-08, 06:20 PM

good ol common sense helps a lot when getting someone unstuck. Just use your head. but yeah the stuff you mentioned wont hurt at all.

JO MAOMA · 07-24-08, 06:29 PM

for snow i would suggest a "dynamic" strap...

-Spike- · 07-24-08, 08:09 PM

And some good insurance.

-Spike

nat88toy · 07-24-08, 08:25 PM

i drew up a waver for people to sign before i pull them out saying that i am not responsible if any thing breaks. don't trust anyone you never know you may rip off the bumper and get sued

Doc · 07-24-08, 08:46 PM

Lift and bigger tires will not help you pull anyone out. The best purchase you could make would be a winch with a long line. Pulling someone out with a winch is a LOT safer on your vehicle than using dynamic pulls.

sseaman · 07-24-08, 09:06 PM

where are you located? as far as i know it warm or hot in most places right now.

But just a strap should be fine

unwiredadventures · 07-24-08, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nat88toy

i drew up a waver for people to sign before i pull them out saying that i am not responsible if any thing breaks. don't trust anyone you never know you may rip off the bumper and get sued

A friend of mine videos the agreement to assist.

Lka1988 · 07-24-08, 10:58 PM

Make sure you bring two tow straps... Last time I pulled someone out, I broke my first one.

The guy was REALLY stuck. <cough>Jeep<cough>

IdahoDoug · 07-24-08, 11:37 PM

Winter tires. You're not going to get around well in the snow, or be able to generate traction with a tow strap without them. Not mud tires, not aggressive looking tires featured in Petersons - winter tires.

DougM

IdahoDoug · 07-24-08, 11:38 PM

Oh, and check local regulations so you don't find out AFTER you've spent money that you cannot be insured and cannot just start a business like this in your area. Especially on campus. Near 100% certainty you will not be allowed to do this.

DougM

Dynosoar · 07-24-08, 11:57 PM

A good pair of boots and a snow shovel.

Dynosoar

CJF · 07-24-08, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IdahoDoug

Oh, and check local regulations so you don't find out AFTER you've spent money that you cannot be insured and cannot just start a business like this in your area. Especially on campus. Near 100% certainty you will not be allowed to do this.

Yep.

I'm having a total deja vu on this thread; pretty sure we went through the exact same scenario a couple years ago.

Curtis

Boone · 07-25-08, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc

Lift and bigger tires will not help you pull anyone out. The best purchase you could make would be a winch with a long line. Pulling someone out with a winch is a LOT safer on your vehicle than using dynamic pulls.

The lift obviously wont generate any more traction but it does create clearance for larger tires and usually if you go taller you go wider which would improve traction.

Dusty · 07-25-08, 01:35 AM

I did my undergrad in utah and had a lot of fun pushing people out. in the campus parking lot they would say "hey im stck can you help me out" Id say "sure I'll give you a push."

you need a little running start before you hit the back of their car. a lot of cars in Provo have my winch imprinted on their trunks. newer cars dont push as well as they are more designed to absorb the pushing forces. good luck with this technique. don't stay around long after to accept thanks

Doc · 07-25-08, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boone

The lift obviously wont generate any more traction but it does create clearance for larger tires and usually if you go taller you go wider which would improve traction.

And how does bigger tires help pull someone out?

You want to stay with smaller tires to put more power to the ground.

PDoyle · 07-25-08, 08:13 AM

Your probably only gonna pull cars about 5- 10 feet from where they are correct? You could use a chain too. Where are you located?
Also, I'm pretty sure you don't want to pull from the front end. Pull from back end only.

4xoddic · 07-25-08, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by nat88toy

. . . a waver for people to sign before i pull them out saying that i am not responsible if any thing breaks. don't trust anyone you never know you may rip off the bumper and get sued . . .

Make sure that it's spelled Waiver on that slip of paper they signed. You don't want Judge Judy to award your FJ80 to them.

The first year I owned my 77 FJ55 (78), I pulled the valance off a 62 Malibu Wagon mired on the beach of the CoE lake I was working at as a Park Technician. I let the kid hook my chain onto his Dad's vehicle, & I didn't charge him for the damages. Had I been a Ranger, I could have let him go with a Citation (no, not the GM X-car).

Once you've thought this through & consulted your Attorney (that's the guy who points out to the Judge your slip of paper reads Waiver); calculated your tug fee to cover the cost of gas (knew a Ranger who used his FJ55 to pull a F250 buried to the axles in mud = 4 hrs & 1/2 tank of gas); got additional Insurance coverage before your Agent told you you're NOT COVERED as a commercial account (you did charge didn't you?); I would suggest only one more thing:

Fill the back end with sacks of Kitty Litter.

Assess stuck victim.
Assess stuck vehicle: FWD or RWD?
Collect fee 1st. Make up story, like sorry but I pulled 3 little ole Ladies yesterday & they'd all lost their $$ at Legion Bingo; etc.
THEN, AND ONLY THEN,
Get out a bag of Kitty Litter & spread it out in front & back of their driving wheels; take the key to the stuck vehicle; put it in Lo; drive it out.
You collected beforehand; because, NOBODY likes to pay to be proven they could have gotten themselves out of a fix afer the fact.

Ishikawa · 07-25-08, 09:43 AM

Winch + Snatch Block + Tree Saver + Tow Straps + D-rings.

Also, get Synthetic Cable for your winch....no need in risking it with people who are clueless.

Best,
Max

PDoyle · 07-25-08, 09:47 AM

In other words...It ain't worth it to pull people out!

maxboost82 · 07-25-08, 10:36 AM

my boss has done it "many time" here in littlerock, it only snows about once a year but when it happens everyone in there tahoes just hit the "auto 4x4" switch and never slow down for bridges and such. we all know what usually happens to them. i would just volunteer to pull "soccer moms" out and hope they tip ya good. if not just do it cause your truck kicks ass and your not an idiot like the rest. jmoa.

JO MAOMA · 07-25-08, 10:58 AM

FJason80 · 07-25-08, 01:44 PM

Last winter, after skiing, I would just drive around the Alpine Meadows parking lot looking for stuck people. Its amazing how many Bay Aryans have no idea how to drive in the snow. I never charged them anything though...

Tapage · 07-25-08, 03:48 PM

Chains .. my best bet.

BryanBerry · 07-25-08, 04:12 PM

I am curious how much you will charge so I know what to charge you if I run across you stuck on a trail. Way to capitalize on others misfortune.

bhmmapping · 07-25-08, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBerry

I am curious how much you will charge so I know what to charge you if I run across you stuck on a trail. Way to capitalize on others misfortune.

well said

nd4spd · 07-25-08, 06:43 PM

just try to avoid pulling people out in reverse unless you have to, your truck should move forward when pulling a load or you can damage your drivetrain/axles etc... or just park it (Using the e-brake) and use a winch, cruisers got the weight

Atoyot1031 · 07-25-08, 06:46 PM

It adds a lot of unnecessary stress on your birfs as well. That's why I only recover "friends".

ANJ2A · 07-25-08, 07:31 PM

I agree with not taking money. I have refused to be pulled out by someone charging money. Matter of principle.

Anj2a

Lka1988 · 07-25-08, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ANJ2A

I agree with not taking money. I have refused to be pulled out by someone charging money. Matter of principle.

Anj2a

x 1,000

I will never charge anyone to pull them out. It's a simple (sometimes) and kind service, not a business. I even pulled out a Jeep for free. A JEEP.

Sheesh.

07-24-08, 06:12 PM	#1
Sillst IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 11	The business of pulling out Hey guys sorry for the very dirty sounding title on this one, but I was thinking of starting an around my campus pulling people out of the snow and ditches when they get stuck business. I have a 92 fj80 and was wondering first of all if this truck would have the necessary power, traction, etc... Also I was wondering besides the tow straps to get people unstuck what other equipment should I look into getting, possibly a winch, bigger tires, lift? Thanks so much once again guys you always are supremely helpful! Tyler

07-24-08, 06:29 PM	#3
JO MAOMA IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 404	for snow i would suggest a "dynamic" strap... __________________ "Mate , you must drink some serious piss to need to get to youre chilly bin that quickly." - topend yobbo

07-24-08, 08:09 PM	#4
-Spike- IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Phoenix Posts: 3,471	And some good insurance. -Spike __________________ His 1994 TLC 'White Elephant' +6"/35" Locked and loaded. Hers '95 TLC Bare bones. "I don't understand this business of illegal aliens giving birth to American citizens. If your cat has kittens in the oven, would you call them biscuits?" -Unknown

07-24-08, 08:25 PM	#5
nat88toy IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: boston TLCA# 16379 Posts: 609	i drew up a waver for people to sign before i pull them out saying that i am not responsible if any thing breaks. don't trust anyone you never know you may rip off the bumper and get sued __________________ 88 4runner.. SAS, 4" trail gear lift, 34" super swamper ltb, arb, warn 9000, snorkel, extreme air, aussie locked and a bunch of other junk 98 sr5 T100 32" procomp mtr 1994 fzj-80 factory locked, Slee 4" lift, Landtank caster plates, Arb bumper, warn 12,000, arb bumper, snorkel, 35" TrXus mt, full belly skid, extreme air

07-24-08, 08:46 PM	#6
Doc Corn Eater Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Iowa TLCA# 17266 Posts: 4,566	Lift and bigger tires will not help you pull anyone out. The best purchase you could make would be a winch with a long line. Pulling someone out with a winch is a LOT safer on your vehicle than using dynamic pulls. __________________ Eric P. 1993 Landcruiser, 190K miles. Lifted, Locked, Slidered, Slee'd, Snork'd, Winched, bobbed. Daily driver. ROTW Tall Corn Cruisers- El Presidente.

07-24-08, 06:20 PM	#2
Boone IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Boone/ Winston-salem NC Posts: 200	good ol common sense helps a lot when getting someone unstuck. Just use your head. but yeah the stuff you mentioned wont hurt at all.

07-24-08, 09:06 PM	#7
sseaman IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1,382	where are you located? as far as i know it warm or hot in most places right now. But just a strap should be fine __________________ 91 FJ80 318k, spare tire mod, custom roof rack----SOLD 98 4runner 141k---SOLD 98 Avalon 149k 04 Sequoia 74k

07-24-08, 11:37 PM	#10
IdahoDoug IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6,548	Winter tires. You're not going to get around well in the snow, or be able to generate traction with a tow strap without them. Not mud tires, not aggressive looking tires featured in Petersons - winter tires. DougM __________________ Buy Head Gasket DVD for you OR for your mechanic HERE '93 FZJ since new, 2.2kw starter, Revo 275s, locked, big Hellas, rr fog, rr flood, rr Airlift, synthetics, ARB bullbar. 97 FZJ - exact same stuff but Michelin Alpins in winter "Slicker than owl shit on a wet log." - Carter

07-24-08, 11:38 PM	#11
IdahoDoug IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6,548	Oh, and check local regulations so you don't find out AFTER you've spent money that you cannot be insured and cannot just start a business like this in your area. Especially on campus. Near 100% certainty you will not be allowed to do this. DougM __________________ Buy Head Gasket DVD for you OR for your mechanic HERE '93 FZJ since new, 2.2kw starter, Revo 275s, locked, big Hellas, rr fog, rr flood, rr Airlift, synthetics, ARB bullbar. 97 FZJ - exact same stuff but Michelin Alpins in winter "Slicker than owl shit on a wet log." - Carter

07-24-08, 11:57 PM	#12
Dynosoar V8J60 - TPI Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: SoCal TLCA# 17857 Posts: 1,712	A good pair of boots and a snow shovel. Dynosoar __________________ '82 V8J60 - TPI 350 with a Turbo 400 attached to a splitcase, Cable Locker FF rear end, 4" SUA (National Spring), Copper Metalic Has been south to Cabo San Lucas, BCS and North to Port Angels,WA. Call Sign: KI6SMP

07-25-08, 01:35 AM	#15
Dusty IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,553	I did my undergrad in utah and had a lot of fun pushing people out. in the campus parking lot they would say "hey im stck can you help me out" Id say "sure I'll give you a push." you need a little running start before you hit the back of their car. a lot of cars in Provo have my winch imprinted on their trunks. newer cars dont push as well as they are more designed to absorb the pushing forces. good luck with this technique. don't stay around long after to accept thanks __________________ 97lx450 4" slee/j's, sliders, bumpers, 3" exhaust, custom turbo, HG pm/Valve job/seals, sweet custom skid plate, Sleeoffroad parts, Buys oe parts from Cruiser Dan used to have 37" swampers.. 1 tons and 42's pending..... Budget Blown my build http://forum.ih8mud.com/hardcore-cor...j80-build.html 98 100 series. rear locker. 2008 6.7L dodge 2500 quad cab

07-25-08, 08:13 AM	#17
PDoyle IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Saratoga Lake NY Posts: 761	Your probably only gonna pull cars about 5- 10 feet from where they are correct? You could use a chain too. Where are you located? Also, I'm pretty sure you don't want to pull from the front end. Pull from back end only. __________________ Pat Doyle 1994 White FZJ 80, CDL switch. rear winch hitch attachment .-SOLD 1996 White FZJ 80, seats 7,leathered up, CDL,Locked,LandTanks MAF.2" OME lift/Shocks.

07-25-08, 09:43 AM	#19
Ishikawa IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Austin Posts: 13	Winch + Snatch Block + Tree Saver + Tow Straps + D-rings. Also, get Synthetic Cable for your winch....no need in risking it with people who are clueless. Best, Max __________________ '96 LX-450; currently cherry...

07-25-08, 09:47 AM	#20
PDoyle IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Saratoga Lake NY Posts: 761	In other words...It ain't worth it to pull people out! __________________ Pat Doyle 1994 White FZJ 80, CDL switch. rear winch hitch attachment .-SOLD 1996 White FZJ 80, seats 7,leathered up, CDL,Locked,LandTanks MAF.2" OME lift/Shocks.

07-25-08, 10:36 AM	#21
maxboost82 IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SHERWOOD ARKANSAS Posts: 31	my boss has done it "many time" here in littlerock, it only snows about once a year but when it happens everyone in there tahoes just hit the "auto 4x4" switch and never slow down for bridges and such. we all know what usually happens to them. i would just volunteer to pull "soccer moms" out and hope they tip ya good. if not just do it cause your truck kicks ass and your not an idiot like the rest. jmoa.

07-25-08, 10:58 AM	#22
JO MAOMA IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 404	__________________ "Mate , you must drink some serious piss to need to get to youre chilly bin that quickly." - topend yobbo

07-25-08, 01:44 PM	#23
FJason80 whaaduufuuu? Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Truckee, Tahoe, CA TLCA# 17089 Posts: 423	Last winter, after skiing, I would just drive around the Alpine Meadows parking lot looking for stuck people. Its amazing how many Bay Aryans have no idea how to drive in the snow. I never charged them anything though... __________________ 93 FZJ80 - Locked, ARB front, MileMarker 12k Winch, Kaymar Rear, OME 2.5, 33" MTRs, LightForces, Safari Snorkel, Slee Wiring Harness, etc. 88 Subaru GL Hatchback - Swapped RX turbo engine, Volvo intercooler, fastest P.O.S on the road, rallycross machine.

07-25-08, 04:12 PM	#25
BryanBerry IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 9	I am curious how much you will charge so I know what to charge you if I run across you stuck on a trail. Way to capitalize on others misfortune. __________________ How much for one rib?

07-25-08, 06:43 PM	#27
nd4spd IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Golden Colorado Posts: 4	just try to avoid pulling people out in reverse unless you have to, your truck should move forward when pulling a load or you can damage your drivetrain/axles etc... or just park it (Using the e-brake) and use a winch, cruisers got the weight

07-25-08, 06:46 PM	#28
Atoyot1031 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aspen, CO TLCA# 18402 Posts: 1,051	It adds a lot of unnecessary stress on your birfs as well. That's why I only recover "friends". __________________ "Macadamia nuts in mixed nuts?!? Now *that's* a high class nut mix..." -Anonymous quote heard during a CM08 lunch break in the worm hole on Kane Creek

07-25-08, 07:31 PM	#29
ANJ2A IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Charlottesville Posts: 6	I agree with not taking money. I have refused to be pulled out by someone charging money. Matter of principle. Anj2a