Front wheel, Drive Flange Cap comes off

85badger · 05-29-08, 03:20 PM

Guys,

My little sis got this 80 1993, about 2 months ago, I noticed gear lube sprayed all over the front right wheel. So I took the fancy plastic toyota cap off and the drive flange cap (steel) had fallen off. So I put it back on, tapped it with a hammer. Done! I thought.......
Now I noticed it again, why is this thing coming off? Is the front right axle walking around that much and pushing it out?

Thanks

jonheld · 05-29-08, 03:40 PM

You're referring to the removable grease cap that is a press fit onto the drive flange? If that's falling off it probably just needs a slight bend to fit more securely. I usually need to work it off with a small flathead screwdriver.

The inner axle can't move outward enough to knock it out.

bhmmapping · 05-29-08, 03:48 PM

I would be more concerned with the gear oil coming out of the drive flange than the grease cap falling off.

85badger · 05-29-08, 03:50 PM

Yes, that's what I'm trying to describe. You think all I need to do is tweek it abit? I'll give it a try, I actually thought that was the fix, but that sounds too easy.

85badger · 05-29-08, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhmmapping

I would be more concerned with the gear oil coming out of the drive flange than the grease cap falling off.

Well, you know how girls are about vehicles

, I told her to check it, make sure it is still on and not leaking.............I'm going to fix it and fill the diff back up tonight.

Doc · 05-29-08, 03:59 PM

I have to more than 'tap' my cap back on. It takes a few forcefull blows from a 1.5lb brass hammer to get it seated propperly. If yours is 'tapping' back on, it's too loose. tweak the lip like suggested above.

85badger · 05-29-08, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc

I have to more than 'tap' my cap back on. It takes a few forcefull blows from a 1.5lb brass hammer to get it seated propperly. If yours is 'tapping' back on, it's too loose. tweak the lip like suggested above.

OK, I'll work the lip over! I'll check back in if that was it!! Thanks

cruiserdan · 05-29-08, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonheld

The inner axle can't move outward enough to knock it out.

Actually it can if you have a mis-match on the birfield/drive flange.

We had a 93 in here a couple weeks ago and it was popping the dust cap off. An inspection revealed that the vehicle had recently had a birfield replaced and the installer did not also install the new taller drive flange to go along with it. The long birf combined with the short flange would knock the cap off when the birf moved outward.

This vehicle could possibly have the same issue.

If this vehicle has factory birfs in it they will have paint marks on the end under the dust cap. If the paint is pink the birf is short and if it's green the birf is long.

If it's green you will need a 43421-60040 drive flange to go with it.

85badger · 05-29-08, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cruiserdan

Actually it can if you have a mis-match on the birfield/drive flange.

We had a 93 in here a couple weeks ago and it was popping the dust cap off. An inspection reveiled that the vehicle had recently had a birfield replaced and the installer did not also install the new taller drive flange to go along with it. The long birf combined with the short flange would knock the cap off when the birf moved outward.

This vehicle could possibly have the same issue.

Damn your good!! How much for the taller drive flange and a new cap? I'm headed home right now and will get back tomorrow with the news, pink or green. I do know that the front right has had some work done to it before she bought it, so this is probably the problem.

Buckru · 05-29-08, 04:31 PM

Not only is he damn good he's a hell of a guy.

(That oughta keep my truck safe for a while)

Buck

cruiserdan · 05-29-08, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 85badger

Damn your good!! How much for the taller drive flange and a new cap? I'm headed home right now and will get back tomorrow with the news, pink or green. I do know that the front right has had some work done to it before she bought it, so this is probably the problem.

The flange lists for $53.02 and runs a mudder $39.76. The cap lists for $3.32 and nets out at $2.49.

Tapage · 05-29-08, 05:22 PM

Little Hijack ..

I thought in my factory 95 part time 80 I have the short bierfidls .. so I thought Boby make the long ones .. how much longer are ?

Hijack over ..

cruiserdan · 05-29-08, 05:25 PM

~7mm longer.

AKcruiserfreak · 05-29-08, 05:35 PM

Man, Dan's all over stuff today. BTW thanks for the Valve cover gasket and Blue fan hub. I'll be going over my front end soon enough.

TK

Sarmajor · 05-29-08, 09:49 PM

I replaced my CV's and drive flanges with the longer "7mm" and found that the dust caps were loose on the new flanges.
A bit of tin bashing was required to shrink them so that they fit firmly.

Down here in NZ it is also recomended to use a bit of silicone sealant when fitting them as they are NOT water tight and we all know what water does to bearings!!

85badger · 05-30-08, 06:57 AM

After further inspection...........it does have the green birfield in it. Also the inside of the dust cap has interference marks from the birfield. So....Dan I need the new flange and new dust cap!

Tapage · 05-30-08, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarmajor

I replaced my CV's and drive flanges with the longer "7mm" and found that the dust caps were loose on the new flanges.
A bit of tin bashing was required to shrink them so that they fit firmly.

Down here in NZ it is also recomended to use a bit of silicone sealant when fitting them as they are NOT water tight and we all know what water does to bearings!!

Sarmajor ..

Did you know if someone with the longer bierf are install 'em in a part time 80 or at least with AISIN hubs .. ?

P.S. thanks for your info Mr. Dan

85badger · 06-10-08, 11:50 AM

Update for people with this problem. Dan was correct, I needed the thicker drive flange. Got the parts put on last night....all is well. BTW....that c-clip is a PITA to put on by yourself!

Thanks for everyones help..........again!

Sarmajor · 06-11-08, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tapage

Sarmajor ..

Did you know if someone with the longer bierf are install 'em in a part time 80 or at least with AISIN hubs .. ?

P.S. thanks for your info Mr. Dan

I have had no experience with Free wheeling hubs at all. Perhaps someone else can answer this question??

Cheers

Hedley

05-29-08, 03:20 PM	#1
85badger IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wichita, Ks Posts: 109	Front wheel, Drive Flange Cap comes off Guys, My little sis got this 80 1993, about 2 months ago, I noticed gear lube sprayed all over the front right wheel. So I took the fancy plastic toyota cap off and the drive flange cap (steel) had fallen off. So I put it back on, tapped it with a hammer. Done! I thought....... Now I noticed it again, why is this thing coming off? Is the front right axle walking around that much and pushing it out? Thanks __________________ 1995 Land Cruiser (Elsie) Locked, 33's, CDL For Sale: 1990 4Runner, 37's, SAS, 5.29's (sold) Last edited by 85badger; 05-29-08 at 03:28 PM.

05-29-08, 03:40 PM	#2
jonheld IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York, NY TLCA# 5980 Posts: 1,222	You're referring to the removable grease cap that is a press fit onto the drive flange? If that's falling off it probably just needs a slight bend to fit more securely. I usually need to work it off with a small flathead screwdriver. The inner axle can't move outward enough to knock it out. __________________ Jon Held 1991 FJ80 "Lumbering White Rhino" Times Square, New York, USA TLCA# 5980 http://gclcny.com/jh/ Buy your FJ80 FSM here: http://gclcny.com/jh/fsm.html

05-29-08, 03:48 PM	#3
bhmmapping IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Birmingham, AL TLCA# 18734 Posts: 394	I would be more concerned with the gear oil coming out of the drive flange than the grease cap falling off. __________________ Alabama Chapter coming soon: http://forum.ih8mud.com/al-dixieland-cruisers/ Matt 1992 FJ80 - OME 850/860, Bilsteins, ARB...

05-29-08, 03:50 PM	#4
85badger IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wichita, Ks Posts: 109	Yes, that's what I'm trying to describe. You think all I need to do is tweek it abit? I'll give it a try, I actually thought that was the fix, but that sounds too easy. __________________ 1995 Land Cruiser (Elsie) Locked, 33's, CDL For Sale: 1990 4Runner, 37's, SAS, 5.29's (sold)

05-29-08, 03:59 PM	#6
Doc Corn Eater Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Iowa TLCA# 17266 Posts: 4,566	I have to more than 'tap' my cap back on. It takes a few forcefull blows from a 1.5lb brass hammer to get it seated propperly. If yours is 'tapping' back on, it's too loose. tweak the lip like suggested above. __________________ Eric P. 1993 Landcruiser, 190K miles. Lifted, Locked, Slidered, Slee'd, Snork'd, Winched, bobbed. Daily driver. ROTW Tall Corn Cruisers- El Presidente.

05-29-08, 04:31 PM	#10
Buckru IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston, Texas TLCA# 13863 Posts: 589	Not only is he damn good he's a hell of a guy. (That oughta keep my truck safe for a while) Buck __________________ Toyota 4x4's of Texas aka T4x4T 97 LX450 OME 2.5, 1" spacers, CDL w/pin7, Toyo 315's, cup holder, Bullbar, Hannah Sliders & Rear Bumper. TLCA# 13863

05-29-08, 05:25 PM	#13
cruiserdan Parts Shaman (per Romer) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where's my glasses? TLCA# 11332 Posts: 14,052	~7mm longer. __________________ Original owner 93 FZJ80,locked,blown,water/methanol injected(like a WWII fighter aircraft),lifted,winched,snorkeled,slidered,Sleeed ,moneypit. Balanced on a pin head. 95 FZJ80 trail truck (hers), 94 FZJ80 320K with a knock and a lumpy old Dodge car.

05-29-08, 05:35 PM	#14
AKcruiserfreak IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: North Pole, Ak Posts: 668	Man, Dan's all over stuff today. BTW thanks for the Valve cover gasket and Blue fan hub. I'll be going over my front end soon enough. TK __________________ 1971 FJ-40 2" shackle lift, 33" BFG,PTO winch, lots o' miles, con fer roof rack, safety yellow, weber 38dgas, Downey header. 1993 FZJ-80 114k, new ecu, ARB/Warn12k, Wild Country TXR 285's,Astrostart autostart, OME850J+1" Slee spacers,OME863 rear, Blue hub, 67" sliders.

05-29-08, 09:49 PM	#15
Sarmajor IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mamaku, Just outside Rotorua in New Zealand Posts: 175	Caps / Drive Flanges I replaced my CV's and drive flanges with the longer "7mm" and found that the dust caps were loose on the new flanges. A bit of tin bashing was required to shrink them so that they fit firmly. Down here in NZ it is also recomended to use a bit of silicone sealant when fitting them as they are NOT water tight and we all know what water does to bearings!! __________________ Mine 1992 HDJ-81, Triple Locked, Factory Sun Roof, Safari Intercooler, Airtech Snorkel, Milford Cargo Barrier, Ome 2" lift, Warn XP9000, Hella Rallye 2000's ARB Winch Bar. Hers 1992 HDJ-81, Triple Locked, Factory Sun Roof, Milford Cargo Barrier, ARB Winch bar, Hella Rallye 2000's, Safari Snorkel.

05-30-08, 06:57 AM	#16
85badger IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wichita, Ks Posts: 109	After further inspection...........it does have the green birfield in it. Also the inside of the dust cap has interference marks from the birfield. So....Dan I need the new flange and new dust cap! __________________ 1995 Land Cruiser (Elsie) Locked, 33's, CDL For Sale: 1990 4Runner, 37's, SAS, 5.29's (sold)

06-10-08, 11:50 AM	#18
85badger IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wichita, Ks Posts: 109	Update for people with this problem. Dan was correct, I needed the thicker drive flange. Got the parts put on last night....all is well. BTW....that c-clip is a PITA to put on by yourself! Thanks for everyones help..........again! __________________ 1995 Land Cruiser (Elsie) Locked, 33's, CDL For Sale: 1990 4Runner, 37's, SAS, 5.29's (sold)

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