OEM Venezuela 80 wheels, tires & gears

[mason]

Anyone know what the specs were on the wheels, tires and gearing on the Venezuela 80s that were sold with no flares and smaller wheels and tires?

[Tapage]

On the tires section, not sure. thought more are 265 or 275 .. but the wheels are plain ones like this ones



are 16X8" 6 in 5.5" as usual Cruiser boltpathern ..

[robmir]

Originally Posted by mason

Anyone know what the specs were on the wheels, tires and gearing on the Venezuela 80s that were sold with no flares and smaller wheels and tires?

Between October 1992 to March 2003 they came with 15" wheels

As I am aware after March 1993 all came with 16" wheels because of the larger disc brake rotor, either the full trim VX or the basic no flare model.

All 80 assembled in Venezuela have the same gearing ratio no matter which wheel size they got which I believe is 3.70

Tire size was 285/75-16. I don't recall the 15" tire size but I believe it's diameter were very close to it.

[mason]

Originally Posted by robmir

Tire size was 285/75-16. I don't recall the 15" tire size but I believe it's diameter were very close to it.

If I remember from the pics off the Venezuela Toyota site, the wheels and tires looked a lot smaller than 285s. I'm not sure if there was ever a factory Cruiser of any generation that came with 285s.

Are you thinking a different size?

[rtarh2o]

Originally Posted by robmir

All 80 assembled in Venezuela have the same gearing ratio no matter which wheel size they got which I believe is 3.70

So that means we should be able to find some 3.70 gears for our 80's? I would love some for my 6.2 diesel, how could I find some?
Rusty

[robmir]

Originally Posted by mason

If I remember from the pics off the Venezuela Toyota site, the wheels and tires looked a lot smaller than 285s. I'm not sure if there was ever a factory Cruiser of any generation that came with 285s.

Are you thinking a different size?

Yep, my mistake, they were smaller !!!!!

[robmir]

Originally Posted by rtarh2o

So that means we should be able to find some 3.70 gears for our 80's? I would love some for my 6.2 diesel, how could I find some?
Rusty

I guess only SF could be found on junkyards if you are lucky and there is one, or you could order them at any dealer but lately new parts are harder to get.

Ask CDAN if he can order them ?

[Tapage]

Originally Posted by rtarh2o

So that means we should be able to find some 3.70 gears for our 80's? I would love some for my 6.2 diesel, how could I find some?
Rusty

I'm not sure on this part coz every " Autana or Burbuja " that I'v seen from Venezuela run 4.11 included mine ..

[mason]

ginericLC was able to find a site for me with the info: Toyota Land Cruiser 2006 - De Agencia - Motor Awards

Looks like the Autana came with steel wheels and 255/70/16s and the Burbaja came with the aluminum wheels and 265/75/16s.

I wonder how much better the uphill power and fuel economy is with the 255s?

Thanks all!

[DarkCloud]

First of all, Venezuelan 80s were sold from 1993 to 2007.

"Autana" model came with 255/70R16 up to 2001 with thinner rims (I think 16x8), after 2001 they came with 265/75R16 Bridgestone Duelers and thicker rims (I think 16x9). I haven't counted the ring splines, but the pinion on FF axles has 10, which leads me to believe it's 41x10, or 4.10. 3.70 and 4.11 have a different number of pinion splines AFAIK.

Not sure about "Burbuja" model, I think it's the same but again, not sure.

[robmir]

Originally Posted by Tapage

I'm not sure on this part coz every " Autana or Burbuja " that I'v seen from Venezuela run 4.11 included mine ..

I am in the process of closing my bussines which I had for the last 25 years so my mind it's in another planet.

You are absolutely right: all 80's assembled in Venezuela, no matter which year or trim they got, are 4.11, Period.

I hate this stupid custom of giving them exotic rain forest taken names and locally manufactured vinil stickers to identify them.

Burbuja doesn't fit that custom and this is a people given name, is just the VX top trim with a VX OEM tag, which came with flares, power package like electric windows and door locks, side steps, cooler/ice fabricator, etc and the latest came with the hated AWD.

By the way it doesn't make any sense but in 1993 the VX came with carb on the stick version and FI on the auto version, as I recall in 1997 (or was 1995 ?) they switched the VX stick to FI.


The very first basic model (around october 1992) came with 3 pass front seat, 3 passenger middle seat and 4 passenger side by side rear seats, no electric windows, no door locks and vinil upholstery, carb 4.5 engine and 15" wheels. It was considered a working vehicle and duty taxes on it were lower.

Later they replaced the 15" to 16" and upgraded the front brakes.

In the Autana they replaced the front bank seat with individual seats, added electric windows and door locks, FI and removed the dreaded side by side 2 passenger seats but price was increased since it lost is tax free deduction

[robmir]

Originally Posted by mason

ginericLC was able to find a site for me with the info: Toyota Land Cruiser 2006 - De Agencia - Motor Awards

Looks like the Autana came with steel wheels and 255/70/16s and the Burbaja came with the aluminum wheels and 265/75/16s.

I wonder how much better the uphill power and fuel economy is with the 255s?

Thanks all!

You can't compare the fuel economy between the full trim VX with the lower trim "Autana" because the VX is way heavier.

Also after they equiped the VX with AWD, fuel economy lowered also a bit.

If I am right overall diameter between 255/70/16 and 265/75/16 is quite close, Toyota didn't fit a different speed sensor on the "Autana" and the VX.

Since the 255/70/16 has a wider footprint it gives more stability to the cruiser and that's why it was standard equipment on the VX giving it a more luxurious look.

[sandcruiser]

something isn't quite right with what you wrote above: 255/70r16 should be a fair amount shorter than 265/75r16, and narrower, not wider.

[robmir]

Originally Posted by sandcruiser

something isn't quite right with what you wrote above: 255/70r16 should be a fair amount shorter than 265/75r16, and narrower, not wider.

I guess you should search a bit about tire size and educate yourself, no pun intended, the double digit after the slash means the relation between the wall measure between the thread and the rim lip and the thread wide measure.

A 80 series tire thread is quite narrower than a 50 or 60 series tire.

For example my son's Yaris came with 185/60-15 and we replaced them with 205/55-15 which have the same overall diameter but it's thread is more than 1" wider giving it a way better handling which is good for a car.

For a 4 wheeler sometimes a taller series tire is better but on sand a wider footprint with low tire pressure gives you more grip because you are floating instead of digging the sand.

[72rockcruiser]

Originally Posted by sandcruiser

something isn't quite right with what you wrote above: 255/70r16 should be a fair amount shorter than 265/75r16, and narrower, not wider.

Thats what I thought. 255 is the width in mm's, no? last time i checked 255 was less than 265.

[sandcruiser]

Robmir,

I think you might have misread my post (or I am misreading yours).

I don't claim to know much about tires, but one thing I *do* know is that, sin duda, 255/70r16 is a shorter, narrower tire than a 265/75r16.

255mm < 265mm, therefore narrower.
70<75, therefore less aspect ratio and less sidewall height.

Maybe there was a mistake in the initial post?

This isn't worth much discussion, it has been hashed to death in many other threads. If I misunderstood your post, I apologize.

Originally Posted by robmir

I guess you should search a bit about tire size and educate yourself, no pun intended, the double digit after the slash means the relation between the wall measure between the thread and the rim lip and the thread wide measure.

A 80 series tire thread is quite narrower than a 50 or 60 series tire.

For example my son's Yaris came with 185/60-15 and we replaced them with 205/55-15 which have the same overall diameter but it's thread is more than 1" wider giving it a way better handling which is good for a car.

For a 4 wheeler sometimes a taller series tire is better but on sand a wider footprint with low tire pressure gives you more grip because you are floating instead of digging the sand.

[robmir]

Originally Posted by sandcruiser

Robmir,

I think you might have misread my post (or I am misreading yours).

I don't claim to know much about tires, but one thing I *do* know is that, sin duda, 255/70r16 is a shorter, narrower tire than a 265/75r16.

255mm < 265mm, therefore narrower.
70<75, therefore less aspect ratio and less sidewall height.

Maybe there was a mistake in the initial post?

This isn't worth much discussion, it has been hashed to death in many other threads. If I misunderstood your post, I apologize.

I agree with you, we are all here to learn and I am sorry if I didn't explain well my self !!!!! No hard feelings