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05-01-08, 01:10 AM
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IH8MUD Regular
Join Date: Jul 2007
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HHO gas?
Interesting stuff.
This guy has a kit, but you could probably just make one yourself. Too bad I don't have a beater car I can test it out on. HAFC Video |
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05-01-08, 01:15 AM
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IH8MUD Lifer
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hahahahahahahahahaha!
If the quality of the site is any measure... If the lack of news coverage is any measure... I call B.S. :P __________________ 70 FJ40-sold, worst day of my life 79 TOY 4WD pup-stolen, 2nd worst day of my life 91 4Runner 4WD-burned to ground, 3rd worst day of my life 83 FJ60- suckiest day of my life 97 LX450, 216k, non-locked. Expedition vehicle in progress Quote:
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05-01-08, 01:18 AM
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IH8MUD Lifer
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Thank you. 
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05-01-08, 01:45 AM
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IH8MUD Regular
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It's not the website or company that intrigues me, it's the technology.
YouTube - HHO gas part one (alternative to fossil fuels) Search Youtube for HHO gas torches. |
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05-01-08, 01:51 AM
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IH8MUD Regular
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YouTube - waterfuel hho torch sirhoax clamshell
Here's some news coverage. YouTube - Imagine cutting steel or running a car with ordinary water Last edited by mkfour; 05-01-08 at 01:57 AM. |
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05-01-08, 02:29 AM
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IH8MUD Lifer
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Yeah I'm sticking with my answer, B.S.
Stanley Meyer's water fuel cell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ 70 FJ40-sold, worst day of my life 79 TOY 4WD pup-stolen, 2nd worst day of my life 91 4Runner 4WD-burned to ground, 3rd worst day of my life 83 FJ60- suckiest day of my life 97 LX450, 216k, non-locked. Expedition vehicle in progress Quote:
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05-01-08, 02:41 AM
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impervious to subtlety
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http://forum.ih8mud.com/alternative-...generator.html
http://forum.ih8mud.com/60-series-wa...r-results.html Hydrogen fuel enhancement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia There is merit to the idea, the problem is that the ones selling it are snake oil salesmen who either don't understand it, or intentionally mis-lead. The hydrogen doesn't add energy to the combustion process, it changes the dynamics and efficiency of the gasoline burn. That said, I have concerns about safety and what it will do to your engine long-term. If it was a workable way to reduce fuel consumption, I think we would see it coming from the factory. __________________ [ ][ ]=TOYOTA=[ ][ ]  4 eyes > 2 eyes Member of the Peace Canyon Toyota Swamp Donkeys Creep Coalition |
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05-01-08, 06:01 AM
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IH8MUD Junkie
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I've seen "how to build" instructions it looked good until it said that you needed to have the inside of you engine ceramic coated I believe that would be impossible, it would wear off even if you could do it. The reason for the ceramic coating is due to when the fuel is burned it turns back into water thus rusting your entire engine and exhaust. If this was possible it would be in use already. Just like doctors making claims of miracle cures from alternate types of medicine if they worked everyone would be cured of their ailments.
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05-01-08, 06:11 AM
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impervious to subtlety
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Gasoline produces water as it burns too, I think the issue with hydrogen supplimentation is hydrogen embrittlement and carbon leaching of the engine components.
__________________ [ ][ ]=TOYOTA=[ ][ ] 4 eyes > 2 eyes Member of the Peace Canyon Toyota Swamp Donkeys Creep Coalition |
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05-01-08, 07:19 AM
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ThinkTank Waterboy
Join Date: Mar 2003
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check out this guy
he has a 16 video document on his VSPB unit. I've been watching his stuff for a while and he's pretty damn thorough. __________________ Rick Bigelow '96 215k Groveland MA 01834 If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes |
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05-01-08, 10:42 AM
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IH8MUD Lifer
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I've been following this issue also. Most of the detail that's out there tells how HHO gas is combustable. It does not answer the question on how you need to tell the ECU to reduce the amount of gasoline that passes through the injecter.
Check out www.water4gas.com For $100, you can buy this book which details out how it's done. or wiki the following: Oxyhydrogen Water-fuelled car (skepical view point) Brown's gas (Yull Brown) |
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05-01-08, 11:46 AM
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IH8MUD Lifer
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05-01-08, 03:57 PM
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You want to do what...?
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some of you guys are really too funny....
yes, you can make hydrogen easily enough with water by electrolysis. Nothing to it. Unfortunately, the electrolysis process takes energy -not releasing it- and the efficiency is significantly below 100%. Typically, like 50-70% at room temperature. This is the amount of energy that could be generated by burning the produced hydrogen. The rest is lost as heat in the electrolysis cell. So you'd start, say with 100 units of gasoline energy, you'd make about 30 units or so of that as power by the engine to drive the alternator (the rest is lost as heat etc) which may give you something like 25 units (I'm guessing) of electrical energy which would make something like 15 units of energy worth of hydrogen, which you would then burn in the engine again like gasoline to get something like 5 units worth of power to the wheels... That's really great.... You now have lost 95% of the energy in the gasoline instead of the usual 70%....  but keep at it if it keeps you out of trouble... Also, there is no doubt whatsoever that if you disprove the first and/or second law of thermodynamics -which is basically what all these gizmos claim that they can do- that you'll instantly get multiple Nobel prizes. Of course, the Earth will instantly disappear -POOF!- at the same instant since life as we know it will no longer be possible... 
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05-01-08, 04:47 PM
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IH8MUD Lifer
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 No, I'm merely observing this science (all be it pseudo.) I'm one for scientific proof that it's going to work. There are so many questions that need to be answered and data to be observed before I believe this kind of wizardry. |
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05-01-08, 04:56 PM
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ThinkTank Waterboy
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The guy that I pointed to did a cell on a carburated car first. The idea is that the air/fuel ratio is consistent where or not the HHO has been introduced. He saw a 20% increase in MPG and ran several back to back tests.
So all you guys laughing at this please go to the link I posted and find his work on the Honda and please point out his flaws with evaluating the system he built. __________________ Rick Bigelow '96 215k Groveland MA 01834 If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes |
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05-01-08, 05:01 PM
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IH8MUD Lifer
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Rick,
The web site I saw was pedaling a larger increase than what you stated. I'll check it out. |
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05-01-08, 05:05 PM
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05-01-08, 05:26 PM
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ThinkTank Waterboy
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He's a long way from running an engine on straight HHO. There is one guy with a volvo who claims he has gotten an engine to idle on it. The big problem is that it burns so fast that the timing needs to be so far retarded that he had to remove the adjusting screw and force the distributor as far as he could by hand. As soon as he took his hand off the engine stalled. __________________ Rick Bigelow '96 215k Groveland MA 01834 If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes |
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05-01-08, 05:39 PM
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IH8MUD Regular
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Big oil tends to make go away? Funny, I remember in the '80's when Honda first came out with the CRX it was getting close to 50mpg. Now twenty-five years later high mileage is considered in the 30's Hmmmmm  Now like Rick said the guy is not selling anything. Not like the other guys that you have give them all of your date before they will even give you a quote on there so called PICC I found those HHO vids. really interesting, Hope he doesn't disappear! dave Last edited by fzjconvert; 05-01-08 at 05:51 PM. |
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05-01-08, 10:31 PM
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IH8MUD Lifer
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Hilux?? |
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05-02-08, 09:42 AM
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__________________ Pat Doyle 1994 White FZJ 80, CDL switch. rear winch hitch attachment .-SOLD 1996 White FZJ 80, seats 7,leathered up, CDL,Locked,LandTanks MAF.2" OME lift/Shocks. |
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05-02-08, 11:02 AM
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IH8MUD Regular
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Dave Mecca of Water4Gas: Live Car Demo |
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05-13-08, 08:26 AM
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IH8MUD Regular
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What's the verdict FZJConvert? How did it look in person?
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06-22-08, 06:47 PM
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IH8MUD Regular
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I am testing it on my 91 Isuzu, if it works, fine. If it does not improve the truck mileage, I just wasted a jar of tea that came from the recycle bin, a couple of nuts and bolts, total $10.00. Tomorrow I'll post some pics.
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