"PROJECT ROOBY" 80 all rounder build

cruiserdan · 03-05-08, 09:53 PM

Maroon, just like yours. Body colour flares tho.....At least the ones that are left.....

No forced feed as of yet but it is only March.......

C'm on, cough the goods up.......

landtank · 03-06-08, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ats4x4dotcom

Would love to see some pics of yours, or Landtanks flexed up, with the front working, without those CC bushes fitted, so we can see the difference between CC and what ever you guys recommend.

I have no way of accurately measuring or even comparing the two as I'm the only one local with Slee's 4" springs. Realistically I'd need to swap between the two on my truck to be sure we were seeing just the difference in the bushings. My thoughts on the restriction was based on your past posts along with Slee and others who have seen bracket fatigue and bushing failure with off road use. It's been considered here that the OEM bushings are better at flexing and are more durable and that was really the basis of my question.

I think it was FJBen who did an extensive eval on the front end components as far as what and how much the different pieces effected flex but I think it was all with stock bushings.

If your interested I think I still have my CAD drawings that show what I've called axle shift from pressing CC bushings in the traditional 1 up 1 down pattern. I might be able to colorize them to make them easier to view and they might be worth a look. I'm away on business and it wouldn't be until this weekend that I could post them.

ats4x4dotcom · 03-06-08, 05:17 AM

Cruiser Dan, if its not to much trouble, are you able to get me part No's for the body colored flare rubber section that fills the gap between the flare, and the steel panels?

I was thinking of color coding th flares, and was wondering how easy it would be to find the part No for these rubbers.

As soon as I know parts are shipping, i will let you know, see what we can get for you at the right price for

"princess rooby"

concretejungle · 03-06-08, 08:09 AM

can we just enjoy his build thread without constructively criticising every thing about it? Please!

FJBen · 03-06-08, 08:20 AM

Yeah Rick, I did a bunch of testing to get that front end to flex more. The "ONLY" way I could get it to max out an "L" shock was with the front pin pulled. With that pin pulled I could get MUCH more flex with a longer shock as well.

I"m not criticizing at all, I'm extremely interested in knowing how it was done. This is the kind of tech I love, so keep it up!

cruiserdan · 03-06-08, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ats4x4dotcom

Cruiser Dan, if its not to much trouble, are you able to get me part No's for the body colored flare rubber section that fills the gap between the flare, and the steel panels?

Front fenders (do you call them "wings" or "mud guards"?) 56852-60040-D0 x2

Rear quarters and doors, 61794-60030-D0 x4

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ats4x4dotcom · 03-06-08, 02:43 PM

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Front fenders (do you call them "wings" or "mud guards"?) 56852-60040-D0 x2

Rear quarters and doors, 61794-60030-D0 x4

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Thank you muchly,

we call them gaurds here normally, but given its a US list here, I try to use common words, and convert everything to inches, gallons, and mph, while trying not to get seeds of my bagel, or starbucks in the keyboard ....

ats4x4dotcom · 03-06-08, 02:47 PM

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can we just enjoy his build thread without constructively criticising every thing about it? Please!

Im with you

Now Im hoping they can start thier own vehicle pic /cc/axle centre line/ whats a good extreme tyre pressure thread, save them posting them all here.

Hopefully we can just ignore them now, see if they go away.

FJBen · 03-06-08, 02:48 PM

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Thank you muchly,

we call them gaurds here normally, but given its a US list here, I try to use common words, and convert everything to inches, gallons, and mph, while trying not to get seeds of my bagel, or starbucks in the keyboard ....

you forgot "tyres"

oh and extractors

Doc · 03-06-08, 03:00 PM

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you forgot "tyres"

oh and extractors

And spanners.

You guys have Starbucks there? I'm sorry.

Tapage · 03-06-08, 03:55 PM

ATS4x4DotCom .. can you share a pic with us of your control arm with your relocator bracket . ?

great proyect ..

ats4x4dotcom · 03-06-08, 06:17 PM

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you forgot "tyres"

oh and extractors

The message still gets through ok on "tyres" vs "tires" I think

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Originally Posted by Doc

And spanners.

You guys have Starbucks there? I'm sorry.

We do, and Gloria Jeans, but It needs to be good coffee for me, so I couldnt tell you what thier coffee tastes like

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Originally Posted by Tapage

ATS4x4DotCom .. can you share a pic with us of your control arm with your relocator bracket . ?

great proyect ..

I am fitting them after registration on Tue, so will post the details and pics.

ats4x4dotcom · 03-10-08, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FJBen

Yeah Rick, I did a bunch of testing to get that front end to flex more. The "ONLY" way I could get it to max out an "L" shock was with the front pin pulled. With that pin pulled I could get MUCH more flex with a longer shock as well.

I"m not criticizing at all, I'm extremely interested in knowing how it was done. This is the kind of tech I love, so keep it up!

One of the ways the articulation can be improved in the front is this Dobbin x link below, one link centre holding the diff in place, and not sure how it drives on road as yet, but is part of the creative thought process, along with the bottom pic, to see what we can come up with.

and another design that is working on patrols by putting more leverage over the bushes to flex,

Just some flex food for thought, while I get it registered today, and can get on with some work, and updates.

FJBen · 03-10-08, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ats4x4dotcom

One of the ways the articulation can be improved in the front is this Dobbin x link below, one link centre holding the diff in place, and not sure how it drives on road as yet, but is part of the creative thought process, along with the bottom pic, to see what we can come up with.

and another design that is working on patrols by putting more leverage over the bushes to flex,

Just some flex food for thought, while I get it registered today, and can get on with some work, and updates.

I've seen the x-link...it's a big of an ugly contraption but looks like it works.

The other link is very interesting...I'd like to see some results on that

alkaline747trio · 03-10-08, 04:58 PM

OK, I'm hooked....I want everything on that truck, but can you make 40's fit? When you get all this stuff figured out, and if you think you could get 40's to work I would buy it all in a second!!

ats4x4dotcom · 03-10-08, 05:30 PM

I have some 39.5 x 16.6/17 Pit Bull Rockers we will make fit at some stage, so we are planning around this size tyre.

Looking at going 17 x 12" rims.

alkaline747trio · 03-10-08, 05:33 PM

That is the EXACT tire I want to run.....you have me glued.

landtank · 03-10-08, 05:49 PM

It will be interesting to see those choices in action. I think it's going to take some thing like that or a 3 link for you to realize the potential of the shock and spring design.

The X-link looks God awful expensive though.

concretejungle · 03-10-08, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by landtank

The X-link looks God awful expensive though.

yea it does. There has to be a less bulky way to achieve that?

ats4x4dotcom · 03-10-08, 09:16 PM

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yea it does. There has to be a less bulky way to achieve that?

The X link looks like it will work ok, and at $650 Aus, I wouldnt say it was very dear at all, but, as you have asked, thats why we are working on it, and if we can make the droop work, because I dont mind driving fast in the desert, so lots of up travel to control the landing has to be good, without the car tripping over a wheel on steep downhills, as well as make it articulate, without all the bulk of an x link, then we will be getting some where.

But we are starting at the start, with the shock length that works, coil that works, rate that works, and we will keep mixing it up, as we go, report what we find, and push onto the next mod

FirstToy · 03-10-08, 09:36 PM

Ok, my post & Darren's that was deleted by Romer has nothing to do with the piss party- it was a silly innuendo on "rooby"- I respect Romer's wanting to keep it on topic.

Darren, wow, the suspension stuff looks wild! How are you making those control arms? CNC like the SLEE6 control arms?

ats4x4dotcom · 03-10-08, 10:07 PM

Once I settle on a design, we may go 40mm bisalloy plate laser cut, rather than the expense of cnc.

I do have another design in the back of my head, which has a swivel in each arm also, a bit like a J arm, and a heim jointed 2nd pivot.

We do have an 80 chassised truck that has a 4 link front with swivels, which uses a 14" stroke fox shock very well in the front, and rear, but to much hassle to look at, at the moment.

The other idea i have in my head is a double heim jointed diff end, with rubber bush at chassis end, to stop noise transfer, but I havent put a model together on the bench and cycled any of these yet, only in idea incubation, right now.

FJBen · 03-11-08, 08:15 AM

That second set of arms is reminding me of the Early Bronco arms slightly.

Could you just run some longer arms to help with the flex? I"m assuming that would help you gain some flex without completely redesigning the suspension.

I agree a good spring/shock combo is first. Without a spring that can handle the droop/stuff it's just not going to work as good.

alkaline747trio · 03-11-08, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by landtank

not a bad price for what you seem to get

2 new leading arms
brackets for left ,right and center of the axle
the front piece with joints

how do you take care of the interference problem with the drag link?

I don't think there is any interference, this seemed to be a pretty issue free install...the only problem I remember with this over a 3-link is that you still have those control arms hanging way the hell down. A pair of super flexy control arms that could be flipped to the top of the axle is what I'm waiting for.

landtank · 03-11-08, 08:53 AM

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I don't think there is any interference,

I was just going by the picture and it's at an angle that's hard to really judge there. Still at that price I'm surprised Slee or someone else hasn't offered them, or are they?

concretejungle · 03-11-08, 09:24 AM

you think that price includes the arms? Wow, that says something right there.

FJBen · 03-11-08, 09:42 AM

I'm pretty sure that X-link is installed with factory arms.

I know of a few homebrew installs that do.

Corbet · 03-11-08, 09:43 AM

here's a pair of pictures of the X-Link installed for those asking about interference. AU spec Hilux.

FJBen · 03-11-08, 10:27 AM

btw: if anyone can get an X-link into the US, I'd test it out

alkaline747trio · 03-11-08, 10:30 AM

I followed the whole X-link thing when it first showed it's head back a while ago, looked good but it seems like most people who would do that much to the front of an 80 would go ahead and get rid of the stock system and 3-link it, because I don't think that price was with arms, and that is still a heafty price when you really get into pricing a home-brew 3-link.